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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
On December 02 2009 22:59 Oystein wrote:
Everyone seem to hype Nyoken so much tho every time I have played or obsed him he has not shown anything special imo. Maybe I have just been unlucky and only seen bad games from him or something, since I guess there must be some truth to it since everyone praises him so much.
1. He's American
2. Once you're friends/hated with/by Team USA players you can become pretty famous/hyped no matter how trashy you are.
But I must admit Nyoken is pretty fast though.
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?
Do something about this.
Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.
Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.
And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.
PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.
(Artosis: GUYS GIVE YOUR HONEST OPINIONS
Idra + ret: "honest opinions"
costini: fuck you guys are arrogant, no one wants to hear the truth, they want to live in a over-humble world.)
Don't get me wrong, you make some good points, but you pretty much just insult them so much for no reason, and act like they need to change.
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United States41961 Posts
Most of the comments about me were fair. I'm not top 48 by merit alone and I know it. I'm not cheating but I am dodging, as are about 80 of the top 100. The bulldogging thing has gotten old but when I release my TSL reps and they show I haven't bulldogged anyone in my last 300 games that should hopefully stop.
The trash talking is what we've come to expect so whatever, it's why we watch them I guess.
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Don´t worry, White-ra reaver-bulldogged Boxer in Korea on the main stage in TV... G5 also bulldogged Him, double expanded and killed him without making a single zealot, just pure goons. Call that cheese if u want, but it still works vs top players, so it is a perfectly valid strategy and is so hard to defend it for fast expanding terrans. I don´t know why everyone talks shit about every not-economy-oriented build, maybe because koreans don´t do them that much?
Also, it's perfectly fine to abuse the game as much as possible if you are not doing anything against the rules, that´s what multiplayer games are all about, some people have amazing mechanics and abuse that by picking terran and playing very defensive heavy macro games with high apm demanding strategys.. other people just bulldog, lurker drop, stack 11 mutas or abuse the map by mining a back mineral patch, etc... Its ok if u hate loosing to that, but if i could bulldog and DT drop my way to the tsl qualifiers i wouldn´t hesitate to do it.
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About the lagg
Is the diffrence so huge between Taiwan-Western and Korea-Westerm??
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?
Do something about this.
Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.
Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.
And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.
PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.
Wow, did you seriously register just to type this LARGE, bulky text of utter and complete garbage. At least attempt to correct your spelling and grammar since post of yours was so important for everyone to see, and just had to be read. ret streamed countless games for everyone, does interviews and is like one of the nicest guys on foreign scene, and people still bash him. Bunch of a fucking haters. ;-/
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People cheese, and it's a winning strategy. Sure, saying it's annoying is fine, but whining about it doesn't change a thing, this tournament is about winning. If you know a player can only beat you using one strategy, then prepare for it. You don't just use a specific build because it is good, but because you know it can beat your opponent.
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Nice interview, thanks.
I'm jeallous to idra because of that CJ coat. ;(
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?
Do something about this.
Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.
Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.
And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.
PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.
How the fuck are you gonna prove a point about showing respect when your main argument is how everyone looks? go fuck yourself.
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On December 02 2009 23:35 emucxg wrote:
About the lagg
Is the diffrence so huge between Taiwan-Western and Korea-Westerm??
the problem with continental chinese ping / lag doesnt really origin in the distance issues (like it would be with taiwanese/korean users), its the Great Chinese Firewall Internet filtering / overwatch which makes playing SCBW on internet so unpredictable, thus hard.
so the answer to your question should be: no there shouldnt be any big differences between korean / taiwanese internet connection
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On December 02 2009 22:59 Oystein wrote:
Everyone seem to hype Nyoken so much tho every time I have played or obsed him he has not shown anything special imo. Maybe I have just been unlucky and only seen bad games from him or something, since I guess there must be some truth to it since everyone praises him so much.
I sense jealousy in the midst....
you're a great player too oystein 
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I found the interview pretty funny. For some reason, I was laughing when Idra said dimaga was legitimately good. It's somehow funny when Idra compliments someone
I also liked Idra approving of Inka's short temper, haha
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?
Do something about this.
Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.
Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.
And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.
PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.
What I honestly think about you: gtfo motherfucker
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video stops after a little while:/
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On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote:
not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit.
It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments (the last year has actually been quite good). A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC.
Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall.
For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly.
I have nothing against Chinese players, I know they are good people. But that's just my opinion.
There are numerous foreign players that do exactly what you just listed. They play purely for money. Does JF enter any tournament without a prize? Does Draco? Are they part of TL or post on the forums? Do they stream constantly and interact with the community? You can't restrict it to just Chinese players and try to paint the rest of the non-Chinese foreigner community as saints.
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions
The irony is thick.
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On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?
Do something about this.
Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.
Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.
And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.
PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.
I`d like to see a pic of you, I`m sure Idra looks way better than u do.
anyways you`ll get banned so w/e
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Netherlands4511 Posts
On December 03 2009 01:21 Scooge wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote:
not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit.
It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments (the last year has actually been quite good). A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC.
Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall.
For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly.
I have nothing against Chinese players, I know they are good people. But that's just my opinion.
There are numerous foreign players that do exactly what you just listed. They play purely for money. Does JF enter any tournament without a prize? Does Draco? Are they part of TL or post on the forums? Do they stream constantly and interact with the community? You can't restrict it to just Chinese players and try to paint the rest of the non-Chinese foreigner community as saints.
Draco and JF have been in foreign tournaments and clanwars every weekend ( Draco not so much since he retired ) for years and years.
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I agree that they at times came off as cocky and said some trashy things. But it wasn't so bad. Fun to get opinions of course.
Goes to show why I miss nony over there though. A smart guy, and held himself well, told it like it was, but without any nonsense. But perhaps that's also why he knew well enough not to waste his time over there.
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United States12607 Posts
Great interview, I was especially intrigued with what ret had to say about F91, it was very articulate.
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