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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
I was hoping to save my next blog post for my 3k, but it seems I shall not.
The gist is this. I'm sick of live-reporting SC2 and I don't ever want to have to set foot (browser?) into the SC2 forums again.
Live Report Threads are a Mess
The SC2 Live Report Threads are a complete mess. It is telling that we never really needed to have big warning signs at the top of threads telling people what not to post until SC2 really came around. Whether it is hate on other games, imbalance comments, rage at other games, or just bad posting in general, I can't read these threads any more. There is so much hate there directed at everything and everyone that tries to come in. So many people post as if they're experts on whatever topic they're posting about. I know people can be complete idiots on the internet. But the sheer concentration of this in the SC2 LR Threads is astounding. I like to hang out in many other sections of TL and I don't see this level of madness there. It's intolerable.
I've even had people tell me to stop LR-ing because I'm wasting their monitor space since they don't need my posts to know what's going on in the game. Well, I guess you win. I'm not going to LR any more.
The E-Sports Argument
I am specifically going to address the issue of E-Sports. So many use this word interchangeably with SC2. Specifically when they start hating on other games. I'm going to be very clear what my views are.
So long as E-Sports as a whole becomes mainstream, I don't care what games are considered E-Sports.
What do I mean by this? Well, let's say for some reason the whole globe goes crazy about competitive Farmville. I don't know why but whatever. That's cool with me. I'll keep watching SC2, SC:BW and LoL streams. I don't care about Farmville but whatever. I mean, now when I talk with my colleagues about stuff at the water fountain and we were chatting about what we were doing on the weekend I can say: "Yeah, I was watching E-Sports." And they'll say: "Farmville?" And I'll go: "Nah, I'm more into SC2/SC:BW/LoL" and they can go "Ah, okay then. I prefer Farmville myself."
I mean, if SC2 people were sports fans it would probably go like this.
Me: "Yeah, I was watching golf last night."
Them: "WTF WHY YOU WATCH GOLF YOU'RE RUINING SPORTS BECAUSE IT'S SO BORING AND LAME."
Me: "But... I like it. It's not like I hate on Hockey."
Them: "STFU, HOCKEY IS SPORTS. LAME ASS ESPN SHOWING GOLF WHICH DELAYS MY HOCKEY."
It just makes you sound like an idiot. In a bad way.
If you really care about E-Sports, stop bitching about other games. Celebrate how more people are getting into E-Sports, no matter what game it is, or how popular it is. I for one don't care if my favourite game ends up being 'The Bestest E-Sport Evah'. I just want the public in general to accept that watching other people play video games doesn't make me some loner person who lives in their parent's basement.
Because I'm feeling in a bad mood, I'm going to give a small sample of some bad posts and criticise them.
+ Show Spoiler [I'm feeling vitriolic] +On August 22 2011 01:06 snakeeyez wrote:
They have the winner ceremony next because they know if they wait until after SC2 no one would watch it because no one cares. Firstly, it's a bad idea to use absolutes such as "no one" or "everyone". In a logical and rational argument, all I have to do is provide one counter example and then your statement has no validity. I cared about the LoL Winner Ceremony, so obvious someone cares. The Winners of the LoL Tournament probably cared. On August 21 2011 23:57 gold_ wrote:
ESL you need dedicated starcraft 2 streams. Being forced to see these other retarded games you have chosen just makes me not want to watch your tournaments. Terrible. That's an interesting point of view. If you don't like the IEM, may I ask why you're watching it? That's like complaining ESPN has other sports on it. If you don't like what gets shown on ESPN, don't pay for it. And it's not like you're paying for the ESL stream you know. On August 22 2011 01:07 Sandro wrote:
Can we just skip the LoL award ceremony, DOTA 2 didnt have any, also no one wants to see an awkward 14 year old white boy on the stage I'll assume you also hate SC2 Winner Ceremonies. Unless you like 14 yr old asian boys. Feel free to tell me what kind of boys you like watching if you feel I am wrong. On August 22 2011 01:12 Figgy wrote:
It's because most people on here know that Dota is amazing, know that the match between Ehome and Navi was great, and also know that LoL is terrible.
I hope that everyone switches over once Dota 2 is released. LoL was such a disgrace and butchering of Dota it hurts me inside.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there are people who think SC2 butchered SC:BW. They'd probably love it if you joined them on their crusade about staying faithful. Actually, I think Atari fans from the 1980s think all computer games butcher stuff from those days. I mean, really. Keyboard AND Mouse control? You're so spoilt. On August 22 2011 01:10 Benzzro wrote:
2AM and school tomorrow and have to wait to watch a ceremony for a game that I don't two shits about, awesome! Thanks IEM, could've just had 2 separate streams but I guess that's too hard. Is it that hard to watch VoDs? Just go to sleep and catch up later. On August 22 2011 01:20 IVN wrote:
I dont really care about LoL one way or the other, BUT when it's crappy net code starts continuously crashing and causes me to wait for an eternity for MC v Puma games, well that's when I get pissed and start to h8. Yesterday, SC2 delayed the LoL Semi-finals for a while. I just shrugged and accepted that sometimes things are out of people's control. It happens sometimes. On August 22 2011 01:21 Samiz wrote:
Scumbag League of Legends:
Seeps stream into SC2 Finals time,
Has a really high stream count. You know, why don't we all just be friends and enjoy the success of E-Sports? If not, we can all go down and egg the house of those people over there who like Halo. I mean, people playing a game with a first person view and controller? That's soooooo 1990s. Obviously, playing SC2 makes your an extremely refined and sophisticated person no matter how bad your posting. On August 22 2011 01:21 MuTa07 wrote:
For all those ppl saying things like "so much hate on LoL in this thread". This thread is the STARCRAFT 2 thread not LoL..
p.s. fuck LoL Thanks for your keen insight. I can see why you're a moderator. Owait, I'm sorry. You know, it's like saying: "Hey, we're in the US. Why can't I make racist remarks about Asians? If Asians get all upset about it, they can all go back to Asia." It's an incredibly insensitive and illogical statement that doesn't change the fact you are incredibly rude. On August 22 2011 02:12 dog4 wrote:
When a Bonjwa toss like MC falls to a random Code B terran something isn't rigth. Hi there. It seems that you don't understand the word "Bonjwa". You also don't seem to understand the word "upset" or "underdog". Sometimes, people win games when other people don't expect it. I think that's a good thing. It means the game evolves. On August 22 2011 02:11 Crashburn wrote:
cool story bronzie On August 22 2011 02:41 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Toss always have more noobs than other races, and they like to whine about balance. Why do SC2-ers hate on SC2-ers as well? It's like their hate is so large they have to rage at everything, even their own comrades. Also, don't try and make yourself look like some expert with a Jaedong username. On August 22 2011 02:40 benbrad2 wrote:
How about Blizzard stop basing their balance from games from their employee ?
and start looking at what "HAPPENS IN THE GAME" not just the end result. For that matter, why do people assume that games companies make asinine balancing decisions for no reason? Actually, technically speaking, Blizzard does make balancing decisions from their employees because someone needs to code the darn patch. So I guess you never want a patch again. Unless you can code?
So I guess that's it from me. No more SC2 LR again.
For my own sake, below is my last ever SC2 LR. It was  oGs.MC vs  EG.PuMa in the August GamesCon Cologne 2011 SC2 Finals.
Despite the many improvements I've made to my LR formatting and style, I think I will always remember the TSL as my most favourite tourney to LR.
So long SC2. It was fun LR-ing. But it's just too painful to do it any more. It's not me. It's probably you.
