EPTWhy MSL Group Selection cancelled? - Page 4
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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Ideas
United States8088 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
How much would be needed in order to sponsor MSL? :D | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:29 Holgerius wrote: How much would be needed in order to sponsor MSL? :D Probably about 70k? i honestly dont have the slightest clue but its not like TL will ever consider this anyway. TL is not a company nor does it need publicity in Korea. That and Im pretty sure MSL will be able to find a sponsor. | ||
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Athos
United States2484 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:28 p4NDemik wrote: Paraphrasing one commentator's words counts as the collective opinion of hundreds of progamers? Obviously not. Therefore, he must be psychic. He has a valid point regardless of whether or not hundreds of progamers support it or not. Having this many games is bad for E-sports and the players associated with it. This is a hot button issue, and one that has been debated in previous threads.The problems that so many leagues and games create are fairly obvious. A) Player creativity: To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand on this one. It's true, that Boxer and Nal-Ra had much more time to come up with strategies back in the day. However, much of that play is archaic, even invalid with the way the game has rapidly changed over the years. It's true, there are some very high level, entertaining games , but there's also a lot of boring macrofests that nobody likes. Again, it's a controversial issue. B) Player's health: I can take a firmer stance on this issue. One often wonders what the consequences would be of practicing 14 hours a day. The results may lead to incredibly mutalisk control, but at what price? How often have we heard interviews where the winning player proudly declares that they skimped out on sleep so that they may stay up all night practicing? Look at Stork. He looks thinner than a ragdoll. Not too long ago Oov passed out when practicing for heritage league. And is it alright that Jaedong is getting Lasik surgery at his age? Also, what are the long term consequences on mental health. Again, it's something to think about. Now, while the death of a league (if it's even dieing which it sounds like it's not) is never a good thing, perhaps it can have positive benefits on the players. One less league to practice for could increase the emphasis placed on proleague. To be honest though, I would take MSL + OSL and kill the proleague instead of OSL + proleague. The OSL and MSL have been around for a long time now; they have significant status in the broodwar world. Winning the Proleague seems so much less meaningful to me than an MSL or OSL title. | ||
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p53
297 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:17 iLoveKT wrote: Bisu is screwed lol. lol this was my first thought as well. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:30 Frits wrote: Probably about 70k? i honestly dont have the slightest clue but its not like TL will ever consider this anyway. TL is not a company nor does it need publicity in Korea. That and Im pretty sure MSL will be able to find a sponsor. Heroes of Newerth MSL | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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nadafanboy42
Netherlands209 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Blizzard can bypass the Kespa ban on it by creating a separate and independent subsidiary. WoW MSL It is destiny, and Stork is the main character. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66158 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:44 dukethegold wrote: Blizzard can bypass the Kespa ban on it by creating a separate and independent subsidiary. WoW MSL It is destiny, and Stork is the main character. Stork gets to play his WoW character in the finals | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:40 nadafanboy42 wrote: I always feel that these people calling for less leagues are being extremely selfish and short-sighted. Starcraft growing smaller and stagnating remaining a tiny niche-club may be good for your own ability to watch the games, but it is not good for the players. Maybe the games were better in the old days, but it was not better for the players (remember Silent Control fainting? Or just try to find an interview with the OZ guys about their PLUS days). If anything what Starcraft needs imo is more leagues. The problem right now is that there is nothing in between amateur tournaments and the top s-class leagues, all pro players compete in all tournaments. There should be a minor league where the b-teamers can participate and get used to being on tv, so that the S-class players can cherry-pick the important tournaments and focus on those. More concretely, instead of lessening the number of proleague matches, keep the current number, but force teams to set up two rosters an A-team and a B-team, and split the matches between A-team and B-team matches. What company in their right mind would want to purchase advertising time on a TV show that broadcasted games like Juni versus Spear. And what actual viewership would sit around and want to watch that? There is nothing keeping Starcraft from booming and getting bigger except the fact that the Korean audience only has a set amount of people that want to watch. Korea's population is only so big. You can't justify paying millions of