• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:58
CEST 16:58
KST 23:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)67ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo31Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Is the larve respawn broken? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Mizenhauer's Douyu Cup Preview ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK #4 20-21th June
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Farewell Beloved Starcraft (Youtube Videos) ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ?
Tourneys
[ASL21] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread [H]Internet/Gaming Cafe Tips and Tricks
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Facing Challenges in Mobile App Development
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6815 users

Are Custom Hotkeys Legal on Iccup? - Page 3

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Armathai
Profile Joined October 2007
1023 Posts
January 24 2010 17:38 GMT
#41
I changed my german sc to english hotkeys years ago before getting an english copy of sc finally. The english terran hotkeys are much better O.o

My take on it is, if you can be arsed to do it, I guess go ahead, I just hope it never becomes a simple process :D

Looking for ArcticCerebrate formerly from @USEast
Ao_Jun
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Denmark396 Posts
January 24 2010 18:02 GMT
#42
Lol, i've had P on my mousewheel for so long i sometimes find myself using it to type
you are one of the least benigtedly unintelligent organic life forms it has been my profound lack of pleasure not to be able to avoid meeting.
CoL_Fuehrer
Profile Joined August 2009
Russian Federation124 Posts
January 24 2010 18:09 GMT
#43
Is it illegal to bang my penis on the keyboard after i lose ?
LZGamer "I can get better at starcraft anytime but as for Idra he cannot change his face"
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
January 24 2010 18:21 GMT
#44
On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals)



<3 you.

Anyway, nobody but koreans gives a shit about remapping keys.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
GogoKodo
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Canada1785 Posts
January 24 2010 18:34 GMT
#45
It's interesting how the outlook on key remapping has changed over the years. Currently people don't really care that much but it used to be a lot more controversial.

2004
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=13129
On April 27 2004 03:32 hasuwar wrote:
Here's how I look at this: Do you think they'd let you take a program into WCG to modify the game so you could play in some special way so you only have to press 2 keys to do everything? No.

As for my personal opinion, I DO think this is a 3rd party program..how could you not? It's editing the game files to let you play an easier and different way than it should be played. I think it's gay, and anyone who would use something like it to be a fag.

twitter: @terrancem
maitrecarotte
Profile Joined January 2010
16 Posts
January 24 2010 18:35 GMT
#46
On January 25 2010 03:02 Ao_Jun wrote:
Lol, i've had P on my mousewheel for so long i sometimes find myself using it to type

lol, same thing for zerg U

btw i now have custom hotkeys and i use it on iccup. Dont really know if it is prohibited, but i havent recieved any warnings yet. Well, im noob, guess nobody cares about it

I know two ways of changing hotkeys and I can share them if someone wants me to
Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.
eXNewB
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada291 Posts
January 24 2010 18:36 GMT
#47
why would it be illegal in an RTS?

not like it's going to make it easier???? Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.
THERES NO WAY HE CAN STOP THOSE HYDRAS!
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
January 24 2010 18:37 GMT
#48
I believe it should be legal.

Also, WC3 has native custom hotkey support. I am pretty sure SC2 will have it too.
:]
maitrecarotte
Profile Joined January 2010
16 Posts
January 24 2010 18:39 GMT
#49
Ye, getting overlords when you desperately need them or getting million scourges because of some lag issues is best hotkey positioning i could ever imagine
Whatever is done for love always occurs beyond good and evil.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 24 2010 18:40 GMT
#50
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 24 2010 18:41 GMT
#51
day[9] just said it was legal on WCG...

just use it if you want its not like you can get caught right?
Nony is Bonjwa
Nal_rAwr
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2611 Posts
January 24 2010 18:43 GMT
#52
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best
Nony is Bonjwa
Aux
Profile Joined April 2009
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-25 00:36:25
January 25 2010 00:35 GMT
#53
On January 25 2010 03:43 Nal_rAwr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best

Yet using
QWE
ASD
ZXC

Will cover every hotkey without having to move your left hand.

I'm don't think the hotkeys were intricately designed when they decided to place P on the opposite side of A, when you try to muta micro it gets very challenging.
StarCraft 2: Auxtron.961
leejas
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States440 Posts
January 25 2010 00:37 GMT
#54
Legal in IcCup without a hacker type program (possibly a driver or or keyboard remapper on your OS)
duckett
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States589 Posts
January 25 2010 00:57 GMT
#55
this was definitely discussed before and last time the consensus was not legal...
funky squaredance funky squaredance funky squaredance
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 25 2010 23:45 GMT
#56
On January 25 2010 09:35 Aux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 03:43 Nal_rAwr wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:40 TheBB wrote:
On January 25 2010 03:36 eXNewB wrote:
Blizzard most likely looked into the best positioning to put their keys for each race.