+ Show Spoiler +oGs.MC vs EG.PuMa Live Report Roundup!Match 1: Xel'Naga Caverns+ Show Spoiler +oGs.MC 0 vs 0 EG.PuMaPuma spawns as Red Terran @1 MC spawns as Blue Protoss @7 1:45Wall off with Depot-Rax from Puma. MC going with 11-Gate. 2:25Probe sees Puma's base. Blocks the wall-off of second depot. Sees the gas. 3:15OC complete. No add on on the rax. Fact down. CyberCore finishes. 4:10Bunker at top of ramp for Puma. Reactor on Rax, Tech Lab on Fact. Nexus at nat for MC. 5:201-1-1 for Puma. MC gets 2 more gates and Warpgate Tech. Cloacked Banshees on the way. 6:20Robo for MC. Nexus finishes. 6:402 more rax for Puma. 7:30Cloak finishes. Obs going to the Terran base. Second Obs making. Banshee coming to Protoss base. Obs sees it. Banshee runs. 8:30Raven for Puma. Banshee almost getting caught by Stalkers. 9:10MASS of SCVs and Marines coming! 9:452 Tanks, mass of marines and nearly all SCVs pushing into the Protoss nat. 10:30Bunker denied but Nexus dies. PDD stops the stalkers. Protoss in retreat. Dancing at the nat. MC 20 supply up. So many marines. Bunker going down. 11:50MC kills the bunker, most of the marines are gone! 12:25Puma in full retreat. MC has 20 worker lead. 13:00Nexus replaced at the natural. Puma making marines and tanks, worried about a possible bust. MC macoring hard. 14:10Cloaked Banshee harass at the Protoss base. No obs! Several probe kills before the banshee goes down. Archives made. 15:10Zealot Legs researching. Second push coming. Mass of marines and 4 tanks. 16:00The protoss army just chew through the terran ground but Bnahsees do so much damage! The Terran army is in the Protoss base! Just carnage everywhere. 17:20PDD protecting the Banshees so well. Probes pulled! 18:00MC microing for his life. Marines running all over the place. 19:00MC only has probes but more supply. Banshees chewing through everything. 20:00MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMa oGs.MC 0 vs 1 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Blue Terran @6 MC spawns as Red Protoss @12 4:00CyberCore for MC, Puma opening with very similar build to Game 1 but with a fast CC. 5:10Puma makes 2 more raxes. Nexus for MC at nat. 6:104 gate and Robo for MC. That's a lot. 7:00Stim and Combat Shield both being researched. Marauders being made too. 8:00Marines being churned out. MC taking gas at nat. More Facts for Puma. Conc Shells on the way. 9:00Stim and ConcShells complete. Templar Archievs about to finish. 9:30Blink for MC. Turrets going up for Puma. +1 Weapons for Bio too. 10:30Puma floats a fact for scouting. Third CC going up. Medivacs coming out. A single stimmed marine sees everything. 11:30Puma has a drop floating around. 12:00Stalkers blink and catch a medivac. Ouch. MC takes his 3rd as well. 13:00Stalkers blink into the main and picks off raxes and addons! 13:30Stalkers and zealots all over the terran base, controlling space then retreat. Kills off some production buildings. 14:302-2 done for MC. Double forge making for MC. Storm researched! 15:30Puma going for another CC. Bio marching around the map. Forges chrono-ed. 16:30Ghosts making. MC takes a 4th but it gets spotted. 3-3 researching for Puma. 17:30Warp Prism making! Armies poke at the middle. MC tries to take a 4th again. 18:30Puma takes his 4th. Warp Prism with HTs floating around. 19:00MC kills Puma's 4th and gets a storm on Puma's army. Puma drops MC's nat but it dies fast. Storm on the drop. Ouch. 20:00MC takes a 5th and makes canons. EMP misses the Warp Prism. Storm all over the Terran Bio. 20:40Puma snipes the Warp prism and loses HTs. Massacre all around. Puma's upgrades are so useful and somehow power through MC's army and continues marching forward! 22:00MC loses so many units and his 4th. 170-130 supply in Puma's favour! 23:00Storm on Puma, but EMPs all over the Protoss! MC ggs! oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaMC looks pensive. oGs.MC 0 vs 2 EG.PuMaPuMa spawns as Red Terran @3 MC spawns as Blue Protoss @1 2:00Both players opening with gas. 3:00Probe sees everything. Gets walled into the base. 4:00Probe sees fact before it dies. 4:30STARGATE OPENING! 5:101-1-1 for Puma. 6:00Phoenix for MC, Tanks for Puma. 6:30Wall goes down, probe runs in and sees everything. 7:15Raven for Puma. 3 Phoenix out. 7:50Phoenix pick off the Raven. 1 Phoenix sniped. 8:303 tanks and a medivac out. More raxes out. Phoenix fly over marines. Blink research. Both 1 base. 9:40MC ninja expo to 7. 10:20Dark Shrine up! MC tries to base race with DTs. Even though Puma doesn't have energy on his Orbitals for Scans, MC fails to snipe the Raven which was heavily protected with tanks and marines. A disappointed MC is forced to GG. oGs.MC 0 vs 3 EG.PuMa
 
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Don't know what to say besides the fact that I agree 100%.
EDIT: Obviously it's a huge loss that we're losing one of the few quality posters in LR threads.
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I dont think anybody here will argue with you.
As the community grows, so does the number of idiots. Unfortunate, but inevitable.
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well now you can just enjoy watching the games with your full attention without having to post in some silly thread all the time
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LR threads get pretty depressing for any major event days and there is just so much garbage to sift through :<
It's like online stadium where everyone hears your opinion on everything lol - and the actual occasional LR stuck in there (which can get hard for people who can't watch to actually know what is happening).
GSL non-final days are generally good, since viewer ship isn't massive, but yea~! idk, I always say I don't know why I keep reading the LR threads as I fell like I'm losing some IQ just reading some of the things people write ;\
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Sorry i miss understood your post a bit>_<.
I hope you'll be back to the LR after some time anyway.
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Please keep the following things out of this topic:
-Caster/Stream/player bashing;
-Imbalance/race whine;
-LoL vs the world arguments;
-'Omfg cant believe people aren't watching SPL finals' comments;
-any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments.
Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!
Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne
[special edit: Any more derailing over the fact that someone made a Germany vs Poland WW2 joke after page 21 will be met with a week ban.]
Has a LR thread ever had such a big warning?
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I agree 100%!! Sometimes feels like 4chan, but even worse.
To bad I am dependent on LR threads because usually o am at work when tournaments happen.
I wish bans would be more commonly used to weed out the people trying to mess with everything
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On August 22 2011 03:51 TheKefka wrote:I understand where you are coming from,but I really think this is just venting more than anything else for you.Looks like you need to take a break from the community around SC2 rather than to quit the game in general. I have felt about the same way as you did today when i was reading through the LR thread and was absolutely shocked by the posts people made and burrowed any decent discussion or information under it. I don't know what your situation is but for me,the reason why I go to LRs is because there are people that share(or at least are supposed to share-_-) the same enthusiasm for the game as myself.I don't really have any friends that are into Sc2 and I envy people that have get togethers at a bar or a place where they can just shout at what is going on and comment on the action. I know your upset at the community but at least take a brake than and come back to reconsider when the game has matured a little more. In fact,I know you will be back 
From what I understood, he is stopping LR threads.
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Damn. I selfishly rely on live reporters like you a fair amount these days, just don't have time to watch much. Completely understand though. Maybe the lr threads could have something like the blue posts in the strat forum to help the good stuff rise above the rest?
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Saddening, but can't blame you. LR thread quality is the by-product of people posting with clenched fists. I can't tell you the number of times I've typed something out when I was frustrated, waited a few minutes and actually thought about what I was saying, then gone back and re-wrote it as something considerably less aggressive or negative.
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Thanks for your hard work making LRs! It is really depressing to read them.  I think this last IEM one was particularly bad (in terms of the community response), but most of the time they are all bad. My only good memory of a LR thread is when there were about 10 pages of people posting: MMA, MMA, MMA!
Get on skype with some friends, and actually enjoy the games with people who aren't assholes.
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On August 22 2011 03:54 GenoZStriker wrote:Show nested quote +Please keep the following things out of this topic:
-Caster/Stream/player bashing;
-Imbalance/race whine;
-LoL vs the world arguments;
-'Omfg cant believe people aren't watching SPL finals' comments;
-any other assorted offtopic negativism and arguments.
Enjoy this free multiday/multigame event that has been provided to you. Share your enthusiasm for the games!
Feel free to shoot me a PM or query me on IRC for any questions or comments. Have fun! ~Nyovne
[special edit: Any more derailing over the fact that someone made a Germany vs Poland WW2 joke after page 21 will be met with a week ban.] Has a LR thread ever had such a big warning?
biggest warning ever, yet the thread derailled massively with league of legends and balance whining
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Please come back, I feel your pain (minus people telling you not to LR, those people should be banned to hell). It is getting worse and worse, but the diamonds in the rough show through at the end of the day and LR will always need someone as good as MoonBear to keep us up to date.
I actually posted something about the mass amounts of idiots in LRs in the thread "Why cannot the SC-community accept imbalance".
My Post/Rant On Imbalance
The only other place worse than LR threads has to be people in stream chat talking about how the Pros are idiots or how they should of done X instead of Z. It just boggles my mind how ridiculous and childish some of these people are.
Anyway, I hope you don't stop because you did a damn good job. If you do stop, I hope you still enjoy posting and being around normal TL people.
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On August 22 2011 03:57 antilyon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:51 TheKefka wrote:I understand where you are coming from,but I really think this is just venting more than anything else for you.Looks like you need to take a break from the community around SC2 rather than to quit the game in general. I have felt about the same way as you did today when i was reading through the LR thread and was absolutely shocked by the posts people made and burrowed any decent discussion or information under it. I don't know what your situation is but for me,the reason why I go to LRs is because there are people that share(or at least are supposed to share-_-) the same enthusiasm for the game as myself.I don't really have any friends that are into Sc2 and I envy people that have get togethers at a bar or a place where they can just shout at what is going on and comment on the action. I know your upset at the community but at least take a brake than and come back to reconsider when the game has matured a little more. In fact,I know you will be back From what I understood, he is stopping LR threads.
Yea missunderstood:< sorry about the text wall.
