EPTIf he said he was in a decent spot, then he was. His money must have been higher than we thought or something like that.
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
If he said he was in a decent spot, then he was. His money must have been higher than we thought or something like that. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
... Or else he has never tried how it's like to play starcraft in a cold room... | ||
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laguu
Finland278 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Too bad excuses don't win championships. You either win or you don't. Everything else is irrelevant. Jaedong was the better player that day and he won. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Flash had better builds, and played better than Jaedong, and he won. This time Jaedong had better builds, played just as good if not better than Flash, and won. | ||
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Soulfly
Sweden19 Posts
On January 29 2010 06:19 laguu wrote: Flash is such a tough professional. You mean a rough professional ;-) He would gain more respect if he admitted that he got outplayed by JD in that final. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On January 29 2010 06:31 Soulfly wrote: You mean a rough professional ;-) He would gain more respect if he admitted that he got outplayed by JD in that final. I hope you don't mean that 100% seriously -_- | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:11 ahole-surprise wrote: I can't help but like Flash a lot less now after seeing so many of these terribly irrational and biased fanboys coming out of the woodwork. I've never seen so much impassioned unjustified whining in any sport, and I watch a lot of sports. Flash had cold hands, Flash had a mental breakdown in game 4, wah wah wah wah wah. For the 100th time of someone saying this in the thread, you clearly have never tried to play with cold hands. I am a freaking C- Protoss with 250 apm, and much of it being reptitive (so eapm far lower), and EVEN THEN playing when my hands are cold hinders my control and multitasking greatly. Now imagine that you are a 330 apm terran playing against the best damn zerg ever. It is a serious handicap. Obviously his mental breakdown in game 4 just means there are limits on his mental preparation, and he lost. He even mentioned later in the interview he shouldn't blame his game 4 loss on that like he did earlier in the interview. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:28 EtherealDeath wrote: For the 100th time of someone saying this in the thread, you clearly have never tried to play with cold hands. I am a freaking C- Protoss with 250 apm, and much of it being reptitive (so eapm far lower), and EVEN THEN playing when my hands are cold hinders my control and multitasking greatly. Now imagine that you are a 330 apm terran playing against the best damn zerg ever. It is a serious handicap. Obviously his mental breakdown in game 4 just means there are limits on his mental preparation, and he lost. He even mentioned later in the interview he shouldn't blame his game 4 loss on that like he did earlier in the interview. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jaedong also not have a heater in game 1? Nevertheless, my issue is less with Flash feeling these things impeded his game and more with how Flash fans are using these reasons to delegitimize the entire finals. It also doesn't help that these reasons are flimsy at best. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On January 29 2010 06:31 Soulfly wrote: You mean a rough professional ;-) He would gain more respect if he admitted that he got outplayed by JD in that final. Progamers in general never admit they were outplayed. Its always "I've disappointed my fans blah blah blah I will win next time" | ||
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cz
United States3249 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:36 ahole-surprise wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jaedong also not have a heater in game 1? Nevertheless, my issue is less with Flash feeling these things impeded his game and more with how Flash fans are using these reasons to delegitimize the entire finals. It also doesn't help that these reasons are flimsy at best. lol, it's not cold hands that have de-legitimized the finals. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:36 ahole-surprise wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Jaedong also not have a heater in game 1? Nevertheless, my issue is less with Flash feeling these things impeded his game and more with how Flash fans are using these reasons to delegitimize the entire finals. It also doesn't help that these reasons are flimsy at best. If the conditions in the finals really sucked, then it is fair to point that out. "flimsy at best" srsly? I admit that I´m a flash fan but again cold hands really has an effect. afaik JD had to play in the same conditions, but the competition should be about the game, not about which player can keep their hands warm in crappy conditions better. There´s always gonna be some outside factors but that was avoidable and stupid by the organizers. And you could clearly see how the whole mess with mbc, kespa, kt coaches and his father affected his play. Flash didn´t say he would´ve won had the conditions been better or that JD didn´t play better. But the finals is over now, JD is the MSL champion(deservedly) and that´s that. But "...these terribly irrational and biased fanboys coming out of the woodwork. I've never seen so much impassioned unjustified whining..." is damn inaccurate | ||
