Reality (Ret/Progaming) - Page 11

On December 28 2009 12:23 I_Love_Bacon wrote:


I understand your position entirely and your logic. It's just wrong.
Is the time spent competing in TSL2 optimal training for Idra? No, but that doesn't mean it is a complete waste of time or actually detrimental to him. Couple that he is still playing starcraft against good competition, not just playing soccer with random people on the street, and has a legitimate shot to win 10k if he didn't compete it'd be foolish beyond belief.

On December 28 2009 06:31 SuperArc wrote:
So CJ is a more foreigner friendly team than estro?

Or were they just "friendlier" to Idra, because they are higher ranked than estro?

Since Idra didnt get to practice on estro

On December 28 2009 11:49 Infested Terran wrote:
I dont find anything new in Rekrul's post. Maybe most of you had some romantic view of progaming, but it's just like work. Hard work in fact - for 12+ hours a day.
It's not "Korean culture". Certain jobs like consulting or (I believe) daytrading require one to invest gigantic effort and time, in a really competitive environment full of people who want to climb up.
Although at those other jobs usually you need to cooperate with others to do your job, while in progaming you are on your own - you are responsible for improving your skill in order to win for yourself (just like daytraders). So no "Ill help you cuz I want to go home earlier" stuff.
As Rekrul said, if you suck, they will practice with someone else, because it's more benefitial for them. Just like Ret doesnt practice vs D+ players.

During 10 pages of discussion few things have been missed:
1) Ret is a dick. No offense, but his attitude was always bad; he always behaved as if he was the shit. BMing other players (anyone remember that video when he trashtalked Mana(?) and Koll(?)); thinking that he is super skilled yet struggling to go past A-; thinking that he is smarter than everyone. I suppose he argued with the Kors or something; probably practice time. (I share this attitude with him though; Im a dick too, but usually Im right :D)
2) Ret obviously did something bad, which isnt mentioned here. In the other thread there was some mention of fake replays. An explanation would be nice. Chill probably knows what happened but wont reaveal it due to the tl.net hypocrisy (other examples: banning abusers in TSL but not banning abusers during the ILMP fake tourney, who brag in their posts how they solved the "problem")
3) I always wonder how does Idra get so much time to play in all the "foreign" tourneys - e.g. nearly 200 games on iccup is few days of missed practice time. Or maybe the Kors dont want to practice with him either? (ok, saying anything bad about Idra is a bad idea in general because he is an American player and all Americans will defend him, just like the Chinese always defend pj).
4) Progamers are good at starcraft, but I dont think they are good at anything else, because they probably skipped school/dont have much free time. I suppose they speak very poor English or none at all. Just try to chat with a random Korean at iccup. It will be hard, or impossible.

On December 28 2009 12:54 toopham wrote:
All you guys are fuking bandwagon jumpers.
Rekrul post something bad about estro and the koreans and about ret and you all agree.

When I posted something bad about estro and how badly they treated ret and how Estro coaching suck balls, motherfuckers tell me I should "blog it" or that I am very wrong and shouldn't be saying those things against Estro because they've done so much for foreigners.

NeverGG even tell me to watch what I say because Estro coaches lurk this forum.
And then I get my thread closed because I am a nobody making a post.

It seems like the only way you can make a thread around here is if you're well known.

it's just fucking sad.

On December 28 2009 06:45 Chill wrote:
Agreed on every point.

Actually, even though it's public knowledge, I never knew how progaming actually worked until I was in Korea. You don't have a life. You follow their schedule, day in, day out, for 16 hours a day, 7 days a week. It's not exciting to live in Korea because you can't fucking talk to anyone because they don't speak English, you don't have time to learn Korean, and you don't have time to actually step outside and see any of Seoul.

If anything, Idra deserves ridiculous amounts of credit for doing what he's done for so long. I know I wouldn't last 3 days. I'm completely serious.

On December 28 2009 12:54 toopham wrote:
All you guys are fuking bandwagon jumpers.
Rekrul post something bad about estro and the koreans and about ret and you all agree.

When I posted something bad about estro and how badly they treated ret and how Estro coaching suck balls, motherfuckers tell me I should "blog it" or that I am very wrong and shouldn't be saying those things against Estro because they've done so much for foreigners.

NeverGG even tell me to watch what I say because Estro coaches lurk this forum.
And then I get my thread closed because I am a nobody making a post.

It seems like the only way you can make a thread around here is if you're well known.

it's just fucking sad.

On December 28 2009 12:20 Infested Terran wrote:


You definitely dont understand the 'play vs best opponents possible all the time - in order to improve as fast as possible' perspective. If you play to win, you always practice vs best; no few games here and there or rather "few hundred games of starcraft over the course of a feew weeks".

Although he is playing in TSL for money. From his point of view it might be ok; if I were his couch Id be angry that he wastes time playing newbs (ok, maybe last 50 games vs A Koreans were useful; rest - waste of time; and yes I believe that non-Koreans are much worse than random practice partners).

On December 28 2009 13:04 berzerK wrote:
Rekrul is mad because he wasn't successful and.. is sooo negative..

Sounds like a fkn loser.

On December 28 2009 13:04 berzerK wrote:
Rekrul is mad because he wasn't successful and.. is sooo negative..

Sounds like a fkn loser.

On December 28 2009 13:25 Waxangel wrote:
the post was too long, but I skimmed through it a little.

A bunch of white people generalizing about Koreans, I'm a little bit amused.