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On January 07 2010 02:27 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 02:25 starcraft911 wrote:
I had an mx815 1600 dpi and 1800 dpi and they worked great. I bought a razer lacheis and it didn't feel right in my hand at first, but no mouse that's new usually does. After I got used to it I didn't notice any difference.
I think the mx815 is pretty solid.
As for keyboard, as long as the windows key is removed it doesn't really matter. It's just like the mouse... whatever you're used to using is what you'll get comfortable with. I like the G15 though for the macros for other games, but you can 3rd party that with any keyboard. Don't you mean mx518? The mx518 is an awesome mouse for FPS but is far too bulky and heavy for RTS. It also forces your hand into one position, which is ideal for FPS, but is not favourable for RTS where you tend to change grip at various stages in the game.
I've used the MX518 for a year and before that the MX500 since it came out - I still have the one I bought in like 2000. I find it to be the most comfortable mouse I've ever used. I recently switched to the new Steel Series Xai because I got one from sponsor, and while less comfortable, it has better control, something I've never found in another mouse compared to the MX5xx series.
I don't know what you mean about grip. I never change mine, and I've watched a lot of others play live, including Korean pros, and I've never seen anyone shift their hand at all relative to the mouse itself, or change grip in any way.
For me mouse pad has always been a huge issue. I can't stand cloth pads and I have to have a wrist rest. I use the wrist pad that comes w/ the Razer ExactMat under a Steel Series SX mousepad. It's a hard smooth pad (I've always preferred hard pads).
For keyboard I use a Razer Tarantula. It has wider key spacing than normal keyboards which i find more comfortable - you don't have to hold your fingers together, they can just fall naturally on the keys.
Headset I use a Steel Series 5H V2, which is a great headset, though admittedly a little uncomfortable for me personally, as I get headaches from wearing it - the ear pieces squeeze a little tightly. I'm waiting on an SS Siberia V2 to come, which I've worn and is far more comfortable. Of course, the only reason I use an actual headset is for Ventrilo. I play with SC sounds through my speakers when at home, I only use the headset for game sound when at LANs. It's trivial though for the actual game.
As for the rest it's simply about what you find comfortable. If you happen to find a $60 mouse more comfortable than a $5 one, or vice versa, who cares? As long as you are happy with it you're fine.
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On January 07 2010 02:27 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 02:25 starcraft911 wrote:
I had an mx815 1600 dpi and 1800 dpi and they worked great. I bought a razer lacheis and it didn't feel right in my hand at first, but no mouse that's new usually does. After I got used to it I didn't notice any difference.
I think the mx815 is pretty solid.
As for keyboard, as long as the windows key is removed it doesn't really matter. It's just like the mouse... whatever you're used to using is what you'll get comfortable with. I like the G15 though for the macros for other games, but you can 3rd party that with any keyboard. Don't you mean mx518? The mx518 is an awesome mouse for FPS but is far too bulky and heavy for RTS. It also forces your hand into one position, which is ideal for FPS, but is not favourable for RTS where you tend to change grip at various stages in the game.
I have big hands and naturally use a claw grip on the mx518 so its great. more comfortable for long use then my salmosa, even if it is heavier. Both solid mice, just whichever one fits your hand/budget. And i love having back/forward buttons for browsing on my mx518 :-p
Keyboard doesnt really matter they're all the same more or less. I play fine on my laptop keyboard, i'm so used to flat keys now i like cant play on a normal keyboard.
Any mousepad should do really, i picked up a goliathus control for ~15$ and its nicer than my old generic mousepad because the surface is firmer and has less friction
sound is pretty much irrelevant in RTS as long as you have it.
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#1 Don't buy "gaming headphones"
#2 The best mouse is the one that feels good for you and you are comfortable with to play for hours.
#3 keyboard, same as #2 provided it accepts more than 4 key pressings at once.
have fun
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mouse = Intelimouse 3.0
mousepad = some random I bought at BestBuy. It was rigide so OK for me.
