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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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modestXAF
United States26 Posts
On January 10 2010 22:40 Nevuk wrote: I find it funny... Aware has basically come out and begged to be cheesed by everyone he plays for the rest of the league. lol | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On January 10 2010 22:40 Nevuk wrote: I find it funny... Aware has basically come out and begged to be cheesed by everyone he plays for the rest of the league. Was white_ra the protoss who did that in WCG or one of the other leagues? He complained about cheese so much everyone did it to him to annoy the hell out of him. Even though he played toss the easiest race to cheese with  | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On January 10 2010 22:45 Qikz wrote: Was white_ra the protoss who did that in WCG or one of the other leagues? He complained about cheese so much everyone did it to him to annoy the hell out of him. Even though he played toss the easiest race to cheese with Well, that depends on the matchup and what you consider cheese. Some people consider all 1 base play pvz cheese, which is just wrong. 9/10 Gate really isn't even cheese in base, it's akin to 8-rax (which I saw someone earlier mention they were prepping just for the cheese factor, it's really not if all you do is 8-rax. Pulling like 7 scvs to bunker rush after, yeah that's cheese). But the only real cheeses P has vs z are cannon rushes (which are kind of mandatory if you go 11 forge and they go 12 hatch and are scouted last) and proxy gates. Dragoon/Reaver pushes kind of fall into here as well but those are just so incredibly hard to do. Vs T they have the widest variety of cheese but even then, it's basically just like... proxy gate, proxy robo, dt rush/dt drop (a case could be made that neither of these are cheese if the player uses them for non-cheesy purposes, like 2 base arbs/fast expo, with the dts being used for contain). In pvp... nothing is cheese, there's just good strategies, bad strategies, and strategies that rely on opponents having bad scouting. | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
There are no rules for cheese in this league and if Xeno decides to use that building in all his games then you whiners will have to deal with it. As I mentioned earlier you would learn more if you practice several BOs specially if you accentuate your practice on your late game over your early game and if anybody choses to just play 1 BO throughout the whole league so be it. But then they are in a disadvantage. By judging the amount of work, practice and thought that Xeno put in to that build I back him up completely on this one. He is not just simply going blind and doing it for the sake of getting a win but for the sake of mastering that particular BO and even if is considered "cheese" what he is doing is exactly what I want you guys to be doing instead of posting crying comments in the NEWS thread. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On January 10 2010 17:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I just don't understand the whole "this league is about getting better norush15 kk" mentality. Pulling off speedlings into lurkdrop into mass muta/double expand require enormous multitask due to the micro reliance of the build. I analyzed the map, I decided where to drop, what to drop, where to rally my mutas, different terran building placements in main (Since I had to try to delay vessel as much as possible) and when i should prepare for a counter attack and when i should pump some drones. I practiced against bunker rushes, double proxy gates, 5pool/sunken rushes, BBS, and learned how to best react to every cheese i could think of. (I even played against a reverse sim-city bunker rush into mass valks thanks to my crazy teammates lol) More specifically, I tried my 9hatch speedling build against 2port wraith, mech, 2 rax tech, 1rax FE, 2 rax FE, 3 rax sunken break, and different bunker rushes. All of this, i tried against players better than me (coach and some kid at a LAN party i met). I also did the build against 4 random D/D+ terrans on iccup. Plus, I practice muta micro daily for 3rd part of my BO. If all that didn't make me a better zerg player, then I give up. My BO may have been cheesy, but you better believe i knew exactly what to do when any part (or parts) of my 3 stage attacks failed. Whether or not I could actually do it well enough was another matter but don't think I didn't prepare for the late game. Wow, nice effort. I helped a pupil of mine prepare a build similarly like that, but not as extensively. As a coach it is very satisfying to see those kind of things. Props to you and your coach/practice partners.  Btw, thanks for showing me how to indent, didn't know until I quoted you. :D On January 10 2010 23:18 RaptorX wrote: By judging the amount of work, practice and thought that Xeno put in to that build I back him up completely on this one. He is not just simply going blind and doing it for the sake of getting a win but for the sake of mastering that particular BO and even if is considered "cheese" what he is doing is exactly what I want you guys to be doing instead of posting crying comments in the NEWS thread. Amen. | ||
l10f
United States3241 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12022 Posts
On January 11 2010 02:00 l10f wrote: I still need reps from like 5 matches, I'm really busy today + tomorrow, so I don't know when I can update everything, but I'll try to check as many times as possible and update ASAP. I'm just waiting for later tonight to get everyones replays as Deathgod and Shark are not on yet. | ||
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littlechava
United States7220 Posts
On January 10 2010 22:45 Qikz wrote: Was white_ra the protoss who did that in WCG or one of the other leagues? He complained about cheese so much everyone did it to him to annoy the hell out of him. Even though he played toss the easiest race to cheese with I seriously doubt it was White-Ra, he's known for being a really nice guy/good sportsman | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On January 11 2010 02:25 littlechava wrote: I seriously doubt it was White-Ra, he's known for being a really nice guy/good sportsman he does really dislike cheese though | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
