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The gist is this. I'm sick of live-reporting SC2 and I don't ever want to have to set foot (browser?) into the SC2 forums again.
Live Report Threads are a Mess
The SC2 Live Report Threads are a complete mess. It is telling that we never really needed to have big warning signs at the top of threads telling people what not to post until SC2 really came around. Whether it is hate on other games, imbalance comments, rage at other games, or just bad posting in general, I can't read these threads any more. There is so much hate there directed at everything and everyone that tries to come in. So many people post as if they're experts on whatever topic they're posting about. I know people can be complete idiots on the internet. But the sheer concentration of this in the SC2 LR Threads is astounding. I like to hang out in many other sections of TL and I don't see this level of madness there. It's intolerable.
I've even had people tell me to stop LR-ing because I'm wasting their monitor space since they don't need my posts to know what's going on in the game. Well, I guess you win. I'm not going to LR any more.
The E-Sports Argument
I am specifically going to address the issue of E-Sports. So many use this word interchangeably with SC2. Specifically when they start hating on other games. I'm going to be very clear what my views are.
So long as E-Sports as a whole becomes mainstream, I don't care what games are considered E-Sports.
What do I mean by this? Well, let's say for some reason the whole globe goes crazy about competitive Farmville. I don't know why but whatever. That's cool with me. I'll keep watching SC2, SC:BW and LoL streams. I don't care about Farmville but whatever. I mean, now when I talk with my colleagues about stuff at the water fountain and we were chatting about what we were doing on the weekend I can say: "Yeah, I was watching E-Sports." And they'll say: "Farmville?" And I'll go: "Nah, I'm more into SC2/SC:BW/LoL" and they can go "Ah, okay then. I prefer Farmville myself."
I mean, if SC2 people were sports fans it would probably go like this.
Me: "Yeah, I was watching golf last night."
Them: "WTF WHY YOU WATCH GOLF YOU'RE RUINING SPORTS BECAUSE IT'S SO BORING AND LAME."
Me: "But... I like it. It's not like I hate on Hockey."
Them: "STFU, HOCKEY IS SPORTS. LAME ASS ESPN SHOWING GOLF WHICH DELAYS MY HOCKEY."
It just makes you sound like an idiot. In a bad way.
If you really care about E-Sports, stop bitching about other games. Celebrate how more people are getting into E-Sports, no matter what game it is, or how popular it is. I for one don't care if my favourite game ends up being 'The Bestest E-Sport Evah'. I just want the public in general to accept that watching other people play video games doesn't make me some loner person who lives in their parent's basement.
Because I'm feeling in a bad mood, I'm going to give a small sample of some bad posts and criticise them.
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On August 22 2011 01:06 snakeeyez wrote:
They have the winner ceremony next because they know if they wait until after SC2 no one would watch it because no one cares.
They have the winner ceremony next because they know if they wait until after SC2 no one would watch it because no one cares.
Firstly, it's a bad idea to use absolutes such as "no one" or "everyone". In a logical and rational argument, all I have to do is provide one counter example and then your statement has no validity. I cared about the LoL Winner Ceremony, so obvious someone cares. The Winners of the LoL Tournament probably cared.
On August 21 2011 23:57 gold_ wrote:
ESL you need dedicated starcraft 2 streams. Being forced to see these other retarded games you have chosen just makes me not want to watch your tournaments. Terrible.
ESL you need dedicated starcraft 2 streams. Being forced to see these other retarded games you have chosen just makes me not want to watch your tournaments. Terrible.
That's an interesting point of view. If you don't like the IEM, may I ask why you're watching it? That's like complaining ESPN has other sports on it. If you don't like what gets shown on ESPN, don't pay for it. And it's not like you're paying for the ESL stream you know.
On August 22 2011 01:07 Sandro wrote:
Can we just skip the LoL award ceremony, DOTA 2 didnt have any, also no one wants to see an awkward 14 year old white boy on the stage
Can we just skip the LoL award ceremony, DOTA 2 didnt have any, also no one wants to see an awkward 14 year old white boy on the stage
I'll assume you also hate SC2 Winner Ceremonies. Unless you like 14 yr old asian boys. Feel free to tell me what kind of boys you like watching if you feel I am wrong.
On August 22 2011 01:12 Figgy wrote:
It's because most people on here know that Dota is amazing, know that the match between Ehome and Navi was great, and also know that LoL is terrible.
I hope that everyone switches over once Dota 2 is released. LoL was such a disgrace and butchering of Dota it hurts me inside.
It's because most people on here know that Dota is amazing, know that the match between Ehome and Navi was great, and also know that LoL is terrible.
I hope that everyone switches over once Dota 2 is released. LoL was such a disgrace and butchering of Dota it hurts me inside.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are people who think SC2 butchered SC:BW. They'd probably love it if you joined them on their crusade about staying faithful. Actually, I think Atari fans from the 1980s think all computer games butcher stuff from those days. I mean, really. Keyboard AND Mouse control? You're so spoilt.
On August 22 2011 01:10 Benzzro wrote:
2AM and school tomorrow and have to wait to watch a ceremony for a game that I don't two shits about, awesome! Thanks IEM, could've just had 2 separate streams but I guess that's too hard.
2AM and school tomorrow and have to wait to watch a ceremony for a game that I don't two shits about, awesome! Thanks IEM, could've just had 2 separate streams but I guess that's too hard.
Is it that hard to watch VoDs? Just go to sleep and catch up later.
On August 22 2011 01:20 IVN wrote:
I dont really care about LoL one way or the other, BUT when it's crappy net code starts continuously crashing and causes me to wait for an eternity for MC v Puma games, well that's when I get pissed and start to h8.
