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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
January 27 2010 07:36 GMT
#261
On January 27 2010 16:29 We Are Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 16:16 tomatriedes wrote:
So Jaedong had a heater and Flash didn't?
If both of them were playing without heaters then, I'm sorry, but using it as an excuse for losing when the other player was under the same conditions is complete and utter BS.
the studio was designed to let the players play at the best, even if they both didnt have heaters its fucked up. thats like saying if they suddenly decided to use an aircon in winter that a player shouldnt complain because both players were in the same playing conditions.


You need to learn to read my friend. It's fucked up, but it can't be used as an excuse for one player's loss to another.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 27 2010 08:42 GMT
#262
On January 27 2010 16:36 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 16:29 We Are Here wrote:
On January 27 2010 16:16 tomatriedes wrote:
So Jaedong had a heater and Flash didn't?
If both of them were playing without heaters then, I'm sorry, but using it as an excuse for losing when the other player was under the same conditions is complete and utter BS.
the studio was designed to let the players play at the best, even if they both didnt have heaters its fucked up. thats like saying if they suddenly decided to use an aircon in winter that a player shouldnt complain because both players were in the same playing conditions.


You need to learn to read my friend. It's fucked up, but it can't be used as an excuse for one player's loss to another.

yes it can, some people deal with things differently. its supposed to be about who is the better player, not who deals with adverse conditions the best.
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 27 2010 08:45 GMT
#263
On January 27 2010 16:36 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 16:29 We Are Here wrote:
On January 27 2010 16:16 tomatriedes wrote:
So Jaedong had a heater and Flash didn't?
If both of them were playing without heaters then, I'm sorry, but using it as an excuse for losing when the other player was under the same conditions is complete and utter BS.
the studio was designed to let the players play at the best, even if they both didnt have heaters its fucked up. thats like saying if they suddenly decided to use an aircon in winter that a player shouldnt complain because both players were in the same playing conditions.


You need to learn to read my friend. It's fucked up, but it can't be used as an excuse for one player's loss to another.
yes he can, if he thinks thats why he lost why cant he say that. what do u want him to say, JD plays better with cold hands than i do? besides he said that and being nervous caused him to lose in a disappointing fashion, not implying that he wouldve won if his hands werent cold
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okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
January 27 2010 08:52 GMT
#264
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.
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We Are Here
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Australia1810 Posts
January 27 2010 08:55 GMT
#265
On January 27 2010 17:52 okum wrote:
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.
what the... rofl
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nonduc
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation405 Posts
January 27 2010 09:06 GMT
#266
On January 27 2010 17:52 okum wrote:
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.

wow! the true scientifical analysis of a situation!
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piratebay
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States399 Posts
January 27 2010 09:11 GMT
#267
On January 27 2010 11:48 IdrA wrote:
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On January 27 2010 09:53 underscore wrote:
I like how Flash blames the 3rd game for losing the 4th in the 1st question and in the 3rd question says that he doesn't. I also like how cold hands is the number #1 excuse in korea.
But yeah great interview and Flash is just the best so manner and mature I just wanna kiss his sexy lips.

cold hands is a perfectly valid excuse, try playing at 350 apm with stiff fingers


tell that to jaedong. he was in the same booth, but his muta micro seemed good nonetheless.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33710 Posts
January 27 2010 09:16 GMT
#268
On January 27 2010 17:52 okum wrote:
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.


I thought that was exceptionally clever :o
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MasterDana
Profile Joined March 2008
United States114 Posts
January 27 2010 09:23 GMT
#269
Very interesting interview. Glad Flash wasn't beating around the bush, and was trying to be honest. <:
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
January 27 2010 09:23 GMT
#270
On January 27 2010 18:11 piratebay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2010 11:48 IdrA wrote:
On January 27 2010 09:53 underscore wrote:
I like how Flash blames the 3rd game for losing the 4th in the 1st question and in the 3rd question says that he doesn't. I also like how cold hands is the number #1 excuse in korea.
But yeah great interview and Flash is just the best so manner and mature I just wanna kiss his sexy lips.

cold hands is a perfectly valid excuse, try playing at 350 apm with stiff fingers


tell that to jaedong. he was in the same booth, but his muta micro seemed good nonetheless.

well again people respond to conditions differently but muta micro is far more about mouse movement which is mostly generated by the wrist, which doesnt get stiff from the cold nearly as much as the smaller joints in the fingers. its keyboard mechanics that really suffer with cold hands.
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50bani
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Romania480 Posts
January 27 2010 09:51 GMT
#271
It is his fault for not wearing a parka. A lot of progamers use them(even Jaedong?) and it works well once you get used to it. If you keep the core temperature high, your body will eventually send more blood to the hands, and keep them warm. Kinda like how eskimos do a lot of work without gloves in freezing temperatures. "Practice" playing in the cold, wearing a parka!
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
January 27 2010 09:53 GMT
#272
one of the best interviews imo... i heart flash

thanks mr. hoon.
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
January 27 2010 10:19 GMT
#273
On January 27 2010 17:52 okum wrote:
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.


hahahahahaha
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Bwenjarin Raffrack
Profile Joined November 2008
United States322 Posts
January 27 2010 10:25 GMT
#274
That Flash didn't suck it up and come back ready for game four shows he didn't have the heart of a champion? I'd give this viewpoint slightly more credence than none if the adversities had anything to do with Starcraft, but they didn't. This wasn't the same as any other come-from-behind situation and claiming it was is absurd.

If anything, what's most impressive about Flash's mentality and manner from this interview is that he took his loss of game four in stride. I'm glad he's moved on.

Thanks again for the translation, MrHoon, and the update, Wax.
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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
January 27 2010 11:18 GMT
#275
On January 27 2010 17:52 okum wrote:
Turtles, being cold-blooded, need an external heat source to adjust their body temperature to optimal levels. Jaedong, being a bird of prey, is decidedly warm-blooded.


Rick James: That was COLD BLOODED!
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FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-27 12:23:46
January 27 2010 12:22 GMT
#276
Not a big fan of flash. The interview is candid, but he doesn't really accept that he lost or move on. "cold hands"... Jaedong dealt with it.

When NBA teams have to deal with a bad call they don't usually blame it for everything in interviews afterwards.
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 27 2010 12:38 GMT
#277
On January 27 2010 04:47 Little-Chimp wrote:
Where did fantasy say the refs made the right call?

I'd like to know this too. Did I miss an interview?
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Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
January 27 2010 13:26 GMT
#278
On January 27 2010 19:25 Bwenjarin Raffrack wrote:
That Flash didn't suck it up and come back ready for game four shows he didn't have the heart of a champion? I'd give this viewpoint slightly more credence than none if the adversities had anything to do with Starcraft, but they didn't.


Basically, yes. Or no. Maybe. It just means he is less likely to win a lot of leagues if he can not cope with outside conditions not being optimal.
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
January 27 2010 13:34 GMT
#279
On January 27 2010 21:22 FieryBalrog wrote:
Not a big fan of flash. The interview is candid, but he doesn't really accept that he lost or move on. "cold hands"... Jaedong dealt with it.

When NBA teams have to deal with a bad call they don't usually blame it for everything in interviews afterwards.


The difference is that in any other professional sport referee calls, even bad ones, are handled professionally and swiftly. What happened at the MSL was a complete farce.
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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
January 27 2010 14:32 GMT
#280
I can understand why flash feels that way, that's for sure. And i hate to play with frozen hands, that's just hard and he being nervous doesn't make it easier at all. Well a good final like this and it ends like a total failure, imo. Well i hope Jaedong and Flash will play each other in any other league/tournament in the finals, hope for a good series then.
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