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On September 04 2009 14:01 wok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 13:55 Nevuk wrote: Really good players who probably have all their mouse click timings memorized for the mouse they use might not want to use this. (It shouldn't be forced on, should be an option to disable in the launcher) You guys are smearing my stuff! It's good, I promise. there is no "timing" memorized. It's just "as fast as I can that it'll still register." Haha but I mean like some people might be used to the lag in their mouses, most pros are very picky about their mice and keyboards iirc, always using the same ones.
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It's true but also meaningless.
Without my script, you're restricted from drag selecting for a moment or so when pressing a or p. The only time after pressing a or p where you're drag selecting is if you either a.) start chatting. b.) press escape
In both cases the alternative timeout of .5 seconds is plenty long enough so you don't miss a click, and plenty short enough so that after pressing escape you're good to go with selecting. I might consider pushing .5 to .25, but I REALLY don't think it's necessary. Please just try before commenting on how useful it is.
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I drag select immediately after pressing P when sending probes to mine from nexus' (to select my probes). That's the only time I can think of for that that would be common at all, and it is probably a bad habit.
I would try it but you took down the link haha. I'm saying that I'm almost positive that I would use it, but that there should be an option to allow someone not to use it if it was built-in to the launcher. (Like how you can turn off autoreplay in chaoslauncher although very few people would ever want to do that).
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so at best this would make older mouses the same as newer mouses in click response time, and at worst this would have no effect on newer mouses? Not considering that it could actually mess up newer mouses' click times.
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Just tested, I don't think there's anyway anyone would be fast enough to override the drag select thing. The intermittent . is really really annoying.
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On September 04 2009 12:16 wok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:14 PokePill wrote: attack + left click on a unit doesn't work, it deselects your units it does. That was the signature. :p Maybe a better signature is in order? Any suggestions? Just release a version with no signature? That's pretty unusable for me if I can't use attack + left click on a unit --a When I micro I use attack + left click on units, not right click
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On September 04 2009 14:20 Nevuk wrote: I drag select immediately after pressing P when sending probes to mine from nexus' (to select my probes). That's the only time I can think of for that that would be common at all, and it is probably a bad habit.
I would try it but you took down the link haha. I'm saying that I'm almost positive that I would use it, but that there should be an option to allow someone not to use it if it was built-in to the launcher. (Like how you can turn off autoreplay in chaoslauncher although very few people would ever want to do that).
That counts as a suggestion! (I forgot that p had more use than just patrol) Will fix in next version. As soon as I get a few more suggestions, I'll make my next release.
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On September 04 2009 14:34 Nevuk wrote: Just tested, I don't think there's anyway anyone would be fast enough to override the drag select thing. The intermittent . is really really annoying.
That would be the signature.
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On September 04 2009 14:50 HnR)Insane wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:16 wok wrote:On September 04 2009 12:14 PokePill wrote: attack + left click on a unit doesn't work, it deselects your units it does. That was the signature. :p Maybe a better signature is in order? Any suggestions? Just release a version with no signature? That's pretty unusable for me if I can't use attack + left click on a unit --a When I micro I use attack + left click on units, not right click
You can use attack left click. Download via link on the OP.
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To be honest I don't see why this would be considered any more of a hack than LAN Latency. The only reason the game isn't like this in the first place is because it was ahead of it's time. If they were to incorporate this into iCCup launcher it would be very useful. It's not a huge issue, but it does suck sometimes when you accidentally leave a group or two behind because your action speed is dependent on hardware.
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Nah, I'll wait for the unsigged version or a source release so I can remove the signature myself I play with BGHers, I have no desire to try to explain shit like that and be called a hacker.
e: I don't consider it a hack or cheating, but I also don't want to go around explaining shit like that, either. e2: nevermind, I mumble mumble
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On September 04 2009 15:02 HnR)Insane wrote:Nah, I'll wait for the unsigged version or a source release so I can remove the signature myself I play with BGHers, I have no desire to try to explain shit like that and be called a hacker. e: I don't consider it a hack or cheating, but I also don't want to go around explaining shit like that, either. e2: nevermind, I didn't just say that Man.... just pm me for source code... don't say stuff like this on the public thread!
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Nothing to see here folks
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On September 04 2009 15:28 HnR)Insane wrote: Nothing to see here folks Thank you
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wow, ppl like zulu_nation8 are the reason i'm against democratic systems. he was throwing rocks at something he didn't even understand, typical democratic behaviour, dont know shit but cry out loud.
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On September 03 2009 11:17 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2009 11:15 lazz wrote: are you sure about this? i've never had a problem 1a2a3aing, and im a protoss player...
maybe im just used to it after 10 years of playing and it's become hardwired into my brain to delay the clicks.. Maybe you 1a2a3a4a slowly. I have a g15 and I run into this problem frequently. i have a g4m3r keyboard so i have fast apm
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On September 04 2009 12:56 armed_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:48 lazz wrote: i honestly don't give a shit if my opponent is playing with one less key on the keyboard. i do care if he's running a script in the background which lets him more efficiently/easily execute commands in the game. You act as if there's some magic boundary between the computer and its peripherals that makes input modification on one side absolutely okay but a cardinal sin on the other. If a macro that gives you a click mouseup action is not okay, why is a good-quality mouse that's simply mechanically built to rebound quickly okay? It gives exactly the same advantage(actually moreso since it provides greater control.) Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting.