dollars on buying ads and sponsorships if the viewership is only 20-30K ppl. (I don't know the actual viewership but it's never going to be American Idol level simply because there aren't that many Koreans). What your proposing would take a LOT MORE MONEY. The business fundamentals of what you're talking about do not exist. You can't wish these things into being. Minor leagues like in baseball don't work in Starcraft. Baseball has MUCH more money coming in. They can afford to set up an entire league that nobody watches just for the profitability of scouting a star from there. That's how big money is in the sport. Starcraft doesn't have that kind of buying power. That's why the salaries suck ass. That's why the players have no bargaining power. That's why there are NOT that many players and teams period! If the sport drew a lot more money then there would be a lot more teams and there would be a lot more players. Aces wouldn't be so overworked because there would be 30-40 man rosters to choose from. Then again Starcraft will never play like a baseball/football/basketball. You don't have Kobe Bryant playing individual leagues while he's trying to take his team to the playoffs. Starcraft is different. And the reality is the GOOD players right now are being overworked. | ||
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:19 konadora wrote: It would fit the MMO history, if NCSoft became a sponsor. It could be called the 2009 Aion MSL.Look at their recent sponsors... Club Day Online, Avalon Online, Lost Saga... | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:18 p4NDemik wrote: The issues regarding the players you mentioned being overworked are first and foremost the biproduct of the insane amount of Proleague games. Despite their remarks that they didn't have much time to prepare, etc. it's still quite a stretch to think that they'd rather not have that league around to play in. In almost every tournament you have just as many players who have only that opportunity to prove themselves (outside of a spare few PL games at most) as you do overworked aces like Flash and Jaedong. To cite the exceptional cases of these elite few players and say that the whole of progamers would be better off without the MSL because their teams overplay their aces during Proleague is preposterous. They'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. I hear you and I agree with some of your points. Of course they'd like more chances at winning a championship. No player would turn that down. But as a viewer, can you honestly say you got excited about a Luxury vs Zero semifinal? These last few years, I've seen a lot of the great players just straight up drop out of a league because they don't want to split their attention between two of them. The truth is crappier player are advancing when they shouldn't. I'm not saying this as some butthurt fanboy who's star player got beaten in an upset. It's games where one player obviously did not have time to prepare and just comes out playing whatever. Doing proxies every game or trying to 12 nex/14cc etc, while the other guy has customized precision hanbangs every game. This type of behavior is also why the era of Bonjwas no longer exists and it doesn't help the sport at all! The viewers get lower quality games. Why? Because Flash is in two leagues, so he'll show up to OSL and rape, but then the next night he'll have PL and then the MSL and he'll drop to Upmagic (not using a real example here, but i'm sure someone less lazy could dig them up). That's a series he's equipped to win. Instead, he just drops out. On top of that, the leagues get hurt because LESS fans come out. Not everyone is a hardcore I <3 every game of SC played type of fan. Many of them like a single player. If that player is playing, they come out in droves. If that player isn't, then they all stay home and don't give a damn for the rest of the year. This is why the era of Boxer, Iloveoov, Yellow, Reach, Savior etc is like a golden age for SC fans. It's when they could follow someone they truly loved and watch them play again and again. Nowadays, gamers are like a dime a dozen. All of a sudden there's a baby, and an effort, and a calm, and etc etc. The fanbase can't take diffusing into a million different gamers at once. That's not what people enjoy. They like a narrative they can follow. A narrative that is interrupted by a Bonjwa getting owned by Pure or Frozean fucks with fans' heads. You know how much more money they would have made with a Jaedong vs Bisu final the last 2 years? Or a Stork-Flash final? And that's also why there's a slight bias towards the OSL over the MSL. Most of the players, if they have to choose between the two, tend to focus on their OSL games and just hope for the best in MSL. That is exactly what brought about this OSL > MSL idea. And if the fans aren't coming out, neither are the sponsors. That means no money, which means no leagues. And that is what would truly be cutting off the nose to spite the face. I'm telling you, this push to increase volume is not going to keep SC alive. It's going to do the opposite. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:19 konadora wrote: MSL always had problem finding good sponsors. Look at their recent sponsors... Club Day Online, Avalon Online, Lost Saga... -_____- WHO IS THE GOLF KING WHO I ASK YOU | ||
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:58 d_so wrote: i like how pandemik's getting crushed on by a sub 50 poster lol its pretty funny | ||
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DIMJkE
Bulgaria425 Posts
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