Overcame All: Zerg (6) #1 Seed Jaedong - Lee Jae Dong sAviOr - Mah Jae Yoon July - Park Sung Joon Rumble - Yoon Jong Min YellOw[ArnC] - Park Myung Soo Luxury - Park Chan Soo
Victory After Victory: Protoss (6) #2 Seed Stork[gm] - Song Byung Goo #3 Seed Bisu[Shield] - Kim Taek Yong #4 Seed Much[gm] - Park Yeong Min Nal_Rock - Ahn Gi Hyo BackHo - Son Chan Woong BeSt[HyO] - Doh Jae Wook
Demon's Forest will be removed from the map pool after the group stage because of the trees in the middle, which interfered with unit pathing. In the elimination bracket it will be replaced by Fantasy II + Show Spoiler [Image] +
January 16 - Group Week 1-1 January 18 - Group Week 1-2 January 23 - Group Week 2-1 January 25 - Group Week 2-2 January 30 & February 1 - Group Week 3-1 & Group Week 3-2 by Manifesto7 February 6 - Tiebreaks February 15 - Quarterfinals Game 1 February 22 - Quarterfinals Games 2 & 3 February 29 & March 7 - Semifinals by Plexa Third Place Match March 15 - Finals
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January 16 - Group Week 1-1 January 18 - Group Week 1-2 January 23 - Group Week 2-1 by WaxAngel January 25 - Group Week 2-2 January 30 - Group Week 3-1 February 1 - Group Week 3-2 February 6 - Tiebreaks February 15 - Quarterfinals Game 1 February 22 - Quarterfinals Games 2 & 3 February 29 - Semifinals Match A March 7 - Semifinals Match B Third Place Match March 15 - Finals by fing80
Summary: 1. Jaedong puts Savior into Group A 2. Stork puts Rock into Group B 3. Bisu puts Xellos into Group C 4. Jaedong puts BackHo into Group D 5. Stork puts Frozean into Group D 6. Bisu puts July into Group D 7. Savior puts Sea into Group A 8. Rock puts Rumble into Group B (note the remaining are decided by the race rule) 9. Xellos puts the twins into Group C 10. Sea puts Best into Group A 11. Rumble puts Flash into Group B 12. Much uses the new fourth seed veto power to switch July and Yarnc
I mentioned earlier in Website Feedback that I think the Results & Standings topics are better left stickied in the Tourneys & Leagues forum instead of Featured Threads - it makes more sense that way. It might be a little cluttered with three topics always at the top, but I mean, look at SC2 forum =P
On January 12 2008 00:57 .MistiK wrote: no mirror matchups, except for 2 pvp's
Maybe a tiny little ZvZ on the first playday. But saying that Savior and Jaedong play the same race has absolutely no influence on the excitement that this match offers.
On January 14 2008 12:36 kramus wrote: How are the Ro8 brackets determined?
Last year in was randomly determined the 1st place finisher in each group would play a second place finsiher in another group.
I don't think you can play a person in your own group in the ro8.
oh cool i see, thanks. I was thinking it would be interesting if the players knew beforehand and we get to see some suspicious losses to avoid playing against certain players.
Due to massive complaints from various teams, Demon's Forest will be ejected and replaced by Fantasy II. The reason for the complaints were the trees in the middle. The trees were so closely cluttered together that when larger units move around, they often get stuck or move in a completely different direction.
The replacement will begin in the Round of 8. For consistancy and fairness, they will keep all Ro16 games scheduled to be played on Demon's Forst to remain.
Wow, all 4 groups in similar position. 2-0 playing a 1-1, and 1-1 playing 0-2. With no one yet eliminated but potential for a lot of tiebreakers, and no groups can be settled before the final games are played. However all 2-0s are non-terrans, so it doesn't look probably for a finals berth for mankind's last hope.
Im new to this, and i have a question. It seems in OSL each group in the Ro16 all play eachother, sometimes resulting in equal scores like 2-1, 2-1, 2-1, 0-3 or 2-1, 2-1, 1-2, 1-2.
1) How many people get eliminated from the 16? 2) How do you decide who gets eliminated from the scores? 3) And are there any other benefits/perqs in the process like getting seeds?
Can someone make a visual chart showing how OSL proceeds from the original 16 qualifyers? The Offline Preiminaries/OSC/ODT/OSL chart in the articles section is great, and helped a lot, but im pretty lost about how the OSL itself plays out. Thanks to anyone who replies =)
Round of 16 is group stages. 16 players divided into 4 groups with 4 players per group. Each player plays everyone from there group, making it a total of 3 games per player. 2 players from each group advance to the next round, so they will either have a 3-0, 2-1, 1-2 or 0-3.