No they didn't, they just use the first letter of the command, unless there are collisions.

no he's right the keys are strategically placed...
hotkeys weren't just randomly assigned half-assed.. they probably spent quite a bit of time on which hotkeys were the best

Yet using
QWE
ASD
ZXC

Will cover every hotkey without having to move your left hand.

I'm don't think the hotkeys were intricately designed when they decided to place P on the opposite side of A, when you try to muta micro it gets very challenging.

Yeah, this. If P is strategically optimal, Elastigirl is working at Blizzard. Or maybe it's because "patrol" starts with a P.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
Aurra
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States469 Posts
January 26 2010 00:58 GMT
#57
I remapped all my keys to QWEASDZXC for all 3 races based on the location of the ability/action/unit on the UI "grid". I don't even remember what the default Starcraft hotkeys are.

I could upload it somewhere to save people time if there's enough interest.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
January 26 2010 01:14 GMT
#58
I think the OP's question has already been answered. Custom hotkeys are legal because they are undetectable. If you think it gives you an unfair advantage, you're right to an extent, but that's a moral judgement you need to make for yourself.

I think that getting rid of keyboard delay is a more important issue. If my keyboard didn't have it, I could go from C to B+ (hyperbole).
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5536 Posts
January 26 2010 03:10 GMT
#59
On January 24 2010 15:38 Aux wrote:
Like using 'Q' instead of 'P' for probe construction.

I bet i could get like A+ if this was allowed. P is such an annoyance
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
FreshNoThyme
Profile Joined March 2008
United States356 Posts
January 26 2010 06:10 GMT
#60
Why are so many people saying "if you aren't playing on LAN, then no one can tell"? I don't know much about competitive SC, nor do I play a whole lot (relatively new interest for me), but anti-cheat programs for almost every other game monitor every single keypress you make. I worked as an anti-cheat admin for CAL, and knew a lot about ESEA/CAL/CEVO anti-cheat programs (in reference to FPS games like CS1.6, CSS, DoD, DoDS, etc.), and they definitely know if you rebind keys. In fact, key bindings sometimes came into play (much play hotkeys do in StarCraft) to verify the identity of players to ensure that people weren't ringing for other teams.

I may be completely out of line, but I would hope that the ICCUP anti-cheat could easily log these things.
Prev 1 2 3 4 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Douyu Cup 2020
05:00
2026 - Day 2
Neeb vs Impact
MacSed vs Cyan
Scarlett vs Kelazhur
INnoVation vs Dear
Rex77
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
LamboSC2 711
elazer 155
ProTech147
Rex 77
SHIN 66
trigger 31
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 30858
Shuttle 1470
Jaedong 1445
Light 1170
Soulkey 716
EffOrt 567
BeSt 551
Soma 468
ggaemo 349
Snow 277
[ Show more ]
hero 159
Rush 134
Mong 133
Zeus 94
Sharp 66
Pusan 49
Hm[arnc] 47
Mind 34
JYJ 31
ToSsGirL 29
PianO 23
Terrorterran 21
HiyA 20
Rock 14
GoRush 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 11
yabsab 10
Noble 10
Sacsri 9
Dota 2
qojqva1329
420jenkins187
League of Legends
JimRising 453
Counter-Strike
edward45
Other Games
singsing3548
hiko1068
B2W.Neo887
Lowko669
zeus577
crisheroes303
DeMusliM212
Hui .210
Sick205
FrodaN170
KnowMe114
QueenE74
Mew2King69
djWHEAT64
Fuzer 58
Trikslyr11
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream14961
Other Games
BasetradeTV196
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 116
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 11 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4244
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
1h 2m
Jumy vs eGGz
Harstem vs sebesdes
TriGGeR vs HeRoMaRinE
Douyu Cup 2020
14h 2m
Maestros of the Game
21h 32m
herO vs Classic
Maru vs Serral
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
23h 2m
Douyu Cup 2020
1d 14h
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
1d 23h
Online Event
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
4 days
Bombastic Starleague
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
OSC
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Bombastic Starleague
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSCL: Masked Kings S4
WardiTV Spring 2026
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Douyu Cup 2026
Maestros of the Game 2
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.