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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On October 26 2009 08:49 kyama wrote: Do you guys think this will effect the future of esports in Korea? It will certainly slow down the development of eSports outside Korea. GOM was the first Korean company to recognise the potential of the foreign audience and bring official english commentary of professional SC matches. As such, the forced ending of Intel-Classic preety much represents a step backwards. | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 23 2009 22:12 KlaCkoN wrote: Why would kespa need any acceptance from blizzard to do a SC2 league at all? If you look at the current situation they don't anywhere in their marketing include names or symbols copyrighted by blizzard. Yeah I guess blizzard can be dicks and just randomly unplug their bnet servers during an OSL final or something but legally I don't think they can deny someone the right to stream played games. Except that the legal details are COMPLETELY different with SC2. Do you ever wonder why Blizzard is making it so the ONLY way you can play multiplayer is via their battle.net servers? So they have 100% legal jurisdiction over the game. KESPA will have absolutely no basis to make a league off of when they are forced to use the battle.net servers to play, and I'm pretty damn sure that Blizzard (this time around) will fill any legal loopholes so servers like iCCup aren't legal for SC2. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 25 2009 21:06 Chrispy wrote: Some great youtube English casters are Diggity, Cholera, Husky & for a great mix of dual commentaries, check out Violetak. The problem is that none of us commentators can cover anything fully (seeing as we commentate as a side-project to help out - we don't get paid to do this...), so you'll never have full coverage of anything. Why should Kespa care about the foreign scene? Uh, because e-sports are growing outside Asia and SC2 is going to be under complete and utter control of an AMERICAN company once it comes out. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 27 2009 02:35 Stratos_speAr wrote: Except that the legal details are COMPLETELY different with SC2. Do you ever wonder why Blizzard is making it so the ONLY way you can play multiplayer is via their battle.net servers? So they have 100% legal jurisdiction over the game. KESPA will have absolutely no basis to make a league off of when they are forced to use the battle.net servers to play, and I'm pretty damn sure that Blizzard (this time around) will fill any legal loopholes so servers like iCCup aren't legal for SC2. As I said already I don't believe that blizzard would take total control of competetive sc2 but well if they decide to then I will pirate sc2 for the campaign and never buy another game from them ever again =p | ||
Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 27 2009 03:11 heyoka wrote: KeSPA has shown time and time again they are utterly incompetent in running their own leagues, whats wrong with blizzard trying their hand at it? Say what one will about kespa but the industry they built around starcraft in korea is the most successful esports phenomenon to date. To be truly sucessful a game must start to live on its own, to survive long after the company behind it no longer gains any money from it and long after they stop caring. If sc2 esports become dependent on blizzard then I fear it will die the second blizzard comes out with their next title. How often does the map pool in wc3 change? My understanding is that many of the ladder maps are the same now as they were 5 years ago? That's another example of what happens when a slow, bureaucratic game _developer_ gets put in charge. Say what you want about kespa but they care for sc and only sc, blizzard can never give us that. | ||
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gunsakimbo
United States38 Posts
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broz0rs
United States2294 Posts
On October 27 2009 03:46 KlaCkoN wrote: Say what one will about kespa but the industry they built around starcraft in korea is the most successful esports phenomenon to date. To be truly sucessful a game must start to live on its own, to survive long after the company behind it no longer gains any money from it and long after they stop caring. If sc2 esports become dependent on blizzard then I fear it will die the second blizzard comes out with their next title. How often does the map pool in wc3 change? My understanding is that many of the ladder maps are the same now as they were 5 years ago? That's another example of what happens when a slow, bureaucratic game _developer_ gets put in charge. Say what you want about kespa but they care for sc and only sc, blizzard can never give us that. you have some valid points, and there's no arguing that Kespa allowed SC to become what it is in Korea. The problem is that SC is not their product, and Kespa's treatment of the progaming scene is enforcing policies in which no other company can use SC to promote itself. the other thing that's really coming into light is the treatment of players. The last FA period was an absolute debacle. The top player in the world could not leave his team, and did not get the best offer that was possible for him. Ultimately, players are mostly kids, and Kespa takes full advantage of this and their bureaucratic policies to maintain a stranglehold in esports. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 27 2009 04:25 psion0011 wrote: Nobody who was in KESPA in the days, when they made starcraft a success, is in KESPA anymore (source: SDM), so all that bullshit about "building the esports industry" is irrelevant. How is it irrelevant? People come and go, it's been 11 years afterall. The point is that blizzard had nothing to do with it. If some new (better) organization manages to overtake kespa I would be totally fine with that, but it needs to be based on based on the community around the game. Blizzard must let the game live its own life, otherwise it will never outshine brood war. | ||
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gunsakimbo
United States38 Posts
On October 27 2009 04:48 KlaCkoN wrote: How is it irrelevant? People come and go, it's been 11 years afterall. The point is that blizzard had nothing to do with it. If some new (better) organization manages to overtake kespa I would be totally fine with that, but it needs to be based on based on the community around the game. Blizzard must let the game live its own life, otherwise it will never outshine brood war. I tend to generally agree with you. Only problem is that KESPA doesn't seem to want SC to grow outside of it's own reign... thereby stifling the growth of SC eSports in its own unique way. | ||
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On October 27 2009 03:46 KlaCkoN wrote: Say what one will about kespa but the industry they built around starcraft in korea is the most successful esports phenomenon to date. To be truly sucessful a game must start to live on its own, to survive long after the company behind it no longer gains any money from it and long after they stop caring. If sc2 esports become dependent on blizzard then I fear it will die the second blizzard comes out with their next title. How often does the map pool in wc3 change? My understanding is that many of the ladder maps are the same now as they were 5 years ago? That's another example of what happens when a slow, bureaucratic game _developer_ gets put in charge. Say what you want about kespa but they care for sc and only sc, blizzard can never give us that. Interesting assumption, given that the last patch (from Blizzard) was less than a year ago. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 27 2009 05:54 heyoka wrote: Interesting assumption, given that the last patch (from Blizzard) was less than a year ago. They still do bug fixes, cool? I fail to se how that has anything at all to do with brood wars status as an "esport". Blizzard stopped caring for competetive bw when they stopped supporting the official ladder years and years ago. | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
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FakeKisser
United States159 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On October 27 2009 06:00 KlaCkoN wrote: They still do bug fixes, cool? I fail to se how that has anything at all to do with brood wars status as an "esport". Blizzard stopped caring for competetive bw when they stopped supporting the official ladder years and years ago. And since then they've hosted a number of invitational tournaments with nice prizes =/? | ||
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