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Pun intended
Seriously guys, I'm so tired of people whining about how no name players are taking the spotlight and making/winning starleague finals. Get over it. Every single star, bonjwa, dominating player started out as a no namer. Most of them were royal roaders. Every star has to start somewhere. Most of them had to best the previous dominate player inorder to become a dominating player themselves. For example: sAviOr 3:1 NaDa at Shinhan Bank Season 3 OSL and Bisu 3:0 sAviOr at GomTV MSL Season 1. Or iloveoov 3:2 BoxeR at 2004 Ever OSL.
You just don't get it guys. This is the season of upsets. This is time for the unheard of to be heard. This is...
 Shine[kaL]vT: 15-19(44.12%) vZ: 12-8(60.00%) vP: 12-10(54.55%)
Okay so this guy could use some work with his ZvT but his other matchups seem very proficient. I'll admit, he was eliminated by Hwasin of all people in the Nate MSL round of 32 but that was ZvT, something I already said he needed work on. What I'm trying to say is:
+ Show Spoiler +He's in the freaking semi finals of the OSL right now
No, no and no, he did not gay, cheese, or got Lucky his way that far. He 2:1ed Bisu in the Round of 36 using what he does best, agressiveness. If Bisu wants play passively and let Shine roll him with his map control, then this is what he deserves.
In the Round of 16 he went 2-1 dropping a game to someone who has 3-1ed Jaedong in the past, Calm. Now in that game, it was clear that Shine had superior muta control but he still lost in a neck and neck race. He allowed Calm to gain the economic advantage. However, the other two wins were against the other relatively newcomer zerg, EffOrt and the BoxeR/iloveoov student, fantasy. Now, Shine > EffOrt was already surprising enough, but at the end of that day, I read Shine > fantasy in the Live report thread and Just thought, Shine fucking scares me. fantasy, though his TvZ isnt the greatest, should have beaten Shine...but he didn't. fantasy got beaten down in less than 10 minutes.
In the Round of 8 was Where I was the most surprised. Shine 2-1ed the other half of Taek-Bang, Stork, in the same fashion he 2-1ed the First half of Taek-Bang. Maybe Stork was just caught off guard that 3rd game, but he should have known that if Shine sees a weak Protoss front, he's gonna bustya.
Come on guys, he had the HARDEST road in the OSL Ever (hey another pun).
Taek-Bang
Fantasy
EffOrt
And now Movie
The semifinals will be close. Movie's PvZ is on fire but Shine's ZvP is also on fire.
I think it could go 3:2 to either player, but if Shine moves on, it will be time to test his ZvT against the Ultimate Weapon (who is probably going to roll Calm). I KNOW that Flash is a freaking beast right now and that no one, not even Jaedong, is giving him a difficult time. But, this is the season of upsets is it not? Shine has shown upsets after upsets. He can do it again.
This is just speaking of the OSL too. Shine is also 9 - 3 in the 09-10 Proleague, although only Effort is worthy to note.
If Shine takes this OSL, I will believe 100% that he is the next Jaedong.
P.S.
To everyone who says his ZvP is his only good matchup. His best match up is ZvZ statiscally and he's 2-0 (i think?) against Effort and nearly beat Calm showing that he can do extremely well even if ecnomically behind. His ZvT is weak, yes, I said that, but it's not super terrible like Hyuk's.
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United States4796 Posts
Not bad. I agree with you. I'm sick of people whining about how good Shine or Movie or TurN (less so) are.
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could you include in your title what the spoilers are for? that would be awesome.
i believe shine is doing well, but i'm not so sure he's the next jaedong. he has difficulty with consistency and seems to only do well vP
his vZ isnt nearly as strong as JD's, efforts, or zero's.
but his match against movie is gonna be awesome to watch.
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Shine fan club/crew assemble!
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Calm's ZvZ and Flash's TvZ are too good for Shine to win the OSL. But he is a strong, micro-focused player who could definitely get to the finals.
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On December 30 2009 08:44 mOnion wrote:
could you include in your title what the spoilers are for? that would be awesome.
i believe shine is doing well, but i'm not so sure he's the next jaedong. he has difficulty with consistency and seems to only do well vP
his vZ isnt nearly as strong as JD's, efforts, or zero's.
but his match against movie is gonna be awesome to watch.
