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United States5784 Posts
On August 20 2009 21:20 Magic84 wrote:
1.best ZvZ
super action packed, JvZs are extremely pleasant to watch, recent streak of ZvJs was not though.
2.worst PvP
same stuff, sometimes with dt usage resulting in bo win, but unlike ZvZ there is little action and ling vs ling is better than zeal vs zeal and muta vs muta is better than goon vs goon. Thank god this mu at least has reavers and hts.
3.no thanks </3
ZvT or PvT instead please
okay? there are rarely ever any purely zealot vs zealot and dragoon vs dragoon fights. they always fight in combination + reavers or HTs and even probes. any single unit composition fight is kinda boring and it happens the most in ZvZ.
i'd watch TvT with top players and PvP over TvZ anyday 
plus did you watch the recent violet vs horang2 game? man that was good
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short tvts, long zvz, no pvps
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On August 20 2009 22:12 29 fps wrote:
short tvts, long zvz, no pvps
what is a long zvz? One where mutalisks are seen?
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no he probably means like luxury vs yarnc or yellow vs ggplay long zvz. like...long lol
by the way, what if you really like all mirror match ups =( theres no option for that, i do...
and even for those of you that do not like ZvZ, yarnc vs jaedong should be an amazing series. i personally couldnt single out two players with better mutalist micro than these two at the moment (luxury perhaps). and im so rooting for yarnc its not even funny. but nice poll i am quite surprised at the results
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I really like to play and watch ZvZ. TvT can be fun to play but is usually boring to watch. PvP is just meh. Weirdly PvP 6v7 on hunters can be really fun, dont really know why, might be that is just hardcore micro and very basic actionpacked games.
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ZvZs is the best aslong as it doesnt turn into a 10-15 minutes long muta+ling game. Hydras is always shmexy. TvTs is boring since no matter what BO im not interested (if its Boxer vs someone then ill watch it but maybe not enjoy it as much as a good TvZ or TvP). PvP is a little better then TvT but its still not super interesting
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United States10774 Posts
top level PvP goon reaver battles are..epic. Bisu vs Stork on Chupung comes to mind
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In my mind PvP is by far the best. And this isn't even bias as a protoss user. The matchup simply has the most variations, from early game to late game.
I used to like TvT, but now I hate it with a passion. Not even big names bring about interest. Early game TvT is pretty nice, but once you get into the mid-game, it always dissolves into the same god damn thing.
Regardless, ZvZ is by far the worst matchup for a Bo5.
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Units one uses in:
1) TvT
a) Frequently - Marines, Vultures, Tanks, Goliaths, Wraiths, Dropship
b) From time to time- Battlecruisers, Vessels
c) Very Rarerly - Valkiries, Ghosts and I even saw Firebats few times (landing barrack-killing scvs)
2) PvP
a) Frequently- Zealots, Dragoons, Darks, Templars, Archons, Reaver, Shuttel, Observers
b) From time to time - Arbiters (maybe we can put it in Frequently), Carriers
c) Very Rarely - Dark Archon
3) ZvZ
a) Frequently - Zerglings, Mutalisks, Scourges, Overlords (but we can as well exclude overlords since they are somehow just a thing that zerg have by default)
b) From time to time - none
c) Very Rarely&Never - The rest
I guess everyone will get my point, ZvZ although not particulary bad match up is the only heavy imbalanced one, meaning that starcraft is balnaced even in the mirror match ups- many units can come in handy.
ZvZ is total imbalance in that sense
To me ZvZ has just some of the starcraft qualities, every other match up has them all.
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zvz>all
it's at least action packed
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ZvZ is the most repetitive probably, but at least they end quickly.
TvT is just outrageously boring watching the tanks siege, unsiege, inch 2 pixels, siege, unsiege.....
PvP is only exciting when u see reavers or dropship pop or a reaver destroy 20 probes.
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PvP is the most boring imo because it's often the most passive, atleast on my level. But then again so is TvT if the players are bad.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
On August 20 2009 23:24 natturner wrote:
PvP is only exciting when u see reavers or dropship pop or a reaver destroy 20 probes.
It's the only thing that made me hesitate for a bit before i voted it as the worst, scvs pop is just so much more satisfying though.
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On August 20 2009 22:14 mcgriddle wrote:what is a long zvz? One where mutalisks are seen?
there have been one or two where defilers, devourers and hydralisks were used. those are the awesome zvzs. otherwise, no thanks.
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I have a ZvZ that is almost an hour long..
poor fellows,
must be very tiresome playing a long zvz
=P
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PvP > TvT > ZvZ
Although if two good terrans are playing then TvT > *
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I like mirror matches of all kinds.
I especially love TvT though, I know it takes a ton of skill.
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After thinking about it...I really hate all of them.
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I don't know what's up with the ZvZ hate. It's such a cool MU, and most ppl say it's boring because they dont bother to try to understand it. Most of'em hardly know 3 basic builds, and probably have no idea how to micro mutas lings and scurges againt each other. It's so intense, no F-ing gay cheese (95% at least is straight up) micro intesive unit heavy fast games. I only hate watching ZvZ when the better player goes 12 hatch and the lesser player goes 9 pool. The better player will eventually die, but will make the lesser player look bad by holding off longer than expected.
How is TvT better? That has his own beauties as well, but i personally dont like to watch the loser suffering for another 15 minutes befor GGing cuz he still can defend but he's pretty much dead. Or even 100 SCVs and 25 tanks on both sides, it might be intresting but i dont like it anymore(i LOVED TvT while i was watching the first VODs, but it gets really boring). Or 2 fleets of BCs roaming around the map for 10 minutes, than killing off the bases for another 10 minutes, than wondering around 10 more minutes, than making a 30 sec long battle to decide who the winner is.
In ZvZ even if the game isnt good, it ends fairly quickly, and if it's long than it's epic. TvT is pretty much the only MU where draws occur regulary.
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Like music, it's all a matter of good old biased taste.
Boxer vs iloveOov EVER OSL 2004 best finals ever?
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