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Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
January 24 2010 17:38 GMT
#41
I changed my german sc to english hotkeys years ago before getting an english copy of sc finally. The english terran hotkeys are much better O.o

My take on it is, if you can be arsed to do it, I guess go ahead, I just hope it never becomes a simple process :D

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Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
January 24 2010 18:02 GMT
#42
Lol, i've had P on my mousewheel for so long i sometimes find myself using it to type
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CoL_Fuehrer
Profile Joined August 2009
Russian Federation124 Posts
January 24 2010 18:09 GMT
#43
Is it illegal to bang my penis on the keyboard after i lose ?
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 24 2010 18:21 GMT
#44
On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals)



<3 you.

Anyway, nobody but koreans gives a shit about remapping keys.
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GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
January 24 2010 18:34 GMT
#45
It's interesting how the outlook on key remapping has changed over the years. Currently people don't really care that much but it used to be a lot more controversial.

2004
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=13129
On April 27 2004 03:32 hasuwar wrote:
Here's how I look at this: Do you think they'd let you take a program into WCG to modify the game so you could play in some special way so you only have to press 2 keys to do everything? No.

As for my personal opinion, I DO think this is a 3rd party program..how could you not? It's editing the game files to let you play an easier and different way than it should be played. I think it's gay, and anyone who would use something like it to be a fag.

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maitrecarotte
Profile Joined January 2010
16 Posts
January 24 2010 18:35 GMT
#46
On January 25 2010 03:02 Ao_Jun wrote:
Lol, i've had P on my mousewheel for so long i sometimes find myself using it to type

lol, same thing for zerg U

btw i now have custom hotkeys and i use it on iccup. Dont really know if it is prohibited, but i havent recieved any warnings yet. Well, im noob, guess nobody cares about it

I know two ways of changing hotkeys and I can share them if someone wants me to
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eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
January 24 2010 18:36 GMT
#47
why would it be illegal in an RTS?

not like it's going to make it easier???? Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.
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illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
January 24 2010 18:37 GMT
#48
I believe it should be legal.

Also, WC3 has native custom hotkey support. I am pretty sure SC2 will have it too.
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maitrecarotte
Profile Joined January 2010
16 Posts
January 24 2010 18:39 GMT
#49
Ye, getting overlords when you desperately need them or getting million scourges because of some lag issues is best hotkey positioning i could ever imagine
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 24 2010 18:40 GMT
#50
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.
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Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 24 2010 18:41 GMT
#51
day[9] just said it was legal on WCG...

just use it if you want its not like you can get caught right?
Nony is Bonjwa
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 24 2010 18:43 GMT
#52
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best
Nony is Bonjwa
Aux
Profile Joined April 2009
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-25 00:36:25
January 25 2010 00:35 GMT
#53
On January 25 2010 03:43 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best

Yet using
QWE
ASD
ZXC

Will cover every hotkey without having to move your left hand.

I'm don't think the hotkeys were intricately designed when they decided to place P on the opposite side of A, when you try to muta micro it gets very challenging.
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leejas
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States440 Posts
January 25 2010 00:37 GMT
#54
Legal in IcCup without a hacker type program (possibly a driver or or keyboard remapper on your OS)
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
January 25 2010 00:57 GMT
#55
this was definitely discussed before and last time the consensus was not legal...
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TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 25 2010 23:45 GMT
#56
On January 25 2010 09:35 Aux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:43 Nal_rAwr wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best

Yet using
QWE
ASD
ZXC

Will cover every hotkey without having to move your left hand.

I'm don't think the hotkeys were intricately designed when they decided to place P on the opposite side of A, when you try to muta micro it gets very challenging.

Yeah, this. If P is strategically optimal, Elastigirl is working at Blizzard. Or maybe it's because "patrol" starts with a P.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Aurra
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States469 Posts
January 26 2010 00:58 GMT
#57
I remapped all my keys to QWEASDZXC for all 3 races based on the location of the ability/action/unit on the UI "grid". I don't even remember what the default Starcraft hotkeys are.

I could upload it somewhere to save people time if there's enough interest.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
January 26 2010 01:14 GMT
#58
I think the OP's question has already been answered. Custom hotkeys are legal because they are undetectable. If you think it gives you an unfair advantage, you're right to an extent, but that's a moral judgement you need to make for yourself.

I think that getting rid of keyboard delay is a more important issue. If my keyboard didn't have it, I could go from C to B+ (hyperbole).
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
January 26 2010 03:10 GMT
#59
On January 24 2010 15:38 Aux wrote:
Like using 'Q' instead of 'P' for probe construction.

I bet i could get like A+ if this was allowed. P is such an annoyance
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FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
January 26 2010 06:10 GMT
#60
Why are so many people saying "if you aren't playing on LAN, then no one can tell"? I don't know much about competitive SC, nor do I play a whole lot (relatively new interest for me), but anti-cheat programs for almost every other game monitor every single keypress you make. I worked as an anti-cheat admin for CAL, and knew a lot about ESEA/CAL/CEVO anti-cheat programs (in reference to FPS games like CS1.6, CSS, DoD, DoDS, etc.), and they definitely know if you rebind keys. In fact, key bindings sometimes came into play (much play hotkeys do in StarCraft) to verify the identity of players to ensure that people weren't ringing for other teams.

I may be completely out of line, but I would hope that the ICCUP anti-cheat could easily log these things.
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