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Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
August 20 2009 17:18 GMT
#41
I dont have fun playing PvP, but I think that all matchups can be exciting at progamer level.
PvP>ZvZ>TvT IMO.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 20 2009 17:47 GMT
#42
On August 20 2009 23:20 M2 wrote:
Units one uses in:
1) TvT
a) Frequently - Marines, Vultures, Tanks, Goliaths, Wraiths, Dropship
b) From time to time- Battlecruisers, Vessels
c) Very Rarerly - Valkiries, Ghosts and I even saw Firebats few times (landing barrack-killing scvs)

2) PvP
a) Frequently- Zealots, Dragoons, Darks, Templars, Archons, Reaver, Shuttel, Observers
b) From time to time - Arbiters (maybe we can put it in Frequently), Carriers
c) Very Rarely - Dark Archon

3) ZvZ
a) Frequently - Zerglings, Mutalisks, Scourges, Overlords (but we can as well exclude overlords since they are somehow just a thing that zerg have by default)
b) From time to time - none
c) Very Rarely&Never - The rest

I guess everyone will get my point, ZvZ although not particulary bad match up is the only heavy imbalanced one, meaning that starcraft is balnaced even in the mirror match ups- many units can come in handy.
ZvZ is total imbalance in that sense

To me ZvZ has just some of the starcraft qualities, every other match up has them all.

Dark archons have been seeing more use in pvp recently, the rarest units are Scouts. Sairs are really never used.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 17:48:25
August 20 2009 17:48 GMT
#43
ZvZ isn't imbalanced by that logic, Zergs have the most redundant units in any MU. How is that "imbalanced" either?
Jaedong
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
August 20 2009 21:31 GMT
#44
haha, this poll perfectly shows my views on Mirror matchups.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Ducci
Profile Joined April 2009
United States588 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 21:41:15
August 20 2009 21:40 GMT
#45
Favorite is PvP
Least favorite is TvT
I actually enjoy watching all mirror match ups (as long as I don't have to watch a bunch of TvTs in a row)
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 21:50:44
August 20 2009 21:43 GMT
#46
On August 21 2009 02:47 Nevuk wrote:Dark archons have been seeing more use in pvp recently, the rarest units are Scouts. Sairs are really never used.

I guess those scouts you talk about are for countering carriers? If it turns out like that and the carrier-toss notices it, a few sairs are the obvious choice as they rape scouts.
I've also seen sairs in pvp for hunting shuttles and scouting. Mostly on islandish maps though, which we don't see too frequently nowadays.


PvP (on somewhat normal maps) is plain boring. Always the same and always so slow. TvT has some great strategic play and I like that. ZvZ imo is the best mirror because of the high pace and the sick micro.

JvZ is no mirror, though!
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Rostam
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States2552 Posts
August 20 2009 21:46 GMT
#47
ZvZ is my favorite matchup to play but I don't often enjoy watching it. TvT is my second favorite matchup to watch after TvZ. PvP I generally hate but occasionally there are some good games.
BW forever || Thall
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
August 20 2009 21:47 GMT
#48
they're all terrible. imo zvz and pvp are the worst, b/c usually things are decided with one battle.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 20 2009 21:47 GMT
#49
PvP the best mirror , no doubt about that
ZvZ the worst ... just because of fact that we are seeing only 2-3 units used nearly ALL THE TIME (well there are some ZvZ gems but theyre fucking insanely rare)
i enjoy watching PvP with its variety of builds and cheeses , its just awesome !!!!!
T H C makes ppl happy
DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 22:05:30
August 20 2009 22:03 GMT
#50
TvT is the only mirror match I enjoy watching. Lots of room for tactics and you have to use the terrain more than in other match ups. Also the match up that is the most unique imo. The match up is very much shaped by the siege tanks mechanics.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 20 2009 22:21 GMT
#51
I like them a ton. They're all very unique and it's cool that there are 6 matchups that each play totally differently.
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-20 22:22:26
August 20 2009 22:22 GMT
#52
Out of all matchup's (no mirror included), PvP is my favourite to watch.Might be becouse of my understanding of it, or just love for the protoss race ^_^
Hate to watch TvT, unless it has Fantasy/Flash/Leta in it.
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
August 20 2009 23:34 GMT
#53
PvP gives the most similar feeling to non-mirror matchups; I think this might me due to the similar engagement tactics and strategies.
Also, PvP is not too short and repetitive or not too long and boring most of the times.
Personally, I love cheeses in PvP with zealots, shield batteries, gateways cleverly hidden away etc.


TvT can be epic at times, but when watching VODs, I just skip to the epic parts. TvT is sometimes just too damned slow to bring about a consistently elevated level of excitement.

ZvZ is repetitive, but can be exciting when people start doing more creative builds/tactics/strategies; I remember a few months ago when all ZvZs were basically the same game with different players to me. It's still kind of repetitive right now, but recent innovation has definately made this matchup more enjoyable for me as a viewer.
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GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
August 20 2009 23:41 GMT
#54
The ZvZ matchup pissed me off because there is no room for imagination, everything has to be done by the book pretty much.
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19346 Posts
August 20 2009 23:49 GMT
#55
i like none =/ they're all boring to me
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Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
August 21 2009 00:07 GMT
#56
who the hell likes TvT
it NEVER has battlecruiser battles i hope for >_>
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 21 2009 00:10 GMT
#57
It's such a surprise PvP is winning everything. Protoss isn't an overused race, after all.
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Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
August 21 2009 00:12 GMT
#58
I absolutely love pvp. I only find pvz more enjoyable to watch then pvp. pvp is also my favourite MU to play.
saikeraku
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada2933 Posts
August 21 2009 00:21 GMT
#59
I like ZvZ the most and PvP the less.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
August 21 2009 00:28 GMT
#60
ZvZ is awesome. It's funny that people hate the most micro-intensive matchup and yet claim to love micro-oriented players.
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