HeadPhone = Random headphone that had a Mic.
keyboard = the one that came with my PC when I bough it 8 year ago O.o
Cost of like 80$ all together
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I completely do not understand why would anyone use that SEM DT keyboard. I have never held it, but according to the descriptions and screenshots, it's a "standard" keyboard, with "high" keys. I suppose that those keys need to be pushed pretty hard/deep and after that give some kickback when they are sprining back. I wonder if this is so useful in a high apm game of starcraft; wonder if a flat keyboard, with shorter keys and lower "jump" means that the keys can be pressed a bit faster. I know that this sounds stupid, but that 400 apm nada probably experiences some of the key kickback.
As for the mouse, I always thought that one should pick the one which has decent DPI and doesnt weight much, so that one doesnt have to move it much in order to move the cursor around the screen, because you should only move the wrist, not whole arm. I think most progamers have small hands thus they use small mice; my hands are big, so I cant even imagine playing with a small mouse.
I would also add that starcraft (and games in general) looks better on CRT; but maybe this is just my opinion. The parameters of high end CRTs still tend to beat the modern LCDs.
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Mouse: There is no "best", but there are bad ones. While this is mostly preference, the only thing you want to shy away from is something that doesn't go down to 400 DPI (especially for SC).
Keyboard: Preference.
Mouse pad: Absolutely unimportant unless you have a newer laser mouse that, for some reason, has trouble on certain surfaces. Even still, a "gaming" mousepad isn't the solution, as you can likely solve it with another cheap mousepad of a different color/material. $5 allsop raindrops have yet to fail me on any mouse.
Headset: $2 earbuds will do you just as well as $200 gaming headphones.
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well... what did the korean/non-korean rts progamer use for their practise and televised matches?
makes u wonder abit though, why doesn't korean keyboard/mouse manufacturer or companies makes money off pro-gamer advertisement for gaming hardwares? i mean imagine a Boxer signed keyboard or mouse-pads, even if its crap quality i can see that there's still some money to be made there, food for thought...
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I honestly thought the OP was an advertisement for Razer products which struck me as very strange. I guess it's not? Maybe it still is.
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honestly i dont mean to offend anyone in this thread but everytime i see a thread like this, it makes my head hurt
find a keyboard thats comfortable for you, and a mouse that fits nicely in your hand, and you are set to go. having the razer superorgasm2900 isnt going to make you play better.
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Mouse - Logitech MX518
Keyboard - Filco Majestouch NKRO Blue Cherry
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The mouse depends on the person, but I would always go for optical instead of laser.
The keyboard...well...the one mentioned is the best keyboard probably ever made. I'm not saying that because I use it, but because I have never found a better one. Proper button spacing, blue cherry switches for medium strength compression and a tactile click sound, gold plated connectors, and supports more simultaneous key presses than I have fingers (and a standard size backspace, not that single button bullshit).
You would think you could find a keyboard with all of this, but you just fucking can't. Seriously, I don't think there is one.
Just my 2cents.
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One decent brain.
For mouse/keyboard anything gonna work great if you get used to it.
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On January 07 2010 03:26 Vedic wrote:
Mouse: There is no "best", but there are bad ones. While this is mostly preference, the only thing you want to shy away from is something that doesn't go down to 400 DPI (especially for SC).
There is no need to set the DPI to 400 for SC. You can simply reduce the mouse speed in your OS / chaos launcher. I have yet to hear about any disadvantage of max DPI + reduced speed. It actually is better than reducing the DPI, even though you can barely notice any differences.
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Does anyone have a good mouse pad?
I bought a stealseries one but my mouse (logitec optic) jumps around. It is not a problem with the mouse because it is very precise on white paper, but all mouse pads make it suck.
Also, what about wrist rests?
Thanks.