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Sadly, your commentary about people complaining about other sports being popular actually does come up with some frequency on other forums :-\ I think people in general are just absolutely intolerant about the idea that people might like more than 1 activity. Somehow people have gotten past the concept that NBA, NFL, MLB can co-exist, but even NHL and you should see the racing forums. Honestly, the only place I've seen some decency is in the MMA/Boxing communities. Otherwise, even collegiate sports get destroyed ( though not nearly as badly as other places ). Apparently people fail to realize that, in general, more sports being popular actually is good for all the sports.
Regardless, the LR threads are awful. It's like 1 - 2 good posts every page at most.
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Honestly, best way to deal with LR threads -.- is to just not look at them. I remember trying to interact but now I just look at the OP and escort myself out of it.
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Sucks man, I actually like reading your GSL LR threads.
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I'll miss your LRing. I don't know how I will be able to keep up on tournaments a work now.
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(((
But you were one of the sole reasons i covered a GSTL with LR T_T
I hope LR-Threads will stop being filled with hate and i hope you might return in your Moonbearness
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Yeah, I closed the IEM LR thread after about 20 pages of reading it because of how much whining there was Thanks for doing actual LR, I really enjoyed reading it when I missed the games. I'll miss it.
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I agree with completely. And shame you were a great LR reporter .
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You didn't bring it up directly, but the number of "terran imba" posts was ridiculous. It seemed like 2/3 of the posts were either people whining about the 1/1/1 build or people defending it. Blizzard might find a way to nerf it or they might not, but the LR thread is not the place to discuss it, as the warning at the top of the thread indicated.
As far as complaining about other games, that happens in sports too. Go to a team's message board if part of their game is missed because the previous game was longer than expected or went into OT. It's still pretty dumb though.
I feel bad for the mods because there is absolutely no way they can keep up with the sheer quantity of posts in that thread.
I'm usually not in a position where I need to follow your live report threads, but I think you do a great service, and I'm sure a lot of people will miss that.
EDIT: Maybe instead of posting in the global LR thread, maybe do it as a blog and get mods to ban anybody else who posts in it? That will make easier for everybody to read, you can still provide a service that a lot of people enjoy, and you won't have to deal with all the BS .
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Just curious, how do people manage to find the LR? Other than the OP, once you click submit, if the match has a shit ton of viewers, you'll get 5 pages more to read, most with responses, must be a pain in the ass to dig through to find out what happened.
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I mean, if SC2 people were sports fans it would probably go like this.
Me: "Yeah, I was watching golf last night."
Them: "WTF WHY YOU WATCH GOLF YOU'RE RUINING SPORTS BECAUSE IT'S SO BORING AND LAME."
Me: "But... I like it. It's not like I hate on Hockey."
Them: "STFU, HOCKEY IS SPORTS. LAME ASS ESPN SHOWING GOLF WHICH DELAYS MY HOCKEY."
This was my favorite part.
On a more serious note:
I thought the thread title was "I am quitting SC2" and I was like OMG WHATTTTT for a second.
On a moreeee serious note:
Where ARE the LR threads? Never seen them
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Farewell, fair knight. Your excellent, high-quality LR will be sorely missed. Often have I missed games and had to rely on LRs for a quick recap, and to have one less dedicated LR poster greatly pains my heart.
Fear not, for I hope that your plight will instill courage and vigor into the hearts of other posters to take up the duty of dedicated LRing for the good of all of ESPORTS and TL. I hope that from the ashes of your retirement, a new generation will be inspired to carry on your legacy of quality LR and posting.
Your LR back in TSL inspired me to attempt some LR in some of the more obscure tournament threads, and though I currently no longer have time to LR, I hope to once again take up the duty in the future.
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Wow. I saw the "I am quitting" bit in the sidebar and assumed it was your standard RL/girl/balance blog, but when I saw MoonBear it turned out to be exactly what I was hoping it wasn't. For all the rest of us who legitimately want to read through a text game report, this is a terrible loss.
It's your call, of course, but maybe you could compile games into a single blog post, and ban the griefers?
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On August 22 2011 04:13 TehTemplar wrote:Where ARE the LR threads? Never seen them
Tournament threads are technically Live Report threads about said tournament. This is why you often split them up when they cross multiple days. Otherwise you could just edit the OP.
As for this topic, the low quality of SC2 posts (which I contributed to) is part of the reason I found no joy in the game after a while.
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I soo feel you moonbear and it saddens me to see more and more quality posters (who actually brought real content) quit. the offtopic spam/trolling/flaming has reached a point on TL.net that I never thought was possible.
Before I found my eHome in TL.net I used to surf through several german websites and also did coverage for readmore & fragster. I quit the coverage due to less time and I quit posting on german sites due to trolling/offtopic spam/flaming, that was not punished by mods. TL was my heaven and I loved the mod-staff for their iron hammer, but it seems like it lost its power somehow.
not sure if the TL staff needs more mods or just to remember their own strict rules (which are perfect the way they are written down). If help is needed I am willing to do my share, but right now I feel I would ban much more and harder than it`s actualy the case. : / I haven`t even read half the pages in todays LR, but what I saw was a pain. Many people in there called out for mods, because they felt left alone with the raging retards, that do nothing but destroy shit. I have seen readmore fall down and I dont want to see the same happen to TL. First indications are there though.
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Maybe if there was a live updated twitter bar outside of the thread that ran right next to the actual forum thread.
[Cough]R1CH[/Cough]
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On August 22 2011 04:12 echO [W] wrote:
Just curious, how do people manage to find the LR? Other than the OP, once you click submit, if the match has a shit ton of viewers, you'll get 5 pages more to read, most with responses, must be a pain in the ass to dig through to find out what happened.
I think LR is a LOT more practical in smaller threads, as there is a greater ratio of relevant LR to irrelevant posts. BW threads, some less-popular GSL threads, and some less-popular tournament threads sometimes have excellent LR and discussion and are quite easy to sift through.
However, the super-big, popular tournaments like NASL/GSL finals, MLG< Dreamhack, and IEM tend to be way too cumbersome to sift through to find decent LR due to the sheer bloat from all the irrelevant or inappropriate conversations and debates.
However, it is always convenient to have a dedicated LR person in the thread so that a front-page link can be made to the compilation of his LR. Some of the GSL threads have been doing this, and it's quite convenient.
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Maybe making post in LR threads not affect your postcount would improve them? To me LR threads are just people repeating the same thing over and over and pretty much worthless. It's like making a streamchat into a real thread pretty much.
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On August 22 2011 04:20 Eatme wrote:
Maybe making post in LR threads not affect your postcount would improve them? To me LR threads are just people repeating the same thing over and over and pretty much worthless. It's like making a streamchat into a real thread pretty much.
haha, a revolutionary and very good idea.
edit: i have no idea if this has been proposed before. now that you've mentioned it, it seems like a no-brainer, but it would make a huge difference in the post quality of LR threads
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I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?
I mainly see these tournament threads as viewer reactions on the event:
"OMG this is awesome"
"that guy is really losing his edge"
etc...
(If I'm totally wrong and this is banable, it's a good thing I don't post in them ^^)
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Honostly I only really checked LR threads to get your reports so... I am sad, although I totally understand your feelings on the matter. Too bad it came to this.
Thank you for all the value you brought to the threads.
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I've actually begun to warm to the idea of private subforums for members who pay a nominal fee (like $5) because of this problem. Elitism, sure, but the subscription model seems to work surprisingly well.
But thanks for your contributions Moonbear!
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I wish TL would have LR threads only for LR, and integrate the IRC chat in the thread until the end of the tournament. Don't know how hard is to code though.
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?.
I wonder if there are people interested on a tournament who are unable to watch the stream, probably yes.
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I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day.
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?.
Are you really that ignorant and selfish?
User was warned for this post
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can we get a "sc2 tournament thread purge" like the strategy forum received? seriously, I hardly tune in to the "LR threads" unless I'm stuck with my cell phone - and then I have to try to navigate the whining and hate to sometimes get an update about what actually happened in the game...
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Sadly, even though this community is one comprised of mostly intellectuals, the idiots seem to speak the loudest. I'd agree with you, I can't stand reading pretty much anything outside of the strategy forum, and even so I still read the occasional comment that causes me vomit.
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This is one of the reasons I rarely ever participate in LR threads, but it is what it is.
I ignore or pity most of them.
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I don't blame you. The IEM thread had a HUGE warning on top but people just keep ignoring it. It seems like the banhammers have been pretty slow recently also. I guess even the mods are getting too tired to deal with all the crap.
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?
I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details.
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MoonBear you're my F'n hero. I bailed from SC2 LR threads awhile ago for the same reasons you just outlined, but before that I always took comfort in seeing your posts in there, fighting the good fight.
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qq more bronzie
+ Show Spoiler +Thanks for posting, I hope some people will learn something from it, I will anyway.
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On August 22 2011 04:46 SnetteL wrote:qq more bronzie + Show Spoiler +Thanks for posting, I hope some people will learn something from it, I will anyway.
This was my favorite post of the thread. "Bronzie" is probably the stupidest insult I've ever seen someone come up with.
