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Mystlord
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On December 28 2009 14:05 HonestTea wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 13:37 Mystlord wrote:I thought the post was funny and interesting. I didn't know that anyone actually thought that Korea wasn't a completely rigid society, but to characterize it as slavery might be a bit extreme... Though this is Rekrul so I just tone down everything he says by a level and it should be accurate. On December 28 2009 13:25 Waxangel wrote:
the post was too long, but I skimmed through it a little.
A bunch of white people generalizing about Koreans, I'm a little bit amused. Go on then, offer your opinion. Basically Wax is amused (as am I) because people think they know Korea, but they only know Korea as much as they know the progaming scene (which is to say, Zero), yet they feel like sharing their opinions anyway.
Well I'd like to know what you think about what Rekrul said or about Korean society in general rather than general, overarching statements.
I know little to nothing about what life is like in Korea, but all I know is that it's an extremely competitive society, at least in terms of both education and sports. I think it's fair to translate that extreme competitiveness to the e-sports environment considering how those who aspire to become progamers are dropping out of school, which I'd assume is very troubling to most parents. If we look at the e-sports microcosm, I think it's fair to make this basic assumption. As for Rekrul's comments on xenophobia and appearances, I can see where you'd disagree with him on that.
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if you guys wanna see my epic rant that got closed here it is
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104376
If your arguement is that what I posted was wrong so therefore it should be closed then you're a fucking retard. This is a forum, not wikipedia. I get to post how I feel about a certain matter.
And if you disagree then you have the right to post something back telling me I am wrong and I will have no problem with it.
but to say I am wrong, I should "blog it", then close my thread is pretty pathetic. This is not a forum anymore. More like "Post what we want to hear/discuss or we will close it".
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Nice post overall, should be a good reality check for most people here on TL.
However, as it was mentioned previously, many things were exaggerated in the OP in my opinion, but if you're willing to believe the OP word for word then you're just as blind as people mentioned the OP.
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On December 28 2009 14:29 toopham wrote:if you guys wanna see my epic rant that got closed here it is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104376If your arguement is that what I posted was wrong so therefore it should be closed then you're a fucking retard. This is a forum, not wikipedia. I get to post how I feel about a certain matter. And if you disagree then you have the right to post something back telling me I am wrong and I will have no problem with it. but to say I am wrong, I should "blog it", then close my thread is pretty pathetic. This is not a forum anymore. More like "Post what we want to hear/discuss or we will close it".
I agree, but sadly i don't make the rules :\
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Why is everyone assuming Starcraft2 will become an E-sport?
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On December 28 2009 14:47 HazMat wrote:
Why is everyone assuming Starcraft2 will become an E-sport?
because it has no other option.
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On December 28 2009 14:47 HazMat wrote:
Why is everyone assuming Starcraft 2 will become an E-sport?
Well, they have been balancing game and making slight graphic improvements for ~4 years now so everyone thinks that SC2 will be made for e-sports. ^^
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On December 28 2009 14:47 HazMat wrote:
Why is everyone assuming Starcraft2 will become an E-sport?
Because that's the way the world works. All blizzard games are automatically an esport.
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On December 28 2009 14:35 Saturnize wrote:Show nested quote +On December 28 2009 14:29 toopham wrote:if you guys wanna see my epic rant that got closed here it is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104376If your arguement is that what I posted was wrong so therefore it should be closed then you're a fucking retard. This is a forum, not wikipedia. I get to post how I feel about a certain matter. And if you disagree then you have the right to post something back telling me I am wrong and I will have no problem with it. but to say I am wrong, I should "blog it", then close my thread is pretty pathetic. This is not a forum anymore. More like "Post what we want to hear/discuss or we will close it". I agree, but sadly i don't make the rules :\
i'll give u an example, who would u believe when they tell u that catholic church is a farse? a drunkard by the street or the pope? its called credibility and respect, even if ur words are true, ppl aren't gonna wanna listen to u unless u have them... just a fictional example but yea u get the point.
On December 28 2009 14:47 HazMat wrote:
Why is everyone assuming Starcraft2 will become an E-sport?
because blizz is gonna throw the cash they earned from WoW to make it E-Sport...
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This is amusing :D TSL Drama and Ret's endeavors in Korea are good entertainment!
Let me just post something again.
To those saying that we are sucking Rek's dick because he pointed out something we all know:
No.
Dipshit.