I dont really care about LoL one way or the other, BUT when it's crappy net code starts continuously crashing and causes me to wait for an eternity for MC v Puma games, well that's when I get pissed and start to h8.
Yesterday, SC2 delayed the LoL Semi-finals for a while. I just shrugged and accepted that sometimes things are out of people's control. It happens sometimes.
On August 22 2011 01:21 Samiz wrote:
Scumbag League of Legends:
Seeps stream into SC2 Finals time,
Has a really high stream count.
Scumbag League of Legends:
Seeps stream into SC2 Finals time,
Has a really high stream count.
You know, why don't we all just be friends and enjoy the success of E-Sports? If not, we can all go down and egg the house of those people over there who like Halo. I mean, people playing a game with a first person view and controller? That's soooooo 1990s. Obviously, playing SC2 makes your an extremely refined and sophisticated person no matter how bad your posting.
On August 22 2011 01:21 MuTa07 wrote:
For all those ppl saying things like "so much hate on LoL in this thread". This thread is the STARCRAFT 2 thread not LoL..
p.s. fuck LoL
For all those ppl saying things like "so much hate on LoL in this thread". This thread is the STARCRAFT 2 thread not LoL..
p.s. fuck LoL
Thanks for your keen insight. I can see why you're a moderator.
Owait, I'm sorry. You know, it's like saying: "Hey, we're in the US. Why can't I make racist remarks about Asians? If Asians get all upset about it, they can all go back to Asia." It's an incredibly insensitive and illogical statement that doesn't change the fact you are incredibly rude.
On August 22 2011 02:12 dog4 wrote:
When a Bonjwa toss like MC falls to a random Code B terran something isn't rigth.
When a Bonjwa toss like MC falls to a random Code B terran something isn't rigth.
Hi there. It seems that you don't understand the word "Bonjwa". You also don't seem to understand the word "upset" or "underdog". Sometimes, people win games when other people don't expect it. I think that's a good thing. It means the game evolves.
On August 22 2011 02:11 Crashburn wrote:
cool story bronzie
cool story bronzie
On August 22 2011 02:41 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Toss always have more noobs than other races, and they like to whine about balance.
Toss always have more noobs than other races, and they like to whine about balance.
Why do SC2-ers hate on SC2-ers as well? It's like their hate is so large they have to rage at everything, even their own comrades. Also, don't try and make yourself look like some expert with a Jaedong username.
On August 22 2011 02:40 benbrad2 wrote:
How about Blizzard stop basing their balance from games from their employee ?
and start looking at what "HAPPENS IN THE GAME" not just the end result.
How about Blizzard stop basing their balance from games from their employee ?
and start looking at what "HAPPENS IN THE GAME" not just the end result.
For that matter, why do people assume that games companies make asinine balancing decisions for no reason? Actually, technically speaking, Blizzard does make balancing decisions from their employees because someone needs to code the darn patch. So I guess you never want a patch again. Unless you can code?
So I guess that's it from me. No more SC2 LR again.
For my own sake, below is my last ever SC2 LR. It was
oGs.MC vs 
EG.PuMa in the August GamesCon Cologne 2011 SC2 Finals.Despite the many improvements I've made to my LR formatting and style, I think I will always remember the TSL as my most favourite tourney to LR.
So long SC2. It was fun LR-ing. But it's just too painful to do it any more. It's not me. It's probably you.
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oGs.MC vs EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns
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oGs.MC 0 vs 0 EG.PuMaPuma spawns as Red Terran @1
MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7
1:45
Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate.
2:25
Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas.
3:15
OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes.
4:10
Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC.
5:20
1-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech.
Cloacked Banshees on the way.
6:20
Robo for MC. Nexus finishes.
6:40
2 more rax for Puma.
7:30
Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base.
Obs sees it. Banshee runs.
8:30
Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers.
9:10
MASS of SCVs and Marines coming!
9:45
2 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat.
10:30
Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat.
Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down.
11:50
MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone!
12:25
Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead.
13:00
Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard.
14:10
Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made.
15:10
Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks.
16:00
The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere.
17:20
PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled!
18:00
MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place.
19:00
MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything.
20:00
MC ggs!
oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaMatch 2: Terminus RE
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oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6MC spawns as Red Protoss @124:00
CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC.
5:10
Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat.
6:10
4 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot.
7:00
Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too.
8:00
Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way.
9:00
Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish.
9:30
Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too.
10:30
Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything.
11:30
Puma has a drop floating around.
12:00
Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well.
13:00
Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons!
13:30
Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings.
14:30
2-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched!
15:30
Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed.
16:30
Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma.
17:30
Warp Prism making!
Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again.
18:30
Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around.
19:00
MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch.
20:00
MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio.
20:40
Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward!
22:00
MC loses so many units and his 4th.
170-130 supply in Puma's favour!
23:00
Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss!
MC ggs!
oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaMC looks pensive.
Match 3: Metalopolis
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oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Red Terran @3MC spawns as Blue Protoss @12:00
Both players opening with gas.
3:00
Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base.
4:00
Probe sees fact before it dies.
4:30
STARGATE OPENING!
5:10
1-1-1 for Puma.
6:00
Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma.
6:30
Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything.
7:15
Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out.
7:50
Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped.
8:30
3 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base.
9:40
MC ninja expo to 7.
10:20
Dark Shrine up!
MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines. A disappointed MC is forced to GG.
oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.PuMaMatch 4: Tal'Darim Altar
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Match 5: Shakuras Plateau
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I think this last IEM one was particularly bad (in terms of the community response), but most of the time they are all bad. My only good memory of a LR thread is when there were about 10 pages of people posting: MMA, MMA, MMA!