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I feel so sad for this to happen, that it has gone that far, I almost never view those threads when ever I can find a stream and just comment with friends etc. But sometimes when I can't watch stream I try to follow the PR, and it is so sad to see all the bad posts and people raging and talking shit. I hope some of the ppl who is responsible for this thinks about their posts in the future.
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United States37500 Posts
MoonBear
Come back to our subforum where you're truly appreciated.
<3
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On the bright side...
+ Show Spoiler +happy birthday! 
EDIT: Damnit NeoIllusions, now my post doesn't make sense.
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Thank you for all you've done.
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I agree, SC2 LR threads are awful. I used to participate, but then realized I wasn't actually reading the other comments to avoid brain hemorrhages and just stopped altogether. I especially love every other final of a big tournament which ever race is winning gets their own balance discussion. It's like the balance of the game changes from tournament final to tournament final.
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United States37500 Posts
trololol...
cause people don't have the capacity or memory to recall the post between yours and his... amirite?
:D
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Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread.
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This is why I stick to IRC during MLG. Moves too quickly for balance whine, and balance whiners won't post when they know no one will pay attention. People with beefy bandwidth who can actually watch both streams (I'm not one of those lucky people ) are often kind enough to post what is happening on them.
On August 22 2011 03:47 SenorChang wrote:
LR threads get pretty depressing for any major event days and there is just so much garbage to sift through :<
It's like online stadium where everyone hears your opinion on everything lol - and the actual occasional LR stuck in there (which can get hard for people who can't watch to actually know what is happening).
This is why I don't even try with LR threads. Trying to post during events becomes difficult because of all the filler posts and simultaneous balance arguments going on. And unlike some people I hate posting in a thread if I don't know what the current discussion is about, at that point you are just adding to the useless filler posts. Trying to go back and read them after the fact is annoying due to hundreds of useless filler posts that make it impossible to figure out where the discussion is at.
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On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?
I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you!
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</3 nooo- i need LR, when I don't have access to a computer and video
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But... but... but... Your live reports made lurking far more enjoyable
I completely understand your view, and agree 100%, but that doesn't stop me from being sad that a decline in posting quality has lead to the loss of a valuable poster.
I mean, I even had your (and other LR-er's) profile bookmarked so I could find your posts easily ^___^.
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United States22883 Posts
This is really, really sad to me. To be honest, I haven't had a need to read them in a while but I loved the fact that you did them and that there were regular users still putting effort into the little things like that. I started on this site reading every LR and even when I got a chance to watch the games, I would go back and re-read the thread to feel the excitement and enthusiasm again. If you were to do to the same thing today, you'd probably just be disgusted.
I completely sympathize with your reaction and response. Just when it seems like things are cleaning up a bit and people are self moderating themselves (days 3-4) we get a complete mess like today and it's really disheartening. I'm not sure what to say beyond that. I'm still reading through the LR thread and taking care of people who might've slipped through, but even after months and months of this, people still can't control themselves when they post in there.
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MoonBear
Come back to our subforum where you're truly appreciated.
<3
Sorry to hear you're giving up on the SC2 LRs, but like most people here have already stated, I wouldn't blame you.
Don't give up on us nubs in the LoL forums though...we love your posting way too much!
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On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread.
Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
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I feel your pain Moon, I stopped going to SC2 threads altogether for the same reasons, personally I think our community has gone to the gutters. I can't stand the posts I read in threads there.
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
Sounds like an awesome idea!
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it's all about the reactions though who wants to live report these days right
seems annoying to have 2 threads for one thing like that, but it's also terrible to lose any LR'ing in the garbage when that is after all the point of thread...right?
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Idiots are prone to congregate, and once they congregate their idiocy is magnified 10x by other idiot's unfounded boldness, it's just the way of things. I always enjoyed your LR's and they will be missed Moon
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I only use LR threads to check what happened, and now LP does that just fine so i use that.
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It's one thing if it's just the thread.
But when the host (Carmac) mentions SC2 three times during the LoL winners ceremony and goes on to ask: "who's ready for SC2?" with the expected result being louder applauds than for the LoL champs, then we've crossed the line.
You can't have 100k+ ppl watch on stream (loads more than the SC2 stream) sit through that, it's an insult to a [possibly larger] community.
If there's been a scheduling conflict prompting the situation where the [live] audience is expecting something other than what they get, ESL can't just sell out whatever dragged out on time. LoL is not a 'pre-band' to SC2.
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
If something like this happens I promise to spend hours during MLG using my Report button so this shit gets figured out/enforced
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I really don't have anything against SC2 the game, but if I could go back to TL pre-SC2beta I would do it without any hesitation, really.
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Hehe why not just have a twitter dedicated to live report. The LR threads can be used just for chat. I know 99% of the time I read the LR thread just to see what others are thinking, not to check the score etc. Stupid posts like OMG NANIWA NICCCEEE or even hateful posts like WOW NOOB CHEESER GO BACK TO CODE B are expected and sometimes even amusing.
A solution would just get a twitter and live report off it. I don't know why it's never been done, and people without access to stream are forced to weave through pages of posts just to find their information. Seems so old fashioned in this day and age.
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While separation of LR into independent thread or Twitter is excellent idea, that does NOT excuse the terrible posts so-called other's thought processes generate. I myself would not be saddened to see serious purge sweep through the Tournament Forum; those who want to see hateful posts can go elsewhere.
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On August 22 2011 03:43 MoonBear wrote:
The SC2 Live Report Threads are a complete mess. It is telling that we never really needed to have big warning signs at the top of threads telling people what not to post until SC2 really came around.
I was already wondering wether that was the case...
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On August 22 2011 05:22 Divinek wrote:
it's all about the reactions though who wants to live report these days right
seems annoying to have 2 threads for one thing like that, but it's also terrible to lose any LR'ing in the garbage when that is after all the point of thread...right?
might seem annoying to have 2 threads but tbh i find it more annoying to actually find the LR in the threads using my phone (pretty much the only time i need the LR-posts), it's just impossible to keep up witht the pace of those threads and filter through all the comments that are not really helping at the moment, i'd be happy about 2 seperate threads
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I haven't read a live report thread other than the League of Legends forum ones in a really, really long time. Not even BW -- BW has some pretty shitty posters, too. Not AS bad as SC2, but still pretty spammy.
It'd be nice if we could just have some mods volunteer to crack down on repeat offenders for a specific thread each night -- monitor a thread, warn people who don't obey the rules posted at the top of the thread, ban them if they continue to act-up. Do this for a little while until people get used to it and post a bit more considerately.
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I don't know you because I'm primarily a BW person (although I do follow SC2). But I do agree with what your saying however I am opposed to your actions. Stopping your commitment to the LR thread is only hurting SC2. No one is going to think you are Saint for stopping you LR-ing you will just be forgotten. Or because of this blog, just remembered as giving up on SC2. Continue what you've been doing and are good at and stay committed to the SC2 LR threads because those who want to make it better will achieve that. Look at how far SC:BW has evolved. And I do believe in SC2!
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I never go into the live report threads. A combination of the fast rate, not a lot of reading and responding to eachother, just quick one liners like you mentioned which are some of the worst things to read and there's always an abundance of them there.
I feel that there are way too many posters for the live report thread itself to ever get good quality. Many times when there is a good quality thread, not a lot of people respond to it. Just to put that in perspective. If one person makes a stupid remark, tons of people will end up responding to the same post.
What I would like to recommend is a different way of doing the live reporting. Where I came from it was the OP that got updated and you could just refresh it and it would grow larger. Because currently there is a lot of qouting going on and it seems to just get lost in the whole of it. You can also add in value by layout, timestamps, headers, segments all those to give it more value.
A lot more people would probably go to the live report thread if it was that way and if they start commenting meaningful things a few of those around might adapt a little. Or it might grow even worse but it seems like a nicer way, people can choose to skip all the crap and just stay on the frontpage and enjoy it.
You could say that because of the nature of the live report thread, mostly how fast it goes, people feel it doesn't really matter what they say, or they will try to post something really instigative to bait a response. I wouldn't really know how to fix it and maybe it doesn't need fixing. I like IRC, others might like this?
I also agree with Cedstick's point a lot. The policies are great but when it becomes hard to decide I feel moderation leans safer towards the safer side of not taking action. If you do it for smaller things, there will be an even larger part of posts you aren't moderating in the same way.
Just throwing that carefulness out the door and laying down the law could be great.
Maybe you could create a new ban category that allows you to ban people under that and use it in a more carefree manner.
Edit: Sentence didn't make sense
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On August 22 2011 06:07 BisuDagger wrote:
I don't know you because I'm primarily a BW person (although I do follow SC2). But I do agree with what your saying however I am opposed to your actions. Stopping your commitment to the LR thread is only hurting SC2. No one is going to think you are Saint for stopping you LR-ing you will just be forgotten. Or because of this blog, just remembered as giving up on SC2. Continue what you've been doing and are good at and stay committed to the SC2 LR threads because those who want to make it better will achieve that. Look at how far SC:BW has evolved. And I do believe in SC2!
