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MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
November 08 2009 20:23 GMT
#101
You know kespa didn't kill gom but its the lack of interest from the other teams that killed it?
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
November 08 2009 20:26 GMT
#102
KeSpa IS the teams...
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
November 08 2009 20:44 GMT
#103
Savior just can't catch a break these days.
[21:07] <Shock710> whats wrong with her face [20:50] <dAPhREAk> i beat it the day after it came out | <BLinD-RawR> esports is a giant vagina
zeppelin
Profile Joined December 2007
United States565 Posts
November 08 2009 21:03 GMT
#104
On November 06 2009 10:29 justiceknight wrote:
I really dont see how do you compare a good sponsor and a bad sponsor,what difference would it make?


prestige and brand cachet - the perception of an event's prestige is related to the prestige of the organizations sponsoring it. it gives the impression that the sponsorship is something very sought after and the event must therefore be an important and captivating one. Seeing a large company like coca-cola or proctor & gamble (pringles) sponsor a league gives it a much greater perception of credibility than a string of shitty MMOs that don't last a year.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
November 08 2009 21:21 GMT
#105
M&M MSL!

MMM

Trust 神教教主 FlaSh | Believe 火心 EffOrt
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
November 08 2009 21:45 GMT
#106
Late sponsor is nothing new.
The problem lies within how this sport is being looked at. It's a team sport that is played in 1vs1s.
On one side you have the tennis like Grand Slam's, lots of prestige for a player, big hype and prices and on the other side this heavy focus on a team league. The problem is that both is played at the same time, all the time.

Imagine Federer to play Wimbledon on Saturday and then Davis Cup on Sunday. That would be physicaly counter productiv like hell. But since broodwar players are that much more tied to their team and korean work ethic is kinda insane good players squeeze themselves out to the maximum. Until they loose focus and crash. Tell me, why does a team like SKT1 need more than 20 players? Just imagine how many hours upon hours most of these players do nothing else but practice. They don't play in any individual league, they dont play in proleague and suprisingly, online events barely exist. Shure there are bench-players in all sports but give me a break.

There is something fundamentaly wrong in how this sport is "played out" in that we want both at the same time all the time. Just try transfer the system to any other sport on this planet, it's a totaly insane and fragile composition. And not just for the players, but the teams and sponsors too.

Is a player to blame for playing so much? Is a coach to blame for sending out his ace so much? No! But at some point they should decide what this sport is. Either we focus on individual leagues, treat it like tennis, lots of grand slams and trow in the occasional "cup" OR go down the team road, tone down individual leagues and build up on the winners league <-> normal system thing.

We simply can't have both. And if kespa wasnt that greedy they would realise that!
Yes this game is great, yes i love it as a fan, so STOP fucking it up, give these players some space, make it worthwhile for the sponsors to stick around and start using your fucking brains to make it a better expirience for the fans!
FieryBalrog
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1381 Posts
November 09 2009 06:27 GMT
#107
This is really sad.

Anyway, I feel that the SC pro-scene has been gradually dwindling in Korea over the past year or so. Not enough interesting characters to follow in the narratives of the leagues.
I will eat you alive
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 07:00:18
November 09 2009 07:00 GMT
#108
On November 09 2009 15:27 FieryBalrog wrote:
This is really sad.

Anyway, I feel that the SC pro-scene has been gradually dwindling in Korea over the past year or so. Not enough interesting characters to follow in the narratives of the leagues.


I'm really sorry you feel that way.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
sky_slasher
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States328 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-09 23:48:10
November 09 2009 23:47 GMT
#109
This appears to be MBC responding to an user's question about whether the Group Selection will occur:

http://www.mbcgame.co.kr/client/VI_Board_View.asp?Top_CD=G_VI&Sub_Title=BBS&Sub_sTitle=bbs&page=1&itemid=23359&txt_Search=&txt_Key

There's gonna be Group Selection on the 19th, this post by MBC Game said.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
November 10 2009 00:05 GMT
#110
On November 10 2009 08:47 sky_slasher wrote:
This appears to be MBC responding to an user's question about whether the Group Selection will occur:

http://www.mbcgame.co.kr/client/VI_Board_View.asp?Top_CD=G_VI&Sub_Title=BBS&Sub_sTitle=bbs&page=1&itemid=23359&txt_Search=&txt_Key

There's gonna be Group Selection on the 19th, this post by MBC Game said.


Crap that means two group selections in two nights for me. I'm going to be useless at work on Friday 20th lol.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
November 10 2009 00:26 GMT
#111
looks like MBC finally found a sponsor, wonder who it's going to be.

