ret + IdrA TSL interview

On December 02 2009 12:45 Clownbaby wrote:
This is what the MSL selection ceremony was missing (once I understood it of course. Yay subs).

Nothin' like some good ole fashioned smack talk.

On December 02 2009 12:51 DIMJkE wrote:
How come F91 is allowed to play? I thought Chinese were not allowed.

On December 02 2009 12:51 DIMJkE wrote:
How come F91 is allowed to play? I thought Chinese were not allowed.

On December 02 2009 13:27 KawaiiRice wrote:
I bereeve in da chinese
Roarr chinese fighting

On December 02 2009 13:32 Megalisk wrote:


FUCK YEAH GO CHINESE

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 02 2009 12:37 tree.hugger wrote:
I'm expecting drama and random unfair MaNa bashing.

Don't disappoint.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 02 2009 12:37 tree.hugger wrote:
I'm expecting drama and random unfair MaNa bashing.

Don't disappoint.

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 02 2009 14:42 Assault_1 wrote:
ret: "he plays his tourny games from his work desk and has to pause for like 15 minutes..."

did I hear that right?

On December 02 2009 14:53 rockon1215 wrote:
That was awesome

Did anyone else start laughing when Idra was knocking Ret's ZvZ?

On December 02 2009 12:45 Clownbaby wrote:
This is what the MSL selection ceremony was missing (once I understood it of course. Yay subs).

Nothin' like some good ole fashioned smack talk.

On December 02 2009 15:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
ehm, maybe it's just me but what on earth is fantastic about this interview? its abysmal

idra is too quiet and talks pretty fast (despite his annoying fidgeting(? moving the leg up and down..)) and all he says is "don't know about this guy, haven't played that guy"........... wow interesting.
ret is (with the exception of castro xD) too mannered.

then some technical issues, at least for me the vid takes like 15 minutes to load, the sound qualtity is so bad (ambient noise) and the whole interview takes place in front of an ugly, withered(?) bush. wow

seriously, i guess i can take the cam in my cellular phone and get an equal result

On December 02 2009 15:51 DustBowl wrote:
Dark Horse will obviously be kolll... Didn't hear any mention of him in the interview but I'm pretty sure he wouldn't get too much respect...

On December 02 2009 13:32 Megalisk wrote:


FUCK YEAH GO CHINESE

+ Show Spoiler +

On December 02 2009 15:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
ehm, maybe it's just me but what on earth is fantastic about this interview? its abysmal

idra is too quiet and talks pretty fast (despite his annoying fidgeting(? moving the leg up and down..)) and all he says is "don't know about this guy, haven't played that guy"........... wow interesting.
ret is (with the exception of castro xD) too mannered.

then some technical issues, at least for me the vid takes like 15 minutes to load, the sound qualtity is so bad (ambient noise) and the whole interview takes place in front of an ugly, withered(?) bush. wow

seriously, i guess i can take the cam in my cellular phone and get an equal result

On December 02 2009 15:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
ehm, maybe it's just me but what on earth is fantastic about this interview? its abysmal

idra is too quiet and talks pretty fast (despite his annoying fidgeting(? moving the leg up and down..)) and all he says is "don't know about this guy, haven't played that guy"........... wow interesting.
ret is (with the exception of castro xD) too mannered.

then some technical issues, at least for me the vid takes like 15 minutes to load, the sound qualtity is so bad (ambient noise) and the whole interview takes place in front of an ugly, withered(?) bush. wow

seriously, i guess i can take the cam in my cellular phone and get an equal result

On December 02 2009 15:41 Scaramanga wrote:

How about you go to korea then and do a better interview, if not go fuck yourself

On December 02 2009 17:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Ret's point on the chinese is spot-fucking-on.

I think it is absurd that they hop into our scene whenever money is available then shun us when it isn't.

On December 02 2009 18:21 s.a.y wrote:


i agree with this.

as for the dark horses - kawaiirice, kolll and OctZerg.

On December 02 2009 15:35 Djin)ftw( wrote:
ehm, maybe it's just me but what on earth is fantastic about this interview? its abysmal

idra is too quiet and talks pretty fast (despite his annoying fidgeting(? moving the leg up and down..)) and all he says is "don't know about this guy, haven't played that guy"........... wow interesting.
ret is (with the exception of castro xD) too mannered.

then some technical issues, at least for me the vid takes like 15 minutes to load, the sound qualtity is so bad (ambient noise) and the whole interview takes place in front of an ugly, withered(?) bush. wow

seriously, i guess i can take the cam in my cellular phone and get an equal result

On December 02 2009 19:24 ffswowsucks wrote:
IdrA if I was in korea i would steal your gosu CJ jacket!!!

On December 02 2009 17:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Ret's point on the chinese is spot-fucking-on.