No one is obligated to do anything, really. If he's so annoyed that it's not worth his time any more, that's it. It's not really a question of belief in SC2 as much as "fuck this".
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
If it goes through can you get me a shiny icon? I need to quickly copyright the idea......
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On August 22 2011 06:22 BloodNinja wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol). If it goes through can you get me a shiny icon? I need to quickly copyright the idea......
On April 04 2011 17:04 Iyerbeth wrote:
My suggestion therefore would be to warn/ban any non game report post in LR threads and have a seperate Tournament Fan Reaction thread, or a link to a chat specifically for discussing that tournament in the way LR threads currently seem to function in the OP or mod note at the top of the thread thingy where people can just discuss the game.
Yoink!
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Drazerk once told me it's best to just ignore peoples comments on your live report and do it how you think it should be done. People will disagree with you no matter how you do it.
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MoonBear I had respect for your live report posts from the first time I read them. They've always been instant, direct, as far from bias as possible- they've shown through the utter deluge of live report posts that are like an avalanche covering up content. I've learned a lot about how to do live reports from your styles and I will truly miss reading them.
I cannot express enough how much I hope to see you posting in GSL LR threads still. You can't deny most of the asshats are asleep and the quality or at least the volume is better (or lower).
I don't want you to go! You've been part of the tournament thread community (inside the TL community, I know inception joke) since before I started reading them.
If you stay away forever you will always be remembered for your contributions. Thank you for all the words, keystrokes, time and care MoonBear.
But I sure as fuck don't blame you. By the start of the MC-Puma set I stopped reading the thread and started thumbing through it hitting report. The only reason I was in that thread was to help report the worst of the worst comments. I can't imagine I'll want to do this forever so there's that.
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Your contribution was well appreciated. I respect your decision. You might reconsider and use the banhammer for the ones that deserve it. Only idiots argue on internet. You shouldn't care! Easy for me to tell that. anyway
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Although i've never needed to read the LR from you, i always thought it was cool that at least one person was actually following the intention of the thread
And yea, the LR threads are terrible. Just whine whine and more whine. I dont get what kind of people sit down sunday evening and decide to cry on the internet over a video game. I just dont get it.
People threatening to quit sc2 over a game they watched really entertained me though.
Will miss your LR'ing
Oh, and I like the reaction vs LR thread idea.
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On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread. Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).
I've always thought that this was a pretty shitty solution. Unfortunately I don't have a better one. If the threads are divided most obviously the views will be split between the two threads. To the point where it actually takes away some of the worth of a live report thread. At least in my humble opinion.
Then comes the issue of who's opening the thread? Who's doing the live report? Somebody started doing a LR OFF of one of MoonBears live report in the middle of game two. Crass? Sure. Wrong? Not really. No one who has ever done a LR for starcraft2 has an inherent right to it. Anyone can open the tournament thread and anyone can do the live report. It's just a matter of who wants to step up and make sure something is formatted and the contents quality is up to the standards that the rest of us are all used to.
So that suggestion, sure I like it. But it raises more issues that CANNOT be addressed after the change is implemented. If it is decided that separate threads should be implemented then it must be decided how the person to open those threads and the contingencies for most common situations (I.E. OP cannot continue half way through). I'd like the idea a lot more if I heard the answers or at least ideas on the problems and solutions as well as just "We'll open two different threads!"
Apologies for the double post but I really didn't feel like punctuating my thanks to MoonBear with an entirely different reply to your post.
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On August 22 2011 03:57 mucker wrote:
Damn. I selfishly rely on live reporters like you a fair amount these days, just don't have time to watch much. Completely understand though. Maybe the lr threads could have something like the blue posts in the strat forum to help the good stuff rise above the rest?
What do the blue posts signify?
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I have to disagree with the assertions you made in "The E-Sports Argument" section. I'm going to quote the Co-Founder and President of Razer (one of the sponsors of Team Liquid) Robert Krakoff who answer an interview question on the cross pollination of esports. He addresses it better than I would.
Right now, the different E-Sports communities have little interaction with each other and many people are talking about E-Sports "cross-pollination". Do you think that this would benefit the E-Sports scene, or suffocate it? If E-Sports cross-pollination is a good idea, how should it be approached?
Razer Guy: IMO this would be like trying to combine the World Series, the French Open Tennis and the Super Bowl together because so many people love sports. If I’m a FPS advocate and I follow certain players who are my favorites, I don’t want to have to sit through a FIFA competition to get to Quake. Personally I believe this is a mistake and dilutes the impact.
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i think what is needed is LR threads that are actually only for LR idk how this would be done, possibly by giving special rights to whoever is LR'ing the event maybe?
its a shame to see such a great LR'er go gl in future ventures
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On August 22 2011 06:44 GigaFlop wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 03:57 mucker wrote:
Damn. I selfishly rely on live reporters like you a fair amount these days, just don't have time to watch much. Completely understand though. Maybe the lr threads could have something like the blue posts in the strat forum to help the good stuff rise above the rest? What do the blue posts signify?
Your immediate attention and through difference, a air of officialism. I brought this up in website feedback a couple of months ago. (link)
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Hey, don't associate the LoL haters with the BW crowd...
Those SC2 LRs get spammed so hard anyway that it's impossible to keep up.
Since Zona says he's not gonna LR for BW games anymore, you should come pitch in!
Either way, thanks for sharing your frustrations with us and I'm sure most people would agree with you.
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On August 22 2011 07:01 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Hey, don't associate the LoL haters with the BW crowd...
Those SC2 LRs get spammed so hard anyway that it's impossible to keep up.
Since Zona says he's not gonna LR for BW games anymore, you should come pitch in!
Either way, thanks for sharing your frustrations with us and I'm sure most people would agree with you.
Lol the BW LR threads are remarkably tame in comparison. As someone who enjoys watching both ScBW and Sc2, I have to say it's funny how much I appreciate the BW threads when prior to Sc2 I didn't give them a second thought. You still have trolls, but in general it's a nice atmosphere of people discussing games, players, strats, etc and genuinly enjoying Starcraft instead of actively seeking things to hate on.
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It's also quite nice that half the posts ARE live reports of whats happening.
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I think separating the LR threads from the reaction threads is a good start. But really that will just mean that all the dumb balance talk will go in the reaction thread. Is it possible to make it so you can ban people from posting in LR threads for like a week? Sort of like with the strategy forum. I know mods already do a good job of banning people who are balance whining in LR threads. But honestly when there is a huge header at the top telling you not to do it, and you proceed to do it anyways, a 2-day ban is sort of a light punishment.
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I never "wasted" (for lack of a better word) my time in the SC2 LRs, so I can't say anything about you in particular, but I know they tend to end up resulting in a gongshow a lot of the time, and there's nothing you can really do to change that as 1 person, so I would just try to not take it personally.
There seems to be a hell of a lot more people who appreciate your LRing than there are dipshits you attack you and insult you, etc, and that's always the case; you see plenty of people who are appreciated for the most part, but there's always someone being a pain in the ass regardless. There's really a not a whole lot you can do to prevent that either. It's just something you have to accept if you were to decide to keep LRing.
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You're not allowed to quit.
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On August 22 2011 06:44 ptbl wrote:I have to disagree with the assertions you made in "The E-Sports Argument" section. I'm going to quote the Co-Founder and President of Razer (one of the sponsors of Team Liquid) Robert Krakoff who answer an interview question on the cross pollination of esports. He addresses it better than I would. Show nested quote +Right now, the different E-Sports communities have little interaction with each other and many people are talking about E-Sports "cross-pollination". Do you think that this would benefit the E-Sports scene, or suffocate it? If E-Sports cross-pollination is a good idea, how should it be approached?
Razer Guy: IMO this would be like trying to combine the World Series, the French Open Tennis and the Super Bowl together because so many people love sports. If I’m a FPS advocate and I follow certain players who are my favorites, I don’t want to have to sit through a FIFA competition to get to Quake. Personally I believe this is a mistake and dilutes the impact.
Yeah, I kinda have to agree with this.
Seeing SC2 lumped into this whole "e-sports" mumbo-jumbo has gone a bit over the top. It's like the events naturally assume we're all "e-sports fans", and there's this whole related propaganda about the growth of e-sports and whatnot.
I like BW, I like SC2, and a tiny bit of me even liked WC3 - and I enjoy watching very skilled people play these games on a very high level. That's basically it. I feel no camaraderie with other competitive games, their communities or any ideological connection with the concept of e-sports.
I've recently developed a mild dislike for the term "e-sports" itself to be completely honest.
That said, I don't actually express this feeling in LR threads, and I don't think anyone should. But this seemed like a semi-appropriate place to say this (since I hate making my own blog threads -_-).
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On August 22 2011 04:32 TheAntZ wrote:I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day. Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?. Are you really that ignorant and selfish?
I feel like the quote is taken a bit out of context.