A 3-0 is automatic advance, since no other player can get a 3-0 from your group. Likewise 0-3 is also an auto-disqualification, since no one else can do the same or worst than 0-3. 2-1 and 1-2 stats depends on the situation.
A 2-1 means you have a very high chance of advancing. Chances are you can advance, but if someone from your group gets a 0-3, then the other 3 may end up with a 2-1, just like you, which means those 3 have to play a re-match to determine who gets the 2 spots to advance. Rematches will be played infinitly until 1 player loses twice.
A 1-2 means you can't get an auto-advance. Your chances are low to advance, but it's not impossible. For you to advance someone from your group has to have a 3-0, while everyone else, including you, gets a 1-2. This means there's only 1 spot left to advance, so the three of you play a rematch to determine who gets that last ticket. Rematches will be played inifinitly until 1 person beats both players consecutively.
Let's take a look at each group currently.
Group A: Savior is 0-2, but he's eliminated automatically because his last opponent is Sea who is 1-1. Even if he wins vs Sea, they both end up 1-2. JaeDong and Best are both 2-1, so the result would be 2-1, 2-1, 1-2, 1-2. Meanwing the two 2-1's, JaeDong and Best, advance. Meanwhile if Savior loses, then Sea, Best and JaeDong all end up with 2-1 stats, meaning the three will play a rematch to determine which two advance.
Group B: Stork is 2-0, but he advances. Why? Because his last match is vs Flash, who is 1-1. If he wins, then he gets 3-0 and would advance obviously. But even if stork loses, he would STILL advance because both he and Flash would end up 2-1, while Rumble and Rock end up 1-2. Again, since two players are 2-1 and the other two are 1-2, Flash and Stork would advance.
Meanwhile, for Rumble and Rock, if Flash wins, then they are out because of the reason I just listed above. But if Flash loses and Stork gets a 3-0, then Flash, Rumble and Rock all end up 1-2, sending the 3 into a rematch for the last ticket. Since it's only 1 ticket, the one who beats the other two advances, the others eliminated.
Group C: Luxury is 3-0, so he advances automatically.
The only game left is July, who is 1-1 vs XellOs, who is 0-2. If July wins then the stats end up as 3-0, 2-1, 1-2, 0-3. This means the 3-0 and 2-1 advance, while 1-2 and 0-3 fails. Meanwhile if July loses then we end up again with 3 players with 1-2 stats, throwing the three into a rematch for the last ticket.
Group D: Backho is 0-3 so he's out. Much vs YellOw[ArnC] is left. If YarnC loses, Much get's a 3-0 meaning Much advances. YarnC would be 1-2 and Frozean 2-1, so Frozean would advance. But if YarnC wins, all three would end up 2-1, meaning they play a rematch for the 2 spots open, while 1 person falls to ODT.
The 8 players get thrown into a tournament bracket. Ro8 is bo3, Semi finals and Finals are both bo5 (with a 3rd/4th match bo5 in there). The top 3 players get seeded 1~3 and get into the next OSL. The other players who failed either fall to the Offline qualifiers, or the Ongamenet Dual Tournament, which is qualification round for the next OSL. For information on that look up the article section on TLnet.
definitely week system. it gives a timeframe, whereas day... you don't know how many days there are or when it started. not that its impossible to figure out, but its easy to tell apart diffferetn leagues too. thats my opinion
thanks a lot live2win for explaining it so clearly, and not doing any shortcuts. and looking at each group helped a lot. It's all very clear in my mind now^^
It was rather complicated to figure out how osl, msl, and proleague all worked in the beginning. let alone deciphering osc and odt... and simply being told "look at the articles section" was long-winded (its not organized that well). You should have one big featured thread in the articles section explaining all three and the differences (or 3 separate). with a bold, all caps title saying "NOOBS READ THIS" or "OSL FORMAT / MSL FORMAT / PROLEAGUE FORMAT" and make it like the very first thread on the articles section too.
im sure if you were to write a textbook, students would understand much more easily than most authors out there right now. =).
so when it's a situation like 3-0, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2, a 3 way tie with 1 more spot, the tie breakers must be really long.
if they are A B C D, and A is 3-0 and advances, the games that must be played are BvC CvD DvB.
1) if one person gets eliminated, then another tie breaker match between the remaining two. 2) if its rockpaperscissors and all three win one and lose one, then you have another 3 way round!
if the secone scenario occurs, then that must hold back the tournament for a while, eh? unless they make them play multiple games on the same day...
Yea they usually set a day for tie-breakers only. The A>B B>C C>A scenario happens a few times, but rarely goes twice or even three times. The very few times they have, they just kept playing that day.