I think it is absurd that they hop into our scene whenever money is available then shun us when it isn't.

On December 02 2009 18:50 Ash wrote:
I don't like how people can forget about the invitations given by Chinese tournaments such as PGL and take away credits just like that. These tournaments have covered all the flight expenses in the past for foreigners to compete in THEIR tournaments. I think the chinese has contributed much more than what ret has mentioned.

On December 02 2009 17:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Ret's point on the chinese is spot-fucking-on.

I think it is absurd that they hop into our scene whenever money is available then shun us when it isn't.

On December 02 2009 18:50 Ash wrote:
I don't like how people can forget about the invitations given by Chinese tournaments such as PGL and take away credits just like that. These tournaments have covered all the flight expenses in the past for foreigners to compete in THEIR tournaments. I think the chinese has contributed much more than what ret has mentioned.

On December 02 2009 17:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Ret's point on the chinese is spot-fucking-on.

I think it is absurd that they hop into our scene whenever money is available then shun us when it isn't.

On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote:
not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit.

It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments. A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC.

Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall.

For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly.

That's just my opinion.

p.s Foucault you're a moron.

On December 02 2009 12:31 Artosis wrote:
ill add it to youtube when i get a chance.

On December 02 2009 21:10 G.s)NarutO wrote:
F91 has to make top 12 ladder to be allowed to play...

On December 02 2009 21:54 meeple wrote:
I've never had any problems with Scforall player... no idea why so many people here are raggin on it so much.

On December 02 2009 22:59 Oystein wrote:
Everyone seem to hype Nyoken so much tho every time I have played or obsed him he has not shown anything special imo. Maybe I have just been unlucky and only seen bad games from him or something, since I guess there must be some truth to it since everyone praises him so much.

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.

They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?

Do something about this.

Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.

Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.

And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.

PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.

They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?

Do something about this.

Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.

Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.

And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.

PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.

They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?

Do something about this.

Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.

Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.

And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.

PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.

On December 02 2009 23:35 emucxg wrote:
About the lagg

Is the diffrence so huge between Taiwan-Western and Korea-Westerm??

On December 02 2009 22:59 Oystein wrote:
Everyone seem to hype Nyoken so much tho every time I have played or obsed him he has not shown anything special imo. Maybe I have just been unlucky and only seen bad games from him or something, since I guess there must be some truth to it since everyone praises him so much.

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.

They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?

Do something about this.

Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.

Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.

And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.

PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.

On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote:
not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit.

It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments (the last year has actually been quite good). A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC.

Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall.

For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly.

I have nothing against Chinese players, I know they are good people. But that's just my opinion.

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions

On December 02 2009 23:08 costini wrote:
I think these "News" should be removed from the site, it's not coerent. I myself agree with some things they say but they shouldn't say on camera it's a matter of good sense and lack of respect.

They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view?

Do something about this.

Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU.

Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice.

And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate.

PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN.

On December 03 2009 01:21 Scooge wrote:


There are numerous foreign players that do exactly what you just listed. They play purely for money. Does JF enter any tournament without a prize? Does Draco? Are they part of TL or post on the forums? Do they stream constantly and interact with the community? You can't restrict it to just Chinese players and try to paint the rest of the non-Chinese foreigner community as saints.

On December 03 2009 01:42 ret wrote:



Draco and JF have been in foreign tournaments and clanwars every weekend ( Draco not so much since he retired ) for years and years.

On December 03 2009 01:21 Scooge wrote:


There are numerous foreign players that do exactly what you just listed. They play purely for money. Does JF enter any tournament without a prize? Does Draco? Are they part of TL or post on the forums? Do they stream constantly and interact with the community? You can't restrict it to just Chinese players and try to paint the rest of the non-Chinese foreigner community as saints.

On December 03 2009 01:42 ret wrote:



Draco and JF have been in foreign tournaments and clanwars every weekend ( Draco not so much since he retired ) for years and years.

On December 02 2009 12:58 iNfeRnaL wrote:
lol @ hwanni implying ret's gonna play minor league before idra does.
wow that was bm xD

On December 03 2009 00:41 win8282 wrote:


I sense jealousy in the midst....
you're a great player too oystein

On December 03 2009 00:32 cyronc wrote:


the problem with continental chinese ping / lag doesnt really origin in the distance issues (like it would be with taiwanese/korean users), its the Great Chinese Firewall Internet filtering / overwatch which makes playing SCBW on internet so unpredictable, thus hard.

so the answer to your question should be: no there shouldnt be any big differences between korean / taiwanese internet connection

On December 03 2009 04:11 ZZangDreamjOy wrote:


Nyoken is hyped up a little too much for my liking too. I mean, he's not a bad player by any stretch of the imagination, but putting him above the russian/ukrainian terrans? A darkhorse to win TSL? He'll drop out the second he meets anyone with a competent vT.

