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Guam3521 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On December 02 2009 20:33 ret wrote: not understanding my point makes you pretty retarded. You can either agree or disagree with what I said, but if you've followed sc at all for the past few years you'd at least see both sides have some merit. It just ends up being a debate about what TSL is really is, for me teamliquid, and TSL stands for the foreign 'community'. The community that has never had big tournaments. A chance for the players to finally play for a 'real prize' against each other. A reward for the years of hard work everyone put in simply because they LOVE the game. The community that has always been in a dark corner of the world ever since warcraft 3 came out because the only thing we had was WCG. And a lot of countries didn't even have that. China has a pro-scene. China has MAJOR tournaments all year long. Chinese players make good money off SC. Part of what makes a community is that among foreigners, everyone knows each other, we meet each other all the time in different tournaments, play online, all that stuff. We've all bitched to each other about how there should be more tournaments and asked each other ' is playing this game really worth it?' as we watched war3 pros rack in thausands of $. Chinese have never participated in the day to day routines of 'foreign' bw. F91 playing in liqubition.. He did that for money. And caused a shitload of lag problems for the players he had to face. Is that really an arguement as to why he's part of the 'foreign' community? They played (lagged) up a few clanwars with Fnatic for a couple of months BECAUSE fnatic paid them a big fat salary that ended up being fnatic sc's downfall. For me the only reason that having anyone besides people that are from the 'foreign community' that most us know and love ( ok, maybe not love) is that the TSL is sponsored by a big company now that wants to see a return on their investment. I had not taken PGL into consideration, because I wasn't playing when it happend and never really gotten any word of it. But that does change things in favor of having Chinese players. slightly. That's just my opinion. p.s Foucault you're a moron. I understood what you said, I just don't agree with it. No matter how you look at it, it's still an "us" versus "them" issue. Besides lag of course, which is a tough one. Even talking about a single, unified foreign community is silly. TL is a community, but it doesn't represent the entire foreign community. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
I agree somewhat with what ret said about what TSL stands for and how the known foreign community is really what this tourney is geared towards. | ||
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n3gative
Canada369 Posts
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Garnet
Vietnam9014 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On December 02 2009 21:01 Garnet wrote: Chinese people should spare some times from their hard-working days to learn some English. ????????? | ||
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Queequeg
Germany263 Posts
On December 02 2009 12:31 Artosis wrote: ill add it to youtube when i get a chance. Please do. The scforall player sucks, but most importantly the server is just not fit for streaming video. For every second played it's buffering for 5 seconds. I never had a good download rate there. Please please stop torturing us by only releasing videos on scforall. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On December 02 2009 21:10 G.s)NarutO wrote: F91 has to make top 12 ladder to be allowed to play... I don't think that's gonna be a problem | ||
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Lucid90
Canada340 Posts
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DarthThienAn
United States2734 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
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nicoaldo
Argentina939 Posts
On December 02 2009 21:54 meeple wrote: I've never had any problems with Scforall player... no idea why so many people here are raggin on it so much. same for me, actually it loads way faster than youtube for me. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
It is fair that we invite the chinese since they've invited us. But also it's abit sad that the people who can't make money on this game never gets a break. | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
10/10 for honest opinions^^ greg im gonna tripple 8rax u when u sleep :D dont u understand i do this cheese just when it works? foreigners dont know shit about scouting intel or countering early game cheese, i could even 6rax white ra how sad is that? i can win straight up against pretty much anyone but the good tvt gamers but its faster pts to cheese ~~ and when i did 6rax against zpux at dreamhack at desti when he 8pylon scout he saw something was up but he expected a bbs, i mean top foreigners recognize when its cheese but they cant split hair of 8rax or dual 8rax or to a 6rax which is ridiculous xd and yes about terran, he is really good and has impressed me too :p (hes bm and immature tho) all ive seen of nyoken is a 2fac running into my vult fe spider mines and good manner xd oh and last, about that ret and the chinese part, i totally agree with ret. and im not just saying that cause of the lag issues or the part that they own me 1x1. but its the whole idea that they play in TSL. i see the chinese like koreans but worse, they dont talk, they cant talk with us. they have their own events and they are totally fine without us | ||
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Toads
Canada1795 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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costini
Portugal1 Post
They can be some sons of bitches but I shouldn't call them that, understand my point of view? Do something about this. Ret even if agree with most of things you say that doesn't mean you can be all that square. I had to register myself to explain that sometimes you can't be an idiot or a jerk like others to prove anything at all. I won't even talk about Idra which the impression I have from his exposure is simple. An ugly idiot who thinks is someone because he can play a video game and is not THAT good and it's the first time I get to say this here... jezzz YOU ARE FUCKING UGLY IDRA, I CRAP MYSELF EACH TIME I SEE YOU. Ret you, who usualy, are more coerent wtf men? Sometimes you need to make an effort to keep things smooth. Suggest things don't get all fucked up and start firing all directions, so what chinese SC players are idiots because they don't give a fuck about the game in sentimental way, let them be... let globalization take its natural course. When you start owning thoose guys things will get much more pleasent, besides about the lag it's simple.. create a rule. Ping over "XXX" you get a W.O. so lag won't be an excuze, if they make the effort they deserve if they don't give shit well kick them out of tournament, give them a choice. And about Castro, I 100% agree with you, but be cautious about saying certain things, it's enough saying I don't care about that player.. it's a nice way saying you don't like him and you don't give a fuck no need to say "I HATE HIM". Chill men, live is not suppose to me lived with hate. PS: Idra i don't hate you, I just think you are really ugly and not funny... you are very ugly too Artosis but you are funny so it might get you one ugly girl at least. Ret do some fucking exercise, won't you ever loose some weight? (i'm joking i don't give a fuck what you guys do with your life, but learn to be less arrogant and be more coerent) Good Luck in Korea and hope to see you on TV MBC or OGN. | ||
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