That's not the case. The fact that you ASSUMED that things were the way they are doesn't mean EVERY SINGLE PERSON knows this. As a matter of fact I've been following SC for quite a while now, I was around when IdrA first got invited, I was around when NonY got invited and now Ret, and let me tell you, that I didn't know that there was more to it that the fact that they don't know Korean. It's not the same when they say you have to practice 10 hours a day in order to be good than when they say they DEMAND you play 10 hours a day to stay on the team. Big difference specially for people that are familiar with eSports outside of Korea (like myself).
On the other hand... Yes you moron. If anyone else posted this they SHOULD get banned. Why? Because tehy would be talking out of their ass! And why is it acceptable for Rek to post it? BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING REKRUL! I'm not even kidding. Who else has the insight he has? Artosis. Period. So if hes saying something about a topic that is being discussed, a topic that people have commented on without any knowledge of the reality, you listen, and adjust your opinion accordingly. Even if some of his points are speculation, his guess is better than yours because he has a much better view of the situation.
To the people saying that Rek's doesn't have knowledge of Korean culture outside of the Korean gaming community:
I'm sorry I thought that Rek was in Korea for Poker not SC or am I missing something? Funny enough none of the guys posting that are from Korea and the ones that had said they have been there (for longer than a simple vacation) agree with him...
Enough of Rekrul. Another point:
In what bubble do you live in if you think that only in Korea there are established eSport leagues? WTH do you think MLG is? And guess what, the pro Halo players in the states make more money than the Korean players! Tsquared signed a deal with Dr.Pepper to print 115 MILLION bottles with his name, signature and face on. A penny for each bottle sold it's 1.15 million dollars for a picture. Walshy and the Ogre twins both had million dollar contracts back when they played Halo 2, they must be higher now since the MLG has grown.
Outside of Korea there might not be many leagues but there are a million tournaments. You don't need leagues you need tournaments and if you want to know if there are any tournaments out there as big as the Korean proleague go check out this year's WCG.
This past year eSports looked bad outside of Korea. The economical crisis and the stupid management of both leagues and teams made eSports look on the brink of extinction, but the year turned out to be pretty good for gaming in general.
If you think that eSports won't survive long enough for SC2 and if you think that eSports wont get bigger after SC2 comes out... Do some research my friend. The videogame industry is the one that moves the most money in the Americas and no matter what game it is there will be people willing to compete in it.
/rant
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Don't get your point shizuru, you basically said just because you have more power you are more correct. -_- Nevermind i don't want the thread to go off topic.
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Not power Saturnize. Credibility.
Edit: And this went off topic a long time ago.
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So basically power = credibility. ok.
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Facepalm. Yes that's exactly what hes saying...
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On December 28 2009 15:13 Arhkangel wrote:
Facepalm. Yes that's exactly what hes saying...
I can see you're irritated ill stop now.
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Really blunt, but I think everything in this is true.
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Wow I'm impressed Rekrul, all things considered that was a fair foreigner post.
As for the "real" aspects of korea some here have mentioned, unless you are korea born korean it's kinda pointless for this forum. lol why mention it?
The thing with the weight though is true lol. Heck it's true here in the US, only that we have more heavies and our 90 pound bag of bones is their thin.
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On December 28 2009 14:29 toopham wrote:if you guys wanna see my epic rant that got closed here it is http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104376If your arguement is that what I posted was wrong so therefore it should be closed then you're a fucking retard. This is a forum, not wikipedia. I get to post how I feel about a certain matter. And if you disagree then you have the right to post something back telling me I am wrong and I will have no problem with it. but to say I am wrong, I should "blog it", then close my thread is pretty pathetic. This is not a forum anymore. More like "Post what we want to hear/discuss or we will close it".
Even if you're right about "post only what we want to hear." You aren't really making a case for yourself by writing what seemed to be vulgar slander against the folks of eStro. So unless you're speaking from experience I wouldn't have even dignified a response to that thread.
Rek may be a crass individual, but there's a certain quality to his posts. They have charisma and, well, he has a history, experience and respect to back up his posts.
When I read your posts, I see frustrated invidual who points fingers at people and doesn't know how to articulate himself.
When I read Rekrul's posts, I see frustrated individual who knows how to articulates himself very well and illuminates on a subject with sound logic (without pointing blame on anyone really, he's quite ambiguous when labeling faults) and a history that says he knows what he speaks.
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