IMO it shoulda been best of 3 games, that makes more sense, esp if we are trying to teach players. 1 game matchs means they only have to practice one build the whole time and that wont help them in any real leagues its just another aspect of how starcraft has become a game where there is no adapting, you just have one build and thats it. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 11 2010 03:19 Skyze wrote: Also keep in mind this "proleague" format is more in line for the 1 game fast-win builds.. IMO it shoulda been best of 3 games, that makes more sense, esp if we are trying to teach players. 1 game matchs means they only have to practice one build the whole time and that wont help them in any real leagues its just another aspect of how starcraft has become a game where there is no adapting, you just have one build and thats it. But in a team match, it's rather hard to have BO3s unless each set is played as a Best of 3. Then that'd just take forever. | ||
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RaptorX
Germany646 Posts
On January 11 2010 03:27 Roffles wrote: But in a team match, it's rather hard to have BO3s unless each set is played as a Best of 3. Then that'd just take forever. yep. I think the reason why l10f chose 1match instead of BOx is the time factor. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On January 10 2010 16:37 Lz wrote: New idra in the making?!?! its ok though~ i really can't be upset with ppl losing to 9 hatch 9 pool 9 gas build's its pretty low eco and all-inish and i will only point people in the right direction of how to play standard and learn to OUTPLAY people. which is obviously the point of this league too help bad players learn a little about how to become better. Rather it wins CPL games or not. (which i thought was the perpose of this league) if you enter this league only wanting Wins then these kinda plays i see ppl do every week (not trying to pick on any players.. more towards the coach's *shame* ^_^ ) is exactly how you should play.. but the road to learning this game has nothing to do with proxy gate cannon rushing 9 9 9 zerg builds 4/5 pool's ect. becasue its bad. if somone was only after a rank there was a i guy from italy last season on iccup who proxy 2 center raxed every game all matchup's and he got A-.. he didnt have a game over 6 min out of all his games.. either he won or lost.. now the question remains is he good becasue he cheesed? maybe ppl have a diffrent oppenion.. maybe becasue i play this game seriously I see things diffrently .. maybe its me ^_^ LOL | ||
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Skyze
Canada2324 Posts
On January 11 2010 03:27 Roffles wrote: But in a team match, it's rather hard to have BO3s unless each set is played as a Best of 3. Then that'd just take forever. well.. I am a helping organizer for the Nation Wars League and Canada vs Russia Bo3's yesterday lasted less than 2 hours, while my CPL teams' match still isnt even done yet and it took like 2~3 hours yesterday to get things settled, in Bo1's.. I dunno. I dont think it takes much longer, unless you guys are playing your matches in a row, rather than at the same time. | ||
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Chaos
United States772 Posts
On January 10 2010 16:37 Lz wrote: New idra in the making?!?! its ok though~ i really can't be upset with ppl losing to 9 hatch 9 pool 9 gas build's its pretty low eco and all-inish and i will only point people in the right direction of how to play standard and learn to OUTPLAY people. which is obviously the point of this league too help bad players learn a little about how to become better. Rather it wins CPL games or not. (which i thought was the perpose of this league) if you enter this league only wanting Wins then these kinda plays i see ppl do every week (not trying to pick on any players.. more towards the coach's *shame* ^_^ ) is exactly how you should play.. but the road to learning this game has nothing to do with proxy gate cannon rushing 9 9 9 zerg builds 4/5 pool's ect. becasue its bad. if somone was only after a rank there was a i guy from italy last season on iccup who proxy 2 center raxed every game all matchup's and he got A-.. he didnt have a game over 6 min out of all his games.. either he won or lost.. now the question remains is he good becasue he cheesed? maybe ppl have a diffrent oppenion.. maybe becasue i play this game seriously I see things diffrently .. maybe its me ^_^ <3 good point. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On January 11 2010 06:40 Skyze wrote: well.. I am a helping organizer for the Nation Wars League and Canada vs Russia Bo3's yesterday lasted less than 2 hours, while my CPL teams' match still isnt even done yet and it took like 2~3 hours yesterday to get things settled, in Bo1's.. I dunno. I dont think it takes much longer, unless you guys are playing your matches in a row, rather than at the same time. It's played in a row, as most games are streamed for convenience. With everyone able to watch each game progressively, it's easier for coaches to select an Ace player and to predict the Ace player of the other team based upon skill levels shown in game and stuff. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
and gk_ender > hugtrees for the fourth match GG guys, nice matches | ||
tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 11 2010 11:26 TheAntZ wrote: Viperskwa > TheAntZ delayed match for cloud.9 chief badasses and gk_ender > hugtrees for the fourth match GG guys, nice matches Oh god, if by nice matches you mean epic choke to unupgraded rally point zealots, than yeah. See, my early game, I was playing well because I had all this wonderful, wonderful, Orange Juice flowing through my blood. I was building units and painting the floor with blue goo like Jackson Goddamn Pollack. ![[image loading]](http://tastyjuicers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/orange-juice-potassium-lg-1-300x234.jpg) But I didn't drink enough orange juice. I drank a cup of orange juice, thinking I could end the game pretty fast. But gk_ender was a worthy opponent, and put up a bit of a tussle. He waited until my orange juice ability wore off. When we meat again, gk... I'm drinking the whole carton. ![[image loading]](http://www.buttermilkpress.com/orange_juice.jpg) But dammit I don't even need orange juice. . . Because I have one thing to say. . . It's on. . . IT'S ON BRO. . . And one more thing. . . We're going to DESTROY everyone in 2010. . . Cheers. | ||
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