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On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread.
Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
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I feel your pain Moon, I stopped going to SC2 threads altogether for the same reasons, personally I think our community has gone to the gutters. I can't stand the posts I read in threads there.
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
Sounds like an awesome idea!
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it's all about the reactions though who wants to live report these days right
seems annoying to have 2 threads for one thing like that, but it's also terrible to lose any LR'ing in the garbage when that is after all the point of thread...right?
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Idiots are prone to congregate, and once they congregate their idiocy is magnified 10x by other idiot's unfounded boldness, it's just the way of things. I always enjoyed your LR's and they will be missed Moon 
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I only use LR threads to check what happened, and now LP does that just fine so i use that.
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It's one thing if it's just the thread.
But when the host (Carmac) mentions SC2 three times during the LoL winners ceremony and goes on to ask: "who's ready for SC2?" with the expected result being louder applauds than for the LoL champs, then we've crossed the line.
You can't have 100k+ ppl watch on stream (loads more than the SC2 stream) sit through that, it's an insult to a [possibly larger] community.
If there's been a scheduling conflict prompting the situation where the [live] audience is expecting something other than what they get, ESL can't just sell out whatever dragged out on time. LoL is not a 'pre-band' to SC2.
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
If something like this happens I promise to spend hours during MLG using my Report button so this shit gets figured out/enforced
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I really don't have anything against SC2 the game, but if I could go back to TL pre-SC2beta I would do it without any hesitation, really.
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Hehe why not just have a twitter dedicated to live report. The LR threads can be used just for chat. I know 99% of the time I read the LR thread just to see what others are thinking, not to check the score etc. Stupid posts like OMG NANIWA NICCCEEE or even hateful posts like WOW NOOB CHEESER GO BACK TO CODE B are expected and sometimes even amusing.
A solution would just get a twitter and live report off it. I don't know why it's never been done, and people without access to stream are forced to weave through pages of posts just to find their information. Seems so old fashioned in this day and age.
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While separation of LR into independent thread or Twitter is excellent idea, that does NOT excuse the terrible posts so-called other's thought processes generate. I myself would not be saddened to see serious purge sweep through the Tournament Forum; those who want to see hateful posts can go elsewhere.
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On August 22 2011 03:43 MoonBear wrote:
The SC2 Live Report Threads are a complete mess. It is telling that we never really needed to have big warning signs at the top of threads telling people what not to post until SC2 really came around.
I was already wondering wether that was the case...
Sad 
On August 22 2011 05:22 Divinek wrote:
it's all about the reactions though who wants to live report these days right
seems annoying to have 2 threads for one thing like that, but it's also terrible to lose any LR'ing in the garbage when that is after all the point of thread...right?
might seem annoying to have 2 threads but tbh i find it more annoying to actually find the LR in the threads using my phone (pretty much the only time i need the LR-posts), it's just impossible to keep up witht the pace of those threads and filter through all the comments that are not really helping at the moment, i'd be happy about 2 seperate threads
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I haven't read a live report thread other than the League of Legends forum ones in a really, really long time. Not even BW -- BW has some pretty shitty posters, too. Not AS bad as SC2, but still pretty spammy.
It'd be nice if we could just have some mods volunteer to crack down on repeat offenders for a specific thread each night -- monitor a thread, warn people who don't obey the rules posted at the top of the thread, ban them if they continue to act-up. Do this for a little while until people get used to it and post a bit more considerately.
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Bisutopia19391 Posts
I don't know you because I'm primarily a BW person (although I do follow SC2). But I do agree with what your saying however I am opposed to your actions. Stopping your commitment to the LR thread is only hurting SC2. No one is going to think you are Saint for stopping you LR-ing you will just be forgotten. Or because of this blog, just remembered as giving up on SC2. Continue what you've been doing and are good at and stay committed to the SC2 LR threads because those who want to make it better will achieve that. Look at how far SC:BW has evolved. And I do believe in SC2!
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I never go into the live report threads. A combination of the fast rate, not a lot of reading and responding to eachother, just quick one liners like you mentioned which are some of the worst things to read and there's always an abundance of them there.
I feel that there are way too many posters for the live report thread itself to ever get good quality. Many times when there is a good quality thread, not a lot of people respond to it. Just to put that in perspective. If one person makes a stupid remark, tons of people will end up responding to the same post.
What I would like to recommend is a different way of doing the live reporting. Where I came from it was the OP that got updated and you could just refresh it and it would grow larger. Because currently there is a lot of qouting going on and it seems to just get lost in the whole of it. You can also add in value by layout, timestamps, headers, segments all those to give it more value.
A lot more people would probably go to the live report thread if it was that way and if they start commenting meaningful things a few of those around might adapt a little. Or it might grow even worse but it seems like a nicer way, people can choose to skip all the crap and just stay on the frontpage and enjoy it.
You could say that because of the nature of the live report thread, mostly how fast it goes, people feel it doesn't really matter what they say, or they will try to post something really instigative to bait a response. I wouldn't really know how to fix it and maybe it doesn't need fixing. I like IRC, others might like this?
I also agree with Cedstick's point a lot. The policies are great but when it becomes hard to decide I feel moderation leans safer towards the safer side of not taking action. If you do it for smaller things, there will be an even larger part of posts you aren't moderating in the same way.
Just throwing that carefulness out the door and laying down the law could be great.
Maybe you could create a new ban category that allows you to ban people under that and use it in a more carefree manner.
Edit: Sentence didn't make sense
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On August 22 2011 06:07 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't know you because I'm primarily a BW person (although I do follow SC2). But I do agree with what your saying however I am opposed to your actions. Stopping your commitment to the LR thread is only hurting SC2. No one is going to think you are Saint for stopping you LR-ing you will just be forgotten. Or because of this blog, just remembered as giving up on SC2. Continue what you've been doing and are good at and stay committed to the SC2 LR threads because those who want to make it better will achieve that. Look at how far SC:BW has evolved. And I do believe in SC2!
No one is obligated to do anything, really. If he's so annoyed that it's not worth his time any more, that's it. It's not really a question of belief in SC2 as much as "fuck this".
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
If it goes through can you get me a shiny icon? I need to quickly copyright the idea......
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On August 22 2011 06:22 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol). If it goes through can you get me a shiny icon? I need to quickly copyright the idea......
On April 04 2011 17:04 Iyerbeth wrote:
My suggestion therefore would be to warn/ban any non game report post in LR threads and have a seperate Tournament Fan Reaction thread, or a link to a chat specifically for discussing that tournament in the way LR threads currently seem to function in the OP or mod note at the top of the thread thingy where people can just discuss the game.
Yoink!
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Drazerk once told me it's best to just ignore peoples comments on your live report and do it how you think it should be done. People will disagree with you no matter how you do it.
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MoonBear I had respect for your live report posts from the first time I read them. They've always been instant, direct, as far from bias as possible- they've shown through the utter deluge of live report posts that are like an avalanche covering up content. I've learned a lot about how to do live reports from your styles and I will truly miss reading them.
I cannot express enough how much I hope to see you posting in GSL LR threads still. You can't deny most of the asshats are asleep and the quality or at least the volume is better (or lower).
I don't want you to go! You've been part of the tournament thread community (inside the TL community, I know inception joke) since before I started reading them.
If you stay away forever you will always be remembered for your contributions. Thank you for all the words, keystrokes, time and care MoonBear.
But I sure as fuck don't blame you. By the start of the MC-Puma set I stopped reading the thread and started thumbing through it hitting report. The only reason I was in that thread was to help report the worst of the worst comments. I can't imagine I'll want to do this forever so there's that.
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