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Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
On January 24 2010 16:09 SuperKiller wrote:
speaking of, I wonder why nobody made a program to remap keys easily. I remember seeing how it was done years ago, but haven't seen anything since.
If it was more widespread, I don't see why it would be a problem.
Yeah, Keycraft was released several patches ago, but I don't think it was ever updated. I do believe there were manual instructions on how to do it floating around somewhere.
Anyways, it only modifies local files, there is no way for iccup or anyone else to tell if your hotkeys are modified.
On the morality of it, different versions of the game that come in different languages have different hotkey shortcuts. ie, if I were playing someone with a German version, many of our keyboard shortcuts would be different, even for the same race.
TBH, I modified mine YEARS ago - I moved both Probe and Pylon from 'P' to 'S'. This was not to gain any inherent advantage, but simply because I play random, and it's 10x less aggravating to be able to play all three races in similar fashion (ie, I can hit B - S as both T or P to get a depot/pylon, and hover my fingers over the 'S' + 'D' keys at the start of every game to ensure my initial worker is built).
If I played one race exclusively I wouldn't bother changing anything though. I also don't really play competitively on iccup or at LANs, so from a recreational POV I don't really see any issues with it.
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Well, I just think it would be best if I didn't use them, it seems like such a scant minority of people would know how to bind keys so it'd be a huge advantage.
I kind of would like to be on an equal playing ground, then again I would like more comfortable keys and to prepare for Starcraft 2.
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On January 24 2010 16:37 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 16:09 SuperKiller wrote:
speaking of, I wonder why nobody made a program to remap keys easily. I remember seeing how it was done years ago, but haven't seen anything since.
If it was more widespread, I don't see why it would be a problem. Yeah, Keycraft was released several patches ago, but I don't think it was ever updated. I do believe there were manual instructions on how to do it floating around somewhere. Anyways, it only modifies local files, there is no way for iccup or anyone else to tell if your hotkeys are modified. On the morality of it, different versions of the game that come in different languages have different hotkey shortcuts. ie, if I were playing someone with a German version, many of our keyboard shortcuts would be different, even for the same race. TBH, I modified mine YEARS ago - I moved both Probe and Pylon from 'P' to 'S'. This was not to gain any inherent advantage, but simply because I play random, and it's 10x less aggravating to be able to play all three races in similar fashion (ie, I can hit B - S as both T or P to get a depot/pylon, and hover my fingers over the 'S' + 'D' keys at the start of every game to ensure my initial worker is built). If I played one race exclusively I wouldn't bother changing anything though. I also don't really play competitively on iccup or at LANs, so from a recreational POV I don't really see any issues with it.
Well I do play competitively but I don't feel like I will be able to attend any LANs for BW since we're on the advent of Starcraft 2's release.
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Anyone around who would have an idea?
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I would very much like to make marines "r" and mutas "t" 
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On January 25 2010 00:01 synapse wrote:I would very much like to make marines "r" and mutas "t"
I know, rebound probe construction to "Q" instead of "P" and I love it, but I do not want to be doing something that will give me an unfair advantage.
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In Warcraft, most of people rearrange their hotkeys and it is allowed in Warcraft tournaments too... And it is very simple ^^. Korean Starcraft players don't use "customkeys", but I don't know about Iccup or WCG... Also many Warcraft player change to Starcraft, because no use of customkeys.
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On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals)
What? It was forbidden in WCG Germany Nationals and I'm pretty sure its forbidden for the grandfinals in Starcraft too..
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On January 24 2010 16:23 heyoka wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals) Did anyone use it? I'm surprised, I know at most War3 tournaments it right in the rules that no remapping is allowed.
For Warcraft 3 I think thats a pretty crappy rule, since there's actually an option to change all the hotkeys while in Starcraft you can't change them :S!
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On January 25 2010 00:12 G.s)NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 16:23 heyoka wrote:On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals) Did anyone use it? I'm surprised, I know at most War3 tournaments it right in the rules that no remapping is allowed. For Warcraft 3 I think thats a pretty crappy rule, since there's actually an option to change all the hotkeys while in Starcraft you can't change them :S!
You can change them, I did so myself.
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On January 25 2010 00:16 Aux wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2010 00:12 G.s)NarutO wrote:On January 24 2010 16:23 heyoka wrote:On January 24 2010 15:47 Day[9] wrote:
key remapping was legal at all the WCGs I went to (including grand finals) Did anyone use it? I'm surprised, I know at most War3 tournaments it right in the rules that no remapping is allowed. For Warcraft 3 I think thats a pretty crappy rule, since there's actually an option to change all the hotkeys while in Starcraft you can't change them :S! You can change them, I did so myself.
I mean that you cannot change them without using tools / modifying the config files. In Warcraft 3 there's an ingame menu where you can change all the keys.
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Right, that's why I'm asking if it's legal on iccup.
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On January 25 2010 00:22 Aux wrote:
Right, that's why I'm asking if it's legal on iccup.
As lots of people said, no one could tell you changed them. It gives you an advantage nonetheless, but if you just play for fun I don't think people would care. And as far as I know, there's no rule against it.
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On January 24 2010 16:10 zfr wrote:
I'm pretty sure blizzard officially said they would not have key remapping on release.
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found mixed info.. lol so yeah not sure about this
They did say that some time ago. But because the game has been delayed so much, officially because of bnet2.0 which should concern a different team of developers, it would be quite a disappointment if they are unable to offer custom hotkeys at least by the time of release (maybe not in beta).
In my opinion it would be an epic fail. It should have been an integral part of the project right from the start, anyways.
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United States44367 Posts
I don't have a problem with this in the same way as I don't have a problem with different keyboards and mice. You could rewire your keyboard specially for BW rather than remap for the same effect. Ultimately how you input the commands makes no difference, it's what the commands are that wins or loses games.
It's unenforceable on icc.
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Yeah a keyboard that looks something like this would be nice:
5678 9
1234 0
QWERT
*dreams on*
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I don't see why it would be illeagal. We've had this discussion before.
There are already different language starcraft that uses different hotkeys.
No one would argue that having a better mouse than your opponent would be illeagal...
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It's not illegal as far as the iccup rules go
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On January 25 2010 02:18 Divinek wrote:
It's not illegal as far as the iccup rules go
any proof?
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