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amoeba
United States283 Posts
They both played an excellent series from my perspective, Jaedong with fantastic preparation and Flash with some excellent on the spot thinking especially in game two. Lets just hope we get to see these guys play again soon. Also, the fact that they are friends will only serve to motivate both to raise their game and hopefully take starcraft to new heights. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On January 29 2010 07:51 cz wrote: lol, it's not cold hands that have de-legitimized the finals. I can't read minds so you need to clarify what has made the finals illegitimate, in your eyes. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:15 amoeba wrote: Jaedong won deservedly and Flash has the right to feel what he feels. The 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive. I never said they were mutually exclusive. | ||
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ahole-surprise
United States813 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:10 11cc wrote: If the conditions in the finals really sucked, then it is fair to point that out. "flimsy at best" srsly? I admit that I´m a flash fan but again cold hands really has an effect. afaik JD had to play in the same conditions, but the competition should be about the game, not about which player can keep their hands warm in crappy conditions better. There´s always gonna be some outside factors but that was avoidable and stupid by the organizers. And you could clearly see how the whole mess with mbc, kespa, kt coaches and his father affected his play. Flash didn´t say he would´ve won had the conditions been better or that JD didn´t play better. But the finals is over now, JD is the MSL champion(deservedly) and that´s that. But "...these terribly irrational and biased fanboys coming out of the woodwork. I've never seen so much impassioned unjustified whining..." is damn inaccurate Well, some of the posting that I saw in some of the other threads were pretty irrational in the sense that people were saying it was the wrong decision to give JD game three based on how much ahead he was, on a terran favored map, with a specially designed strategy for that map. The only other option was to regame, which would've been much more unfair to JD than it was unfair to Flash to give the game to JD. Despite this, people were vehemently arguing that KESPA made the wrong decision. You can blame MSL for having a shit set up, you can blame KESPA for taking so long, but you can't blame them for the decision. Unfortunately, people are blaming KESPA for the decision, and to many fans this was an explicitly stated or implicit reason to call the finals illegitmate. And I never said the conditions of the finals really sucked. All I know is that both players, as far as I know, had no heater in game 1, and thus to use this an excuse for Flash and call the finals illegitimate is pretty shitty. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
On January 29 2010 06:30 Tien wrote: When Jaedong got face smashed by Flash in the OSL round of 8, all these idiotic Jaedong fanboys were insulting Flash and coming up with excuse after excuse for losing. Flash had better builds, and played better than Jaedong, and he won. This time Jaedong had better builds, played just as good if not better than Flash, and won. Idiot or troll, which one is it? I can barely tell in these threads. | ||
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
On January 29 2010 08:27 ahole-surprise wrote: Well, some of the posting that I saw in some of the other threads were pretty irrational in the sense that people were saying it was the wrong decision to give JD game three based on how much ahead he was, on a terran favored map, with a specially designed strategy for that map. The only other option was to regame, which would've been much more unfair to JD than it was unfair to Flash to give the game to JD. Despite this, people were vehemently arguing that KESPA made the wrong decision. You can blame MSL for having a shit set up, you can blame KESPA for taking so long, but you can't blame them for the decision. Unfortunately, people are blaming KESPA for the decision, and to many fans this was an explicitly stated or implicit reason to call the finals illegitmate. And I never said the conditions of the finals really sucked. All I know is that both players, as far as I know, had no heater in game 1, and thus to use this an excuse for Flash and call the finals illegitimate is pretty shitty. It was really hard for me too, to accept as a person who loves competitive StarCraft that a game can be decided like that. It would´ve been unfair to play a regame, but to some people including me it´s like a holy rule that game can only be decided by the other guy saying gg or being eliminated. But kespa had to choose from 2 crappy options so I don´t wwant to whine about that. And before we got the vod and had time to study it, ofcourse it wasn´t that clear to everyone how big of an advantage JD had. | ||
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