In OSC (then called ODT Round 1) there was a game between Sea/YellOw/ChoJJa (different format back then, long story. Just know it was a league format) that had either 3 or 4 rematches. In the end Sea won, but the games lasted so long that they had to play off-air. I don't know if they'll ever do that in OGN since OGN uses it's own channel, but they might.
On February 01 2008 12:44 Live2Win wrote: In OSC (then called ODT Round 1) there was a game between Sea/YellOw/ChoJJa (different format back then, long story. Just know it was a league format) that had either 3 or 4 rematches. In the end Sea won, but the games lasted so long that they had to play off-air. I don't know if they'll ever do that in OGN since OGN uses it's own channel, but they might.
I'm pretty sure right after live broadcasts it is always some sort of non-live program, so why not?
oo interesting. so if it drags on beyond the alloted time for the program, then they might play on a different channel (if broadcasted at all) Where couldi find that?
i know gomtv pretty much settles it for watching the MSL and daum for OSL.
On February 01 2008 20:30 gwho wrote: oo interesting. so if it drags on beyond the alloted time for the program, then they might play on a different channel (if broadcasted at all) Where couldi find that?
i know gomtv pretty much settles it for watching the MSL and daum for OSL.
Any concise program for the proleagues?
In ProLeague there are usually two match-ups played - Team A vs. Team B and Team C vs. Team D.
Team A vs. Team B, for example, would be on Daum. Then Team C vs. Team D would be on Gom. The first round of the 2008 ProLeague hasn't started yet though.
Actually one proleague match is held in the OGN studio (by OGN channel which hosts OSLs, has some kind of partnership with DAUM to broadcast OSL games) and one in the MBCGame studio (by MBCGame which hosts MSL, has a partnership with GOMTV to broadcast MSL games). However, this season both DAUM and GOMTV show both matches for the proleague.
OSC is called OnGamenet Starleague Challenge. It pretty much is the qualifiers for the next season's OSL. If you win the entire OSC, you get a 4th seed in the OSL. As Rock did.
Holy crap, they are using Demon's Forest again, but again thankfully not for PvT (though that might just be luck with the draws). And why are the maps of the matchups in group C exactly the same as during the regular play? All other groups have at least *some* variation.
Anyone else feel like Jaedong is at a severe handicap in the maps he drew in the tiebreaker? I don't think ZvT favors zerg as much as people may think on Demon's Forest, and playing BeSt on Katrina is a seriously uphill battle for him.
Xellos can't be happy about having to play Bisu on Katrina AGAIN. I'd hate to see players I really like get knocked out this early just because of some poorly balanced maps.
On January 31 2008 08:47 Live2Win wrote: Round of 16 is group stages. 16 players divided into 4 groups with 4 players per group. Each player plays everyone from there group, making it a total of 3 games per player. 2 players from each group advance to the next round, so they will either have a 3-0, 2-1, 1-2 or 0-3.
A 3-0 is automatic advance, since no other player can get a 3-0 from your group. Likewise 0-3 is also an auto-disqualification, since no one else can do the same or worst than 0-3. 2-1 and 1-2 stats depends on the situation.
A 2-1 means you have a very high chance of advancing. Chances are you can advance, but if someone from your group gets a 0-3, then the other 3 may end up with a 2-1, just like you, which means those 3 have to play a re-match to determine who gets the 2 spots to advance. Rematches will be played infinitly until 1 player loses twice.
A 1-2 means you can't get an auto-advance. Your chances are low to advance, but it's not impossible. For you to advance someone from your group has to have a 3-0, while everyone else, including you, gets a 1-2. This means there's only 1 spot left to advance, so the three of you play a rematch to determine who gets that last ticket. Rematches will be played inifinitly until 1 person beats both players consecutively.
On February 06 2008 19:18 AnOth3rDAy wrote: haha jaedong vs flash in both OSL and MSL ? whoaw
LoL it IS very wild! I think Flash is kicking his own ass right now knowing almost for sure that he's gonna be kicked from two leagues by the same person
jaedong ---> auto vote Much vs Bisu ---> Much, cause bisu is slumping badly although if Bisu win i will be so happy (Bisu vs Jaedong semi-finals !!) Luxury ---> he 3-0 his group and with blue storm imba, fantasy 2 imba and katrina balanced Stork vs Best --> WWOOOT the 2 PvP god !!!!! Stork all the way but best got a serious chance here !!!
On February 08 2008 04:17 gwho wrote: how are the quarter finals matchups determined? do they havea video for it?
In this case they just took
A1 vs. B2 B1 vs. A2 C1 vs. D2 D1 vs. C2.
and changed the 2nd with the 4th match.