Hope not another game -____-;;
POGGERS
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
November 10 2009 00:28 GMT
#112
COLBERT NATION MSL!

anyone?
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
November 10 2009 00:57 GMT
#113
Pringles needs to sponsor this again. Seriously.
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 10 2009 00:58 GMT
#114
Maple Story MSL
RIP Aaliyah
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
November 10 2009 01:03 GMT
#115
On November 10 2009 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Maple Story MSL

holy fuck
POGGERS
d_so
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Korea (South)3262 Posts
November 10 2009 01:06 GMT
#116
On November 09 2009 15:27 FieryBalrog wrote:
This is really sad.

Anyway, I feel that the SC pro-scene has been gradually dwindling in Korea over the past year or so. Not enough interesting characters to follow in the narratives of the leagues.


no one cares what you feel if you have no proof to back it up. gdiaf
manner
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
November 10 2009 01:06 GMT
#117
On November 10 2009 10:03 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2009 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Maple Story MSL

holy fuck

im hoping for the K-On! MSL

that doesn't even make sense but it wold be really awesome
RIP Aaliyah
FConnectionUK *
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States316 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-10 01:31:29
November 10 2009 01:29 GMT
#118
On November 06 2009 11:57 d_so wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2009 10:57 MuffinDude wrote:
Aww don't fail on me now msl. This is the only league that jangbi does well in. =( and if you go away, stork can't get his double gold.
On November 06 2009 10:53 p4NDemik wrote:
Agreed Stylish. The OSL/PL would have to become massively popular to conteract a major player in the BW scene just dropping of the scene.

At this stage none of this banter we're having really matters - the fate of StarCraft in Korea will lie with SC2 anyways. If it succeeds then there will be continued expansion/growth, and if it doesn't then the industry will become a smaller and smaller niche.

Starcraft community isn't getting smaller so thats good. There are more and more progamers around. I predict that sc2 will be just another game. They might have separate leagues for it, but it won't go mainstream. Thats only my speculation, so yea.


you guys are talking about a nation that still uses internet explorer 6.0 and windows xp.

this is a stereotype but there is truth it: koreans stick to what they know and what they feel they have a connection or 정 with. they won't move over to sc2 even if it's better. maybe after a year or two some people will start to switch over, but i'm willing to bet that sc2 won't replace starcraft, it'll just compete with it.

simply put, MSL having a late sponsor is nothing new and is not a sign of diminishing demand for BW.


Korea is one of the fastest trend changing country in the world. If you buy a phone today in Korea, by tomorrow, your phone's outdated. Your phone has to be changed daily if you want to keep up.

Microsoft always release its new patch in Korea first. Windows ME, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7? First stop? Korea. Korea will never ever delay upgrading its patch, even if they dont know if there are any risks or not. Trend is what's more important, not what's best. Nobody wants to be outdated. If its the hot stuff, Korean has to update it.

But yes, Korean culture value its 정 or connection alot more. But that doesn't mean they will always stay the same. I believe SC2 will have a huge impact on starcraft.

Lineage 1 was suppose to be the best mmorph game at the time in Korea. Lineage 2 came out, everyone complained how it did not live up to its reputation. Still, how many players do you see playing lineage 1 still? Not many.
SC:BW - NrG.fCuk // SC2 - NrGGuN
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
November 10 2009 01:33 GMT
#119
On November 09 2009 06:45 Jayson X wrote:
Late sponsor is nothing new.
The problem lies within how this sport is being looked at. It's a team sport that is played in 1vs1s.
On one side you have the tennis like Grand Slam's, lots of prestige for a player, big hype and prices and on the other side this heavy focus on a team league. The problem is that both is played at the same time, all the time.

Imagine Federer to play Wimbledon on Saturday and then Davis Cup on Sunday. That would be physicaly counter productiv like hell. But since broodwar players are that much more tied to their team and korean work ethic is kinda insane good players squeeze themselves out to the maximum. Until they loose focus and crash. Tell me, why does a team like SKT1 need more than 20 players? Just imagine how many hours upon hours most of these players do nothing else but practice. They don't play in any individual league, they dont play in proleague and suprisingly, online events barely exist. Shure there are bench-players in all sports but give me a break.

There is something fundamentaly wrong in how this sport is "played out" in that we want both at the same time all the time. Just try transfer the system to any other sport on this planet, it's a totaly insane and fragile composition. And not just for the players, but the teams and sponsors too.

Is a player to blame for playing so much? Is a coach to blame for sending out his ace so much? No! But at some point they should decide what this sport is. Either we focus on individual leagues, treat it like tennis, lots of grand slams and trow in the occasional "cup" OR go down the team road, tone down individual leagues and build up on the winners league <-> normal system thing.

We simply can't have both. And if kespa wasnt that greedy they would realise that!
Yes this game is great, yes i love it as a fan, so STOP fucking it up, give these players some space, make it worthwhile for the sponsors to stick around and start using your fucking brains to make it a better expirience for the fans!


This. A million times this.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
November 10 2009 01:33 GMT
#120
it's you!
ModeratorGood content always wins.
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