Yes, it's probably a bit of a selfish statement, but ultimately just a question. Also, I do regret not mentioning that I actually have found use for LR threads when I missed an opener or something, so I do see some use for it. But the stuff I see for the popular sc2 tournaments is completely out of proportion, and I wouldn't care to read it.
On August 22 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details.
So, say you're watching GSL and have to go for an hour... Are you actually gonna read 100+ pages just to catch up? Of course you could just be more committed than I can even fathom - usually I just look at the results and go back to the stream...
On August 22 2011 05:00 Mithriel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you!
I guess this is also just commitment that I can't fathom. No disrespect if you actually do it and won't get fired for it, but when I'm at work, I'm at work. SC is my hobby and a passion, but not something I spend time on while at work.
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Come to think about it... Why don't TL get some staff (like the OP who seem to care for his cause) to actually live report in some separate locked thread and have the masses spam in some other thread..?
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I agree 100% with your OP :3
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I quit LR threads today too, mostly because mods let two trolls roam free and then proceed to warn/ban everyone who bashed the trolls and showed that their behaviour is wrong. Oh well.
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On August 22 2011 08:13 XsebT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:32 TheAntZ wrote:I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day. On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?. Are you really that ignorant and selfish? I feel like the quote is taken a bit out of context. Yes, it's probably a bit of a selfish statement, but ultimately just a question. Also, I do regret not mentioning that I actually have found use for LR threads when I missed an opener or something, so I do see some use for it. But the stuff I see for the popular sc2 tournaments is completely out of proportion, and I wouldn't care to read it. Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote:On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details. So, say you're watching GSL and have to go for an hour... Are you actually gonna read 100+ pages just to catch up? Of course you could just be more committed than I can even fathom - usually I just look at the results and go back to the stream... Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 05:00 Mithriel wrote:On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you! I guess this is also just commitment that I can't fathom. No disrespect if you actually do it and won't get fired for it, but when I'm at work, I'm at work. SC is my hobby and a passion, but not something I spend time on while at work.
Come on man, theres people that cant watch because their internet goes to shit often (me), theres people that are out of the house but wanna know whats going on, so they check it on phone, maybe someones at a friends house and they just wanna use their comp to checkup on how the games going, theres so many circumstances where people will see moonbear, or probe1 or someone elses LR and think 'thank god for this guy'. I mean theres a whole ton of people thanking them in each LR thread
It wasnt even that you said "I dont find that useful" you called it crap and seemed surprised anyone would read it.
I'm sorry, but that just shows you didnt consider at all that some people might have opinions or circumstances different from your own
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I dont really read the LR threads a lot, but when I couldnt watch I was really thankful for the work that you,MrCon & Co did, so it's quite sad to see you not LRing from now.But then I know how you feel especially about the balance whines and raging, it's gone beyond funny, into frustrating to read.
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Dont read live reports anymore, theyre literally frustrating. I just think next tournament mods should all agree to watch the thread simultaneously and any remotely bad post gets a 2week. Do it for one or two threads and people will catch on.
That or give rekrul ban permission for the tournament section only.
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Sorry to hear this. I like reading peoples' LRs for when I can't watch live and won't be watching the VODs.
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On August 22 2011 08:42 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 08:13 XsebT wrote:On August 22 2011 04:32 TheAntZ wrote:I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day. On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?. Are you really that ignorant and selfish? I feel like the quote is taken a bit out of context. Yes, it's probably a bit of a selfish statement, but ultimately just a question. Also, I do regret not mentioning that I actually have found use for LR threads when I missed an opener or something, so I do see some use for it. But the stuff I see for the popular sc2 tournaments is completely out of proportion, and I wouldn't care to read it. On August 22 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote:On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details. So, say you're watching GSL and have to go for an hour... Are you actually gonna read 100+ pages just to catch up? Of course you could just be more committed than I can even fathom - usually I just look at the results and go back to the stream... On August 22 2011 05:00 Mithriel wrote:On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap? I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you! I guess this is also just commitment that I can't fathom. No disrespect if you actually do it and won't get fired for it, but when I'm at work, I'm at work. SC is my hobby and a passion, but not something I spend time on while at work. Come on man, theres people that cant watch because their internet goes to shit often (me), theres people that are out of the house but wanna know whats going on, so they check it on phone, maybe someones at a friends house and they just wanna use their comp to checkup on how the games going, theres so many circumstances where people will see moonbear, or probe1 or someone elses LR and think 'thank god for this guy'. I mean theres a whole ton of people thanking them in each LR thread It wasnt even that you said "I dont find that useful" you called it crap and seemed surprised anyone would read it. I'm sorry, but that just shows you didnt consider at all that some people might have opinions or circumstances different from your own
I thought I made it quite clear that I indeed had not considered your level of commitment. However, I don't see why you would you get upset by my opinion of calling it crap. I believe this was exacly the reason why OP stopped live reporting - because it's mainly crap. I do understand that some people find it useful, including myself at times (like I mentioned), but what's happening in the sc2 tournaments forum can, for the most part, hardly be called live reporting.
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Aww. Its terrible that you're deciding to quit. You were one of the best posters around. I'll miss your LRing...
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Well that sucks. I just hope everyone with their idiotic LR posts learns a lesson from this.
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You've got some amazing hope sir TT.
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Thank you for your time and effort moonbear.
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On August 22 2011 04:50 NeoIllusions wrote:
MoonBear
Come back to our subforum where you're truly appreciated.
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Yes this :D Love your posting o wrenchperson. Please don't abandon us in our subforum <3
Sad to hear you're not LRing anymore. Personally, I dont even go to LR threads anymore outside of seeing tourney results and recommended games. A lot of the posts in there just make me want to rage.
I think it's really really sad that TL has to post giant warnings on top of like 50% of all SC2 threads telling people what's allowed and what's not. I've only been here since 2009, but I always imagined TL to be a forum where the users all had very respectable maturity levels and were smart enough to use their common sense and dictate what they should and shouldn't say. TL always had its share of idiots, but it just disheartening to see how things have gotten. I mean...giant warnings at the top of every thread? And even then there are warnings/bans everywhere? Really TL? :[
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On August 22 2011 09:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Well that sucks. I just hope everyone with their idiotic LR posts learns a lesson from this.
If they were thinking that hard or cared that much, the situation probably wouldn't exist in the first place. Either that or something forbids them from reading the giant warnings at the top of the pages.
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On August 22 2011 10:28 Kibibit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 09:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Well that sucks. I just hope everyone with their idiotic LR posts learns a lesson from this. If they were thinking that hard or cared that much, the situation probably wouldn't exist in the first place. Either that or something forbids them from reading the giant warnings at the top of the pages.
I think the essence of live-reporting has been lost to some ppl who just use it as a place to talk about anything they please.
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Today was just absurd. There was absolutely no end to the Terran/Protoss and MC/PuMa complaints. Every F5 I made generated another 3 pages of whining. And it wasn't just low post-count users. There were plenty of "experienced" posters as well (maybe not long-time members though; I didn't check).
Sucks to see a true live reporter go when there really aren't that many.
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Sorry if I've ever made a bad post that annoyed you, sucks that you've been put off so much.
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There should be dedicated LR threads where only approved LR'ers can post. Most of them are filled with people either bashing the tournament, the casters, the players or Blizzard and useless "OMG MC SO GOOD" comments.
And godforbid if IdrA plays, LR threads go mad.
Sorry to see you stop, though, it's always great to come back and after a tournament that I missed and read your LR and get a gist of the games. Maybe you should LR in the blogs where you can just edit the OP without others disrupting you or LR on Twitter? (I won't be able to read Twitter in China but I reckon a lot of people would find that useful) Of course, when you want to come back, that is.
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United States10328 Posts
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it's ok, just LR for BW instead 
but seriously, I'm glad you (and others) created a way of LRing games effectively (that we in BW were too lazy / uninnovative to discover ourselves). you don't have to LR anymore, but at least you're a little bit of history now ^^
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Very sorry to hear that and after reading your thread I understand your viewpoint and I agree with most points.
Its a shame, that when the community got bigger by the release of SC2, some trolls and idiots decided to join TL and say(complain) whatever they want without any real logic. Of course this doesn't go for everyone, there were a lot of smart and kind people who also joined TL because of SC2. I'm not really sure anymore man, I feel like the trolls population has out-weighted in the internet in general. Thanks for all the work and effort you have done in the past, appreciate it, cheers  .
A hero we need but a hero we don't deserve
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While I totally agree with you. I just, for some reason, cannot stop viewing the thread. I mean I hate reading those idiot comments but what I looking for was comments type of hype. Like OMG OMG OMG. Today I watch Navi vs. EHOME Dota2 on VoD, couldnt catch that right. But I just wanted to open the LR thread to see other people reactions to some incredible moves. After that I was like aww right, everyone finds that as awesome as I do. What I said on the other hand was not the purpose of Live report... So I don't know what happened to LR nowadays.
I wish you have a good time not having to read all the idiot comments and enjoy the games.