A1 vs. B2 D1 vs. C2 C1 vs. D2 B1 vs. A2
to create the final bracket.
So basically taking groups A+B and groups C+D respectively as grouped together and letting them cross-play with group firsts taking on group seconds. On the other hand, they shuffled two matches, switching the 2nd with the 4th, so that you cannot encounter anyone you met in the groupstage during the semis but only in the finals. So no randomization, just a system to prevent matchups from reoccuring before the finals.
On January 12 2008 00:32 GrandInquisitor wrote: I mentioned earlier in Website Feedback that I think the Results & Standings topics are better left stickied in the Tourneys & Leagues forum instead of Featured Threads - it makes more sense that way. It might be a little cluttered with three topics always at the top, but I mean, look at SC2 forum =P
hahahaha this comment made me laugh a lot so i had to answer it. i mean what the heck do you think this thread means? it is the most important thread in this page. not let me correct myself it is what more than half of this page revolves around including proleague thread and msl thread. and you want to HIDE IT. yes because if you move it there you will HIDE IT. i guess you were drunk when writting that. hahahahahaha.
so can the quarter finals not continue until starchallenge is complete? looking at the schedule, i see no bacchus osl 2008 matchups for quarter finals. i see no reason why osl can't continue if it's waiting for starchallenge. starchallenge is a way bottom tier league. or are they just holding out just because...
For the round of 16 they aired on both Fridays and Wednesdays, now that they have advanced to the round of 8, it will be airing on Fridays only (though the finals could likely be on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and losers finals whenever they feel like it)
On February 13 2008 01:02 gwho wrote: so can the quarter finals not continue until starchallenge is complete? looking at the schedule, i see no bacchus osl 2008 matchups for quarter finals. i see no reason why osl can't continue if it's waiting for starchallenge. starchallenge is a way bottom tier league. or are they just holding out just because...
OGN don't seem to announce their schedule very much ahead of time for the OSL.
Im glad they changed Demon's Forest coz it was a very crazy map... But why Fantasy II? It sucks as much as DF.... I wonder how maps are selected... They're not putting enough effort in choosing really good maps, IMO. Disappointing.
The last game between Flash and Jaedong is incredible!! I don't want to spoil it, I just say to those who didn't see it: Don't waste a single more second!
I doubt many people even care after the way Luxury performed in the semis (as Bisu should be able to destroy him) but, does anyone know when the 3rd place match is going to take place?
On March 11 2008 22:36 trollbone wrote: i think its because the OSC is delayed that the 3rd place/4th place game is delayed too
anyway Bisu is in the next OSL
It's the other way around, the OSC can't continue until the 3rd place match is decided. That's why I was asking, it's been like 2 weeks since there's been an OSC game played and I'm getting bored waiting for the finals at the end of this week ... give me some SC to watch!
On March 11 2008 22:36 trollbone wrote: i think its because the OSC is delayed that the 3rd place/4th place game is delayed too
anyway Bisu is in the next OSL
It's the other way around, the OSC can't continue until the 3rd place match is decided. That's why I was asking, it's been like 2 weeks since there's been an OSC game played and I'm getting bored waiting for the finals at the end of this week ... give me some SC to watch!
In the past the 3rd place match has been played on the Wednesday before the Finals ... which would mean Bisu vs. Luxury is going down tonight ... can anyone confirm this?
On March 11 2008 22:36 trollbone wrote: i think its because the OSC is delayed that the 3rd place/4th place game is delayed too
anyway Bisu is in the next OSL
It's the other way around, the OSC can't continue until the 3rd place match is decided. That's why I was asking, it's been like 2 weeks since there's been an OSC game played and I'm getting bored waiting for the finals at the end of this week ... give me some SC to watch!
The the top 4 of the OSL are automatically seeded so there really isn't a pressing need to have a loser's final. A loser's final is necessary if 3rd place gets a seed and 4th place doesn't, but since they both get a seed in the next OSL it most likely won't be played.
i thought only top 3 are seeded. the 4th seed is granted to the person who got 4th place only if he wins an additional round of qualification. basically the 4th place guy gets "1/2 of a seed"
On March 16 2008 03:17 jkillashark wrote: I don't think they're going to play it.
The the top 4 of the OSL are automatically seeded so there really isn't a pressing need to have a loser's final. A loser's final is necessary if 3rd place gets a seed and 4th place doesn't, but since they both get a seed in the next OSL it most likely won't be played.
On March 16 2008 03:17 jkillashark wrote: I don't think they're going to play it.
The the top 4 of the OSL are automatically seeded so there really isn't a pressing need to have a loser's final. A loser's final is necessary if 3rd place gets a seed and 4th place doesn't, but since they both get a seed in the next OSL it most likely won't be played.
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