Oh shoot...I can't change a title right? Well anyways, the Round of 8 finished like 4 days ago but I didn't want anyone flipping out on me for spoilers
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If he gets there, he's gonna get squished by Flash.
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not the next jaedong though
if he improves his macro he could be the next july, a solid aggressive player who never dominates but still does well.
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Calgary26004 Posts
I think naming the thread "Time for him to shine (spoilers)" is pretty silly, since the the "spoilers" part specifically spoils everything.
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On December 30 2009 08:46 kb.RepulsE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2009 08:44 mOnion wrote:
could you include in your title what the spoilers are for? that would be awesome.
i believe shine is doing well, but i'm not so sure he's the next jaedong. he has difficulty with consistency and seems to only do well vP
his vZ isnt nearly as strong as JD's, efforts, or zero's.
but his match against movie is gonna be awesome to watch. Oh shoot...I can't change a title right? Well anyways, the Round of 8 finished like 4 days ago but I didn't want anyone flipping out on me for spoilers
ya ya you should be fine, ppl should keep up with results anyway
just as future reference ^_^ good op nonetheless
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"he was eliminated by hwasin of all people" is that something to be ashamed of? :S
edit: sorry, movie, shine, and other new comers are good. Nonetheless the idea of a Flash vs Movie or Flash vs Shine final is not a happy one. Not because of the name value- yes that hurts the idea of a final, but more importantly, because even if movie and shine double their abilities over night, do not choke whatsoever, and play the best sc of their career, neither has even a remote chance of taking a game off flash in the finals. A Flash vs xx finals is going to be a rape, no matter how promising they are. Neither of them should be in the semis at THIS point in their career. Not going to say they got through by luck or undeservingly, just that it would of been better for all involved [including their own confidence] if they didnt have the chance to reach the finals. Whoever gets there is going to be manhandled and probably slump into mediocrity.
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Shine is an ugly dude but yes he is good!
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why the hate on hwasin? his zvt is s-class
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On December 30 2009 08:48 Chill wrote:
I think naming the thread "Time for him to shine (spoilers)" is pretty silly, since the the "spoilers" part specifically spoils everything.
Haha good point. Thanks for changing the title.
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Shine is awful, you say next JD when he got a MU in < 50%.. have the Standards fallen so low?
A good player has all MU's >60%.
Shine suckz. and he is just there because bisu only trained for really ( and bisu is a moron for doing that , no offense ), and el nino. Every season there is a " breakthrough " player, then comes the (deserved) hate and now (as always) defending threads. dude, this is a by.hero right there. or even worse a yarnc or type-b.
He is nothing special nor will he accomplish anything ever. its like kwanro in the finals if shine gets into OSL finals. Just a shame.
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Calgary26004 Posts
I think Shine's ZvP is for real. He played straight up games against Bisu and Stork and showed really strong play. Actually I was there when he eliminated Bisu and I saw so many girls crying haha. Anyways, at this point I really think he's a one-matchup sniper and will fall pretty quickly when the other two get put to the test.
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On December 30 2009 08:54 SkytoM wrote:
Shine is awful, you say next JD when he got a MU in < 50%.. have the Standards fallen so low?
A good player has all MU's >60%.
Shine suckz. and he is just there because bisu only trained for really ( and bisu is a moron for doing that , no offense ), and el nino. Every season there is a " breakthrough " player, then comes the (deserved) hate and now (as always) defending threads. dude, this is a by.hero right there. or even worse a yarnc or type-b.
He is nothing special nor will he accomplish anything ever. its like kwanro in the finals if shine gets into OSL finals. Just a shame.
You realize shine has a 2-2 record on El Nino? 1-2 if you don't count ZvZ.
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i think he'll probably rise in skill level and eventually be able to play s-class games consistently...
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Shine vs Flash would be awsome
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On December 30 2009 08:56 emucxg wrote:
Shine vs Flash would be awsome
no it wouldn't, shine can't keep up macro-wise.
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