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I thought people LR because they wanted to just raise their post count up. I thought that was kind of annoying from my perspective, but you're absolutely right about the amount of complaining and whining in the sc2 forums.
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You're welcome to drop by BW LRs. Not as much spam just because there's fewer people overall; and we need more dedicated observers again.
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Do BW LRs!!! In general, the only thing you have to deal with are Bisu fanboys and Bisu antifans(and even then, some of it's still good-natured)! Could always use another good BW Live Reporter.
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well can't say I blame you quitting LR after reading posts like that, I am especially annoyed by people that hate on other esports.
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Although I rarely find myself in need of your services it is sad to see you stopping. LR are indeed a mess, they seemed to be getting better for a bit but have turned for the worse once more the past few weeks. I try to do what I can by reporting the trash but I think they really need a zatic level purge.
Maybe you could write up recaps in more of an article format if you're still interested in that kind of stuff.
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I dont really read the LR threads, but it is still sad to see someone with your amount of posts quit! If only the idiots weren't the majority who posted. I rarely post. I would assume that the majority of the sc2 community doesn't post replies either. Maybe if We did, the idiots would seem less numerous.
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The nature of LR threads indicate they will be trash. They are literally the place people go when they want to say whatever has come to the mind the MOMENT the game is over. Rather than filtering their though processes they just let spill with whatever sort of reactionary garbage they have in their mind as soon as the games over.
Remember the MC v July GSL finals? MC completely outplayed July, he had his style figured out, but people instead of reviewing/analyzing the game made the snap call of FFs being op because they didn't like MC winning.
It's sad that LR threads are so trashy, and I don't blame you for quitting them, but they are inherently trashy just because of what they are - a mob mentality mixed with reactionary posting.
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Come LR some BW, the threads are much better except when Best is sent for an ace match vs Flash
+ Show Spoiler +jkjk
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As a consolation, go to closed threads and check out the recent bans (maybe last 4-5 pages). You know there has been a major event when those pages are 95% "balance whining" or "terrible post in a LR thread."
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On August 22 2011 11:56 Weedk wrote:
Do BW LRs!!! In general, the only thing you have to deal with are Bisu fanboys and Bisu antifans(and even then, some of it's still good-natured)! Could always use another good BW Live Reporter.
Dunno man, I dealt with KT fanboys one time; that was horrible.
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On August 22 2011 13:47 Snipinpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 11:56 Weedk wrote:
Do BW LRs!!! In general, the only thing you have to deal with are Bisu fanboys and Bisu antifans(and even then, some of it's still good-natured)! Could always use another good BW Live Reporter. Dunno man, I dealt with KT fanboys one time; that was horrible.
why do people think KT fans are so aggressive(well only sawamura and FlashFTW are but the rest are pretty much ok)
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On August 22 2011 14:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 13:47 Snipinpanda wrote:On August 22 2011 11:56 Weedk wrote:
Do BW LRs!!! In general, the only thing you have to deal with are Bisu fanboys and Bisu antifans(and even then, some of it's still good-natured)! Could always use another good BW Live Reporter. Dunno man, I dealt with KT fanboys one time; that was horrible. why do people think KT fans are so aggressive(well only sawamura and FlashFTW are but the rest are pretty much ok)
Romantic prolly.
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On August 22 2011 14:16 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2011 14:11 BLinD-RawR wrote:On August 22 2011 13:47 Snipinpanda wrote:On August 22 2011 11:56 Weedk wrote:
Do BW LRs!!! In general, the only thing you have to deal with are Bisu fanboys and Bisu antifans(and even then, some of it's still good-natured)! Could always use another good BW Live Reporter. Dunno man, I dealt with KT fanboys one time; that was horrible. why do people think KT fans are so aggressive(well only sawamura and FlashFTW are but the rest are pretty much ok) Romantic prolly.
there are 2 romantics that are KT fans bro,one is banned the other is TL staff who I have not seen in a long ass time...
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First of all, thanks for all your efforts with the LRing, I have relied on your reports in the past, they were very helpful, sad to hear that you're going to stop doing it.
I can understand your reasoning and think it's understandable that someone who does this voluntarily in his free time would not want to put up with this crap, especially considering that you don't receive the appreciation you should.
On the other hand I would however like to add that when you're in this 'business' you just need to grow a thick skin and learn to just completely ignore all the fools, haters and trolls. The moderators here are already working hard but it's just not possible to weed out all the bad seeds. I know that 'just ignore them' is easier said than done, but there is no other way and just giving up because of those guys is the easy way out.
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Germany25657 Posts
LR threads are absolutely terrible
I understand your decision 100%
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You, sir, said what I thought for a long thime. As a rare poster, but frequent reader, I'm shocked by the low standards people use to write in the LR sometimes. I do not unterstand it. I really do not.
"Just grow a thick skin" is the wrong attidude in my opinion. It's a mystery to me why people on the internetz fall to these low standards in writing. The real life analogy is nice, who whould ever talk like this to anyone?
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I guess it's a little too bad...
Interestingly enough, today, I considered writing a blog about how I like LR threads. Yes, I enjoy it a lot when I see fanboy vs fanboy + balance whine. I look at LR threads with a view of connecting with the community, and to know what the community is thinking about during the match.
I don't think LR threads are that much different if you would go to a sporting event, for example. There, instead of complaining about imbalance, they would be complaining about umpires.
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I entirely agree with your post. In my opinion live reports should be moderated 10 times more heavily than today. The amount of hate and the lack of reporting is aggravating. I don't mind reading people cheering. That kinda adds to the hype. But people complaining, insulting players, insulting teams should be banned from those threads.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
I am sorry to hear that you are quitting your excellent work but I completely agree with you. The live report threads have become really bad as of late and while I used to joke about if we would see a warning but now they are pretty much mandatory. As someone who still live reports ( Well I've been slacking recently ) I pretty much ignore 99% of the posts, possibly reporting the worse posts during a break.
Ill miss you moon but I still have your guide in my bookmarks
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=220757#1
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I'm sure people have said this already, but it really is a shame.
For all it's worth, these treads are trolled by a very loud minority. If you have the moral strength to ignore them, I assure you that your threads are appreciated by heaps of silent every-day stuck-at-workers who now have tears in their eyes.
It's like when you post an article, as a reporter. Get the news out, most people love you for it. Then just ignore the trolls that spam the "comments" page. You don't even need to interract with them.
In any case I strongly suggest you continue, although I understand your worry and desire to move on.
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On August 22 2011 09:14 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Well that sucks. I just hope everyone with their idiotic LR posts learns a lesson from this.
Me too :\
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Oh man It's just impossible to successfully moderate LR threads 100% (correct me if I'm wrong) so trolls have free reign, and then people answer the trolls and it spirals.
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I have always respected you LR's and i have said it couple of time out loud. When i was at work/school i used your info to read what is happening. Well, i don't blame you - LR threads are total shit fest and they'll stay that way. I can barely keep reading those. Theres no way i could start live-reporting..
Those "ruleboxes" doesn't even matter. None read/follow them or people who could do something about the people who doesn't follow the rules, doesn't do anything.. despite all the "rules" and what not.
Too bad.. we lost one of the hardest working people in the LR threads, because of idiots.
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Sucks.
I completely understand though. I haven't ventured into the SC2 section in about two weeks, and it's because of the irreverent stupidity I continue to see in there day in and day out. If it's not 1000 pages out of a 1200 page LR thread being bitching about MC winning over Cruncher with a nooby-DT rush, it's people in the Strategy section shitting on Tyler in the "This is why Koreans think 1/1/1 is unbeatable" thread because Tyler is apparently shit now.
Join the, (I'm sad to say), long line that's starting. We're refugees of a SC2 section that can't seem to stop hating on itself. It's like Reddit's hate seeped in or something.
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I'll definitely miss your LRs, as someone who loves the scene but struggles to keep up sometimes, your LRs were a godsend. I get the frustration though, and hopefully that specific part of the fanbase will either mature with the game, or find something new to latch onto when DotA2 comes out. Best wishes!
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You were always the best poster in those LR threads, along with the OPs.
Thanks.
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Sad day, indeed, as it's nice to be able to find a solid recap of games I wasn't able to watch, but I certainly understand wanting to avoid all the garbage that can go on in the LR threads.
You're a hero among bears...from...uh...the moon? It impresses me that you are not only able to type coherently using your massive paws of justice, but also have to migrate the messages from the moon in the process. (Ok, mostly an odd visual to make myself laugh and pretend like it was marginally funny)
Seriously, though, your presence will be missed, as one of the few sane voices amongst the madness.
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THIS BLOG IS BAD FOR ESPORTS.*
*I jest.
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Why is it so bad really? What do people want LR threads to be?
Do you want every post to be an analysis with theorycrafting and unit testers?
I have always seen LR threads as a place to vent your thoughts about the games and discuss them. If I think something is imbalanced in that game, I expect to be able to speak my mind about it. If I'm angry with the fact that LoL is taking up SC2 stream time, I expect to be able to speak my mind about it aswell. If I like SC2 and not other games, I expect to be able to say that aswell...