On December 03 2009 04:29 khersai wrote:
I don't mean to troll or anything, but
I think that if Ret and Idra are allowed to participate in TSL, the same rules should apply to other korean players. why are they treated exclusively ? just because they werent born in Korea ?
That's not fair (especially with idra, who actually owns progaming license) considering they train 8 hours/day with the best players in the world. They shouldnt be considered foreigners anymore

just my two cents, hoping for great tournament nevertheless

On December 03 2009 04:29 khersai wrote:
I don't mean to troll or anything, but
I think that if Ret and Idra are allowed to participate in TSL, the same rules should apply to other korean players. why are they treated exclusively ? just because they werent born in Korea ?
That's not fair (especially with idra, who actually owns progaming license) considering they train 8 hours/day with the best players in the world. They shouldnt be considered foreigners anymore

just my two cents, hoping for great tournament nevertheless

On December 03 2009 04:52 meeple wrote:


Does Idra have a progaming license? I thought he never went through courage but just got an offer from CJ...

Edit: Also that whole situation has been discussed in length in here:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=105526

On December 03 2009 03:46 Oystein wrote:

Haha none what so ever. I just find it weird that someone who I got the impression of being nothing but a mediocre player others consider a dark horse to win the biggest foreign tournament ever. I have played vs pretty much everyone they mentions in the interview and everyone else they consider good I also consider to be really good, so naturally I wonder what is wrong with my impression of Nyoken or if its something wrong with theirs, and since they are a lot who hype him I would assume there is something there that I have just not seen.

On December 03 2009 04:52 meeple wrote:


Does Idra have a progaming license? I thought he never went through courage but just got an offer from CJ...

On December 03 2009 05:12 WeSt wrote:
Yep I thought the same... ret should be allowed to play but idra has been a progamer for well over a year.

On December 03 2009 05:55 Jonteman wrote:
Idra so adorable!!

On December 03 2009 05:55 Jonteman wrote:
Idra so adorable!!

On December 03 2009 08:05 meeple wrote:


lol are you sure you don't mean ret?

On December 03 2009 06:28 HazMat wrote:
I hate how every one keeps bashing Idra, he reminds me off my brother, cool guy just gets easilly pissed off when losing. Not a big deal, thats why i have my sig

On December 02 2009 17:00 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
Ret's point on the chinese is spot-fucking-on.

I think it is absurd that they hop into our scene whenever money is available then shun us when it isn't.

On December 03 2009 08:24 tonight wrote:

I skipped several pages of this thread just to re-quote this. This is right beyond belief. No one knows much about any of the chinese gamers because of how little they are active in the community. If it isn't a money sort of opportunity for them they don't even bother.

On December 03 2009 07:13 Pooshlmer wrote:
The videos only work in IE for me.

On December 02 2009 19:31 freelander wrote:
Artosis:

Sziky is pronounced CEEKEY

On December 03 2009 08:24 tonight wrote:

I skipped several pages of this thread just to re-quote this. This is right beyond belief. No one knows much about any of the chinese gamers because of how little they are active in the community. If it isn't a money sort of opportunity for them they don't even bother.

On December 03 2009 14:47 mmp wrote:
Idra needs to expand his wardrobe.

On December 03 2009 02:02 7mk wrote:


Draco even has a stream

On December 03 2009 15:10 wok wrote:
Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

On December 03 2009 15:10 wok wrote:
Kwark may have told me to lay off, but I'm still seething at idra's BM. Booooo.

On December 03 2009 20:39 ShaperofDreams wrote:
To the people who say Idra shouldn't be allowed to participate in this and other foreign tournaments:

That's complete bullshit. Idra made a life-changing decision to move to a completely foreign country so he can follow his dream of becoming a professional gamer, where his competition is 300+ gamers playing 10+ hours a day. For this he gets banned from the foreign (as in outside of Korea) tournaments by the community which he has been a part of since adolescence?

What the fuck.

I apologize for the derail but this traitorous banter evokes great nerd rage from within my soul.

On December 04 2009 21:17 MorroW[MB] wrote:
top 5 laggers:
1: china
2: chile
3: castro
4: korea
5: ppl who refuse to leave after just have wasted their army and is about to lose their last money income plus main base

solution:
rent some random house in europe with decent internet connection and send all of these guys who qualify in top48 plus lags hard to this house and it will be lag free

im not being serious im just trying to explain to u that more than the chinese are lagging hard and its better that we look for solutions rather than discussing who is active in the foreign scene. TSL is a competitive league for competitive players, not a league for players who use teamliquid for entertainment... but this is just my opinion ;p


ye lol Leath id like ret alot more if his voice was like that xD

On December 04 2009 22:59 Pang0lin wrote:
Man Chile doesn't lag that much..
I mean we have some ping, but u can easly play at LAN latency.