you got it exactly right. running scripts on the software side of things is hacking. having good physical hardware is not. of course there's 0 tolerance, of course it's a cardinal sin. as soon as we start running scripts to fix "a serious flaw in the way BW was programmed" what's next? fixing a serious flaw in how many units we can select? fixing a serious problem in only being able to run the game in a shitty low resolution? this is the best place to draw the line.
not to mention it's just terrible for the game if suddenly this rebound fix becomes so widespread that everyone is using it, forcing everyone else to get it etc. prisoner's dilemma. just because we could both run the script to improve our game doesn't mean we should. i like my starcraft the way it is right now thank you very much.
edit: "Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting." hahahah omg you have to be kidding me. you're justifying using something simply because it's undetectable and unenforceable? awesome logic bro
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On September 04 2009 20:26 lazz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 12:56 armed_ wrote:On September 04 2009 12:48 lazz wrote: i honestly don't give a shit if my opponent is playing with one less key on the keyboard. i do care if he's running a script in the background which lets him more efficiently/easily execute commands in the game. You act as if there's some magic boundary between the computer and its peripherals that makes input modification on one side absolutely okay but a cardinal sin on the other. If a macro that gives you a click mouseup action is not okay, why is a good-quality mouse that's simply mechanically built to rebound quickly okay? It gives exactly the same advantage(actually moreso since it provides greater control.) Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting. you got it exactly right. running scripts on the software side of things is hacking. having good physical hardware is not. of course there's 0 tolerance, of course it's a cardinal sin. as soon as we start running scripts to fix "a serious flaw in the way BW was programmed" what's next? fixing a serious flaw in how many units we can select? fixing a serious problem in only being able to run the game in a shitty low resolution? this is the best place to draw the line. not to mention it's just terrible for the game if suddenly this rebound fix becomes so widespread that everyone is using it, forcing everyone else to get it etc. prisoner's dilemma. just because we could both run the script to improve our game doesn't mean we should. i like my starcraft the way it is right now thank you very much. edit: "Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting." hahahah omg you have to be kidding me. you're justifying using something simply because it's undetectable and unenforceable? awesome logic bro
You are a moron.
So you can buy your way out of a problem if you have the time and money and thats ok. But a simple fix that ANYONE CAN USE IF THEY CHOOSE TO is CHEATING AND HACKING AND BAD.
People like you who somehow think that the shitty programing in bw make the game what it is are fucking dumb.
How about we allow people on iccup to leave games before 2 minutes and not get a loss if you scout their cheese? AFTERALL BLIZZARD CODED 2 MINUTES INTO THE WIN/LOSS SCREEN.
You really must not understand what this does. Its making the fucking mouse work the way its supposed to. You have to run out and get the fix? No you dont......play on the fucked up coding if you want nobody is stopping you. Everyone plays on lan lat now. Did you bitch when you had to go out and download the iccup launcher or chaos?
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On September 04 2009 22:05 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 20:26 lazz wrote:On September 04 2009 12:56 armed_ wrote:On September 04 2009 12:48 lazz wrote: i honestly don't give a shit if my opponent is playing with one less key on the keyboard. i do care if he's running a script in the background which lets him more efficiently/easily execute commands in the game. You act as if there's some magic boundary between the computer and its peripherals that makes input modification on one side absolutely okay but a cardinal sin on the other. If a macro that gives you a click mouseup action is not okay, why is a good-quality mouse that's simply mechanically built to rebound quickly okay? It gives exactly the same advantage(actually moreso since it provides greater control.) Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting. you got it exactly right. running scripts on the software side of things is hacking. having good physical hardware is not. of course there's 0 tolerance, of course it's a cardinal sin. as soon as we start running scripts to fix "a serious flaw in the way BW was programmed" what's next? fixing a serious flaw in how many units we can select? fixing a serious problem in only being able to run the game in a shitty low resolution? this is the best place to draw the line. not to mention it's just terrible for the game if suddenly this rebound fix becomes so widespread that everyone is using it, forcing everyone else to get it etc. prisoner's dilemma. just because we could both run the script to improve our game doesn't mean we should. i like my starcraft the way it is right now thank you very much. edit: "Not to mention that realistically this is completely undetectable if done right, so it's simply not feasible to enforce a ban on it in any online setting." hahahah omg you have to be kidding me. you're justifying using something simply because it's undetectable and unenforceable? awesome logic bro You are a moron. So you can buy your way out of a problem if you have the time and money and thats ok. But a simple fix that ANYONE CAN USE IF THEY CHOOSE TO is CHEATING AND HACKING AND BAD. People like you who somehow think that the shitty programing in bw make the game what it is are fucking dumb. How about we allow people on iccup to leave games before 2 minutes and not get a loss if you scout their cheese? AFTERALL BLIZZARD CODED 2 MINUTES INTO THE WIN/LOSS SCREEN. You really must not understand what this does. Its making the fucking mouse work the way its supposed to. You have to run out and get the fix? No you dont......play on the fucked up coding if you want nobody is stopping you. Everyone plays on lan lat now. Did you bitch when you had to go out and download the iccup launcher or chaos?
Calm down.
Anyways I am waiting to Iccup to add it to their launcher, if they don't add I just continue playing way its right now. I am not too much hassle adding too much extra stuff when I play broodwar, just iccup laucher is enough for me right now.
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If everyone could use it it would be good, this way its just a hack for me because as the OP said, it gives you a competetive edge.
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