PS I read about taping white paper down, but that is not suitable for the surface I use, else I would 
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On January 07 2010 03:28 Shizuru~ wrote:
well... what did the korean/non-korean rts progamer use for their practise and televised matches?
makes u wonder abit though, why doesn't korean keyboard/mouse manufacturer or companies makes money off pro-gamer advertisement for gaming hardwares? i mean imagine a Boxer signed keyboard or mouse-pads, even if its crap quality i can see that there's still some money to be made there, food for thought...
KTEC mouses/mousepads used to have Boxer's pictures in the packaging and came with his autographs. KTEC also made mouses that were created for StarCraft and those mouses were moderately popular amongst pro-gamers years ago, nowadays it seems like its 90% mini optical and the occassional mx300/G1/G3 though and the KTEC mouses have disappeared.
Back in the day when GG.net was selling these KTEC mouses I asked a korean friend about those mouses and how good were they considered in korea, he bluntly told me that mini optical is all that is needed and that KTEC is a waste of money, so I guess the marketing was a failure even though they got Boxer to pose for the boxes.
On January 07 2010 04:32 Muff2n wrote:Does anyone have a good mouse pad? I bought a stealseries one but my mouse (logitec optic) jumps around. It is not a problem with the mouse because it is very precise on white paper, but all mouse pads make it suck. Also, what about wrist rests? Thanks. PS I read about taping white paper down, but that is not suitable for the surface I use, else I would
I used the func 1030 for years until I got the wemade fox pad for fan boy purposes and it was the best all around pad I've ever had, it was perfect with all kinds of mouses I have used and seems to be generally considered a good product. Also Allsop has gotten a lot of praise for their cheapish pads.
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On January 07 2010 04:19 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 03:26 Vedic wrote:
Mouse: There is no "best", but there are bad ones. While this is mostly preference, the only thing you want to shy away from is something that doesn't go down to 400 DPI (especially for SC).
There is no need to set the DPI to 400 for SC. You can simply reduce the mouse speed in your OS / chaos launcher. I have yet to hear about any disadvantage of max DPI + reduced speed. It actually is better than reducing the DPI, even though you can barely notice any differences.
Scaling input reduces accuracy, so no.
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On January 07 2010 02:27 KrAzYfoOL wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 02:25 starcraft911 wrote:
I had an mx815 1600 dpi and 1800 dpi and they worked great. I bought a razer lacheis and it didn't feel right in my hand at first, but no mouse that's new usually does. After I got used to it I didn't notice any difference.
I think the mx815 is pretty solid.
As for keyboard, as long as the windows key is removed it doesn't really matter. It's just like the mouse... whatever you're used to using is what you'll get comfortable with. I like the G15 though for the macros for other games, but you can 3rd party that with any keyboard. Don't you mean mx518? The mx518 is an awesome mouse for FPS but is far too bulky and heavy for RTS. It also forces your hand into one position, which is ideal for FPS, but is not favourable for RTS where you tend to change grip at various stages in the game.
rofl yeah it's wayyyy too heavy for RTS cause u gotta be liftin dem weights to play with one
please....it's subjective, everyone uses what they like.
the most amusing thing to me about these kinds of threads is all the noobs who come in and bash everyone and say shit like THE RAZER ORGAMOTRON2009 ISNT GOING TO MAKE YOU PLAY BETTER, "just find a mouse that fits your hand and you are comfortable with."
Well what the hell do you say to someone who says that the Razer Orgasmatron2009 IS the mouse that is most comfortable for them?
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standard keyboard, logitech mini optical, mp3 speakers (like u get from ipod ur mp3). mouse pad im not sure to be honest, personally i use a cheap mouse pad thats plastic and mouse slides very smoothly on it
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Until this christmas, I've played with the dell default mouse and keyboard for 5 years. The mouse is all worn out from were my fingers have been, and the keyboard is full of hair and crumbs... I'm sure there is at least 3-4 dead bugs in there too.
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get whatever you feel comfortable with.
i think the only thing 'important' to buy would be a mousepad. i played with a really shitty pad and it was horrible. and then i bought a steelpad qck and i've had it for 3+ years, hasn't worn or torn in any shape or form.
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