EPTBut who said that the OSL wasn't "bigger" and more prestigous than the MSL? Hmmm.
(i fail)
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
But who said that the OSL wasn't "bigger" and more prestigous than the MSL? Hmmm. (i fail) | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:01 On_Slaught wrote: I'll prob get some slack for this... But who said that the OSL wasn't "bigger" and more prestigous than the MSL? Hmmm. some "slack"? lol | ||
Arrian
United States889 Posts
On November 06 2009 07:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: I hope MSL does not happen. There are too many leagues already in Starcraft. The quality of the games is going down for the most part. Way too much just spammage of games and conventional play. I'm tired of it and the progamers are too. There is nothing fun about playing SC like a machine. Like Nal-Ra said, there would be a lot more creativity if they weren't playing 3 games a week. There should be one individual leage and one PL. That is PLENTY! I'd rather watch 1 good game than 5 mediocre ones. I thought they said that they were going to a 3 day a week Proleague, and I figured that would solve the clear problem of market saturation, thus far though no luck. I'm almost sure that losing a league isn't the best solution though. GOM dying was necessary, and now Proleague needs to cut back. Losing a league though, that's huge, because that's almost a blow that cannot be recovered from. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 06 2009 07:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: I hope MSL does not happen. There are too many leagues already in Starcraft. The quality of the games is going down for the most part. Way too much just spammage of games and conventional play. I'm tired of it and the progamers are too. There is nothing fun about playing SC like a machine. Like Nal-Ra said, there would be a lot more creativity if they weren't playing 3 games a week. There should be one individual leage and one PL. That is PLENTY! I'd rather watch 1 good game than 5 mediocre ones. Dude can you teach me your ESP methods? I really want to know about the personal wishes of every single progamer. I'm sure there's plenty to be made in this line of psychic tutelage. PM ME IMMEDIATELY. | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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agen
Barbados111 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:13 p4NDemik wrote: Dude can you teach me your ESP methods? I really want to know about the personal wishes of every single progamer. I'm sure there's plenty to be made in this line of psychic tutelage. PM ME IMMEDIATELY. He was paraphrasing from lilsusie's interview. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:19 heyoka wrote: MSL was the one that changed the rules to some super screwy bo3/bo5 system last spring right? The one where even bo3s were played out over 2 weeks? Or was that both individual leagues? They changed their MST schedule to have the groups all play out in 1 day, so I think it's likely they'll change the MSL matches as well. | ||
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:20 agen wrote: He was paraphrasing from lilsusie's interview. Paraphrasing one commentator's words counts as the collective opinion of hundreds of progamers? Obviously not. Therefore, he must be psychic. | ||
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Nitan
United States3401 Posts
On November 06 2009 07:30 XsebT wrote: Welcome to the real world kespa. - I see this as good news, as kespa is in a position so commanding that it is only bad for the game and its' players. - Kespa is made for money, not for quality. Maybe if MBC was made for money it would be able to make the MSL work. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On November 06 2009 08:28 p4NDemik wrote: Paraphrasing one commentator's words counts as the collective opinion of hundreds of progamers? Obviously not. Therefore, he must be psychic. Have you been living in another world? The fatigue of the players is quite obvious and many many of them have stated in interviews that they wanted to quit or stopped liking the game because of the tremendous workload. Flash has said this. Stork has said this. JangBi has SHOWN this. Many, many other gamers have expressed similar sentiments. I just can't honestly name all of them right now because my memory's not good enough. But nearly across the board, the A-team progamers have protested the number of games they're being forced to play. Only the B-team members who never get to play are excited and talk about showing better results, yadda yadda in the future. Right now SC is in a sad state. The cream of the crop are so worn down that they aren't showing their ability half the games. They just look tired and want to rely on their superior mechanics/decision making in-game rather than putting their all into prepping for series. Look at what they've said in interviews. "(Laughs) Actually, I had no time to prepare for this series. I was only able to play a few games in the waiting room before the actual match started." How many times have we heard a line like that come out of the WINNER interviewee's mouth? Please don't be sarcastic and act like I'm some nutjob who is pretending to talk for the progamers. I am repeating their words from their interviews and from their performances. It is obvious as hell that the working conditions for SC progamers is a mess right now. Just look at the FA fiasco. It all feeds into the same issues of terrible work conditions and a total disrespect for the actual e-sport. | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Go make a donation thread to raise $10 million dollars and we are set. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 06 2009 07:47 StorkHwaiting wrote: I hope MSL does not happen. There are too many leagues already in Starcraft. The quality of the games is going down for the most part. Way too much just spammage of games and conventional play. I'm tired of it and the progamers are too. There is nothing fun about playing SC like a machine. Like Nal-Ra said, there would be a lot more creativity if they weren't playing 3 games a week. There should be one individual leage and one PL. That is PLENTY! I'd rather watch 1 good game than 5 mediocre ones. Less leagues means less players and exposure as well. I don't like the idea of the sc scene growing any smaller than it is already. Not to mention that the players in the quarterfinals in both individual leagues are usually very different. The spammage of games comes mostly from preliminaries. | ||
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Ethelis
United States2400 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:08 nayumi wrote: Team Liquid MSL anyone? Go make a donation thread to raise $10 million dollars and we are set. all joking aside, i wonder how much money TL can raise for a huge event or something O.o | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Most people aren't in both leagues and have plenty of time to practice don't they? | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:02 StorkHwaiting wrote: Have you been living in another world? The fatigue of the players is quite obvious and many many of them have stated in interviews that they wanted to quit or stopped liking the game because of the tremendous workload. Flash has said this. Stork has said this. JangBi has SHOWN this. Many, many other gamers have expressed similar sentiments. I just can't honestly name all of them right now because my memory's not good enough. But nearly across the board, the A-team progamers have protested the number of games they're being forced to play. Only the B-team members who never get to play are excited and talk about showing better results, yadda yadda in the future. Right now SC is in a sad state. The cream of the crop are so worn down that they aren't showing their ability half the games. They just look tired and want to rely on their superior mechanics/decision making in-game rather than putting their all into prepping for series. Look at what they've said in interviews. "(Laughs) Actually, I had no time to prepare for this series. I was only able to play a few games in the waiting room before the actual match started." How many times have we heard a line like that come out of the WINNER interviewee's mouth? Please don't be sarcastic and act like I'm some nutjob who is pretending to talk for the progamers. I am repeating their words from their interviews and from their performances. It is obvious as hell that the working conditions for SC progamers is a mess right now. Just look at the FA fiasco. It all feeds into the same issues of terrible work conditions and a total disrespect for the actual e-sport. The issues regarding the players you mentioned being overworked are first and foremost the biproduct of the insane amount of Proleague games. Despite their remarks that they didn't have much time to prepare, etc. it's still quite a stretch to think that they'd rather not have that league around to play in. In almost every tournament you have just as many players who have only that opportunity to prove themselves (outside of a spare few PL games at most) as you do overworked aces like Flash and Jaedong. To cite the exceptional cases of these elite few players and say that the whole of progamers would be better off without the MSL because their teams overplay their aces during Proleague is preposterous. They'd be cutting off their nose to spite their face. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
On November 06 2009 09:14 xMiragex wrote: all joking aside, i wonder how much money TL can raise for a huge event or something O.o probably about 20 to 50 k | ||
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Singapore66366 Posts
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Frits
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