This is a SC2 website after all, and it's only to be expected that people dislike other games taking their time. Imagine coming home after a long day from work, you bought some nice beer and snacks and you're about to watch the finals of an awesome tournament. Then you put on the stream and something else is on and you have to wait another 2 hrs. I'd be pissed.
I'm all for the advancement of e-sports, but you have to understand this PoV.
I quite frankly don't understand why it's such a big deal that MODERATORS need to step in and make a warning above every LR thread.. -.-
Anyway, it's a shame that you will stop LRing, I'll get off summerbreak soon and back into school and it was always fun following your reports.
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On August 23 2011 14:22 Daimai wrote:
I quite frankly don't understand why it's such a big deal that MODERATORS need to step in and make a warning above every LR thread.. -.-
Because you can sometimes go through half a dozen or more pages without a single good post. Which makes the threads unreadable as it is a bunch of work to read something that should be enjoyable.
I honestly think you have to be very heavy handed with the bans to get the crap to stop and make the idiots go away but it feels like the mods here (1)don't have to time (2)don't want to scare off too many people or be seem as draconian.
Fact is you need big, active, decisive mod teams, because at the moment everyone knows they can shit up threads all day and get away with it so they do.
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I love all your responses. I might have to start going to LR threads and shooting down haters for fun. Sad to see you go, it's bad when you have good and bad in LR and then good starts to leave.
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i've actually seen your LR's
i think you need to realize how much of dumbasses people are. you're a great poster and you shouldn't let random forum haters get to you.
there hundreds of posters posting in LR threads and only a fraction of them are retards. don't let the retards get to you, that's how they winnnn.
it's like posting in youtube comments. there are a fuckton of retards posting and whether you want to have actual discussion or not is your decision. you can say screw this i'm done posting in youtube comments or try to make it better, your call. hell youtube is a lost cause but i don't think LR threads are.
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Thanks for all your LRs . I usually rely on LR to find out what happens since usually don't watch any games live.
Again thanks and sorry to see it end this way but it's understandable since the LR thread is crazy at times.
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Yeah, thanks for the LRs. I don't play SC2 actively and your LRs were a perfect way to see what is actually happening ingame
Yet I think moderators should really go overboard for a few weeks with warnings and bans. This will be a lot of work, but people won't learn otherwise.
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wow. i'm sad that the first LR thread I posted in (I didn't post any hate) was your last. I noticed when the game started that you were the best actual LRer, and I tried to LR but just failed. I hope I can figure out how you made your posts look so good and so full of information in such a short time, and although I don't use LR threads often it saddens me that you're stopping. I hope that maybe sometime you would come back -_-
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Sad to hear, but I gotta admit there's a ton of that going around in most places I travel on the interwebs and it makes me not enjoy things that I used to, including spots of TL. I even quit ESEA because of all the hate around that place and have stopped playing some games because of the people that you are forced to interact with when trying to game online. Seems so odd that anyone that's into SC would act that way but it didn't take long. I stopped going into LR threads a while back and I assume without guys like you around there going to get even worse. Wish everyone would just grow the fuck up and be more respectful, regardless of that old cliche "its the internet dude, what do you expect?".
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Sad to see you go. I found that instead of complaining about race imbalances on the forums, you might as well talk about the game and enjoy it. I'm not sure about other people, but if I used a LR thread, I never, ever talk crap about the game, I'm just thankful that someone is actually posting stuff up that updates me.
Hopefully we'll find someone to fill your shoes, but until this problem is fixed... well...
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Hadn't read a LR thread for a while, and thought you were being stupid when I first read this.
But after today's (spoiler for todays GSL ro16) + Show Spoiler +MMA vs Polt LR, where there was endless bashing of Polt. It really ruined what was a really amazing series. I was hoping the LR thread would help me understand (because I don't play terran), but it was just Polt bashing and Polt defending.
Sad to see you go, and sad that LR threads are becoming so toxic.
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I wonder, would it be possible to get 2 threads when an event occures? One for live report, where only live reporters can post (perma ban the others should be easy, and just select a few live reporters before the games) and an other for everyone?
Because you can't even find the LR sometimes in the thread, and browsing through balance whining is boring.
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On August 23 2011 22:45 imr.e wrote:
I wonder, would it be possible to get 2 threads when an event occures? One for live report, where only live reporters can post (perma ban the others should be easy, and just select a few live reporters before the games) and an other for everyone?
Because you can't even find the LR sometimes in the thread, and browsing through balance whining is boring.
While a good idea, it just shouldn't be necessary in the first place.
Sorry to hear it Moonbear, when my internet would shit on me, LR's like yours were the only thing keeping me in the action T_T
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On August 24 2011 02:28 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 22:45 imr.e wrote:
I wonder, would it be possible to get 2 threads when an event occures? One for live report, where only live reporters can post (perma ban the others should be easy, and just select a few live reporters before the games) and an other for everyone?
Because you can't even find the LR sometimes in the thread, and browsing through balance whining is boring. While a good idea, it just shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Sorry to hear it Moonbear, when my internet would shit on me, LR's like yours were the only thing keeping me in the action T_T
It shouldn't be necessary. It's like giving the children a play ground. Probably would be kinda fun I guess and I could follow the game at work too.
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The one or two times I've braved a LR report thread you made it worth it. Hope you enjoy your new free time, and thanks for all the contributions.
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Edit: Shouldn't have gotten involved. Sorry.
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Edit: Shouldn't have gotten involved without understanding the entire situation. Sorry.
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Don't worry. Just join us in TLADT.
We'll house you. <3
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I remember when I first thought "lol look at this funny warning at the top of this thread, things must have gotten out of hand for this to be here."
Now it seems like those warnings are on top of every SC2 related thread. I've almost completely phased out reading SC2 related threads outside of news/translations, and then I just read the OP and anything that follows up with content.
I actually read your final Live Report, and I really appreciated you posting since I missed the finals and I really want to get a glimpse of what was so upsetting. Very sorry to hear that you'll stop, people should realize that LR is all we had before VoDs and streams. It's insane that people are demanding so much out of streaming these days.
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On August 24 2011 05:26 Chill wrote:
Well, I got to page 40. I think this thread is an overreaction. Despite not watching the games, from reading the comments I could certainly understand what was happening in the games. I don't think we necessarily need someone writing a narative about the game - reactive comments serve the same purpose and allow people to post freely.
The problem is that the better the players and the better the games, the worst the live reports become...
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Take out LR, gives users an inaccurate post number. TeamLiquid post rules like contribute with your posts, and people just gain post count and partial reputation just by spamming useless posts in the LR threads. I never made over 5 posts in LR, and I think those are just a cheap way to get posts. If you must to help people who can't want, make it so that your post counts will NOT increase, then tell me if at least 60% of the people will still post.
If you don't agree, at least MOD the posts a bit stricter. Don't allow posts like WTF JUST HAPPENED?
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You made it to 2.7k posts and still LRed?
Man, good job. Not sure how you made it that far, but your tolerance is commendable.
5/5
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On August 24 2011 07:10 Bellygareth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:26 Chill wrote:
Well, I got to page 40. I think this thread is an overreaction. Despite not watching the games, from reading the comments I could certainly understand what was happening in the games. I don't think we necessarily need someone writing a narative about the game - reactive comments serve the same purpose and allow people to post freely. The problem is that the better the players and the better the games, the worst the live reports become...
Agreed with this. I'm predicting tonight's GSL (HuK, MVP, NesTea) will be a jolly experience in LR.
On topic - I always felt sorry for your posts (When I say that I mean they were all alone lost amongst some stupid ass debate), a gem amongst a sea of bullshit. You were what kept me in the LR thread especially when I only had my iPhone on me ie not at home.
I hope you'll reconsider, but I don't blame you at all. Best of luck and hope to still see you posting in the more civil areas of the board.
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I don't know maybe its just me but ever since a few months into the SC2 section. One I got kinda bored with SC2 and stopped playing but continued to read the threads but at some points the posting quality seems to have gone down so much I just left. I can't say I'm by any means a very good poster but heck. Seeing all the hate made me leave :o. Now it's just blogs Sports & Games a little DotA2 basically o.o
Never tried LR'ing and now with this I really don't want to try...
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On August 24 2011 02:28 Kimaker wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2011 22:45 imr.e wrote:
I wonder, would it be possible to get 2 threads when an event occures? One for live report, where only live reporters can post (perma ban the others should be easy, and just select a few live reporters before the games) and an other for everyone?
Because you can't even find the LR sometimes in the thread, and browsing through balance whining is boring. While a good idea, it just shouldn't be necessary in the first place. Sorry to hear it Moonbear, when my internet would shit on me, LR's like yours were the only thing keeping me in the action T_T
The problem is that either you perma ban all the retards on the LR or you do something, because right now for a major event it's almost impossible to get the LR... so much trolling going on.
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Thanks for your work, I really appreciate LRers. Sorry to hear you're stopping.
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