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CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
August 21 2011 21:35 GMT
#81
Your contribution was well appreciated. I respect your decision. You might reconsider and use the banhammer for the ones that deserve it. Only idiots argue on internet. You shouldn't care! Easy for me to tell that. anyway
Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 21:38:34
August 21 2011 21:37 GMT
#82
Although i've never needed to read the LR from you, i always thought it was cool that at least one person was actually following the intention of the thread

And yea, the LR threads are terrible. Just whine whine and more whine. I dont get what kind of people sit down sunday evening and decide to cry on the internet over a video game. I just dont get it.

People threatening to quit sc2 over a game they watched really entertained me though.

Will miss your LR'ing

Oh, and I like the reaction vs LR thread idea.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 21 2011 21:40 GMT
#83
On August 22 2011 05:16 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:56 BloodNinja wrote:
Maybe the solution is to have two separate threads. 1 thread could be "IEM Day 1 Reactions" and another could be "IEM Day 1 Live Reports". Ban out people who use the LR threads to make game reactions/balance discussion/anything non-LR. This would give users easy to access and follow LRs and keep all the reactions (aka flaming and terrible posting in general) into a separate thread.


Funny that you mention this, I actually had the same idea and am bringing it up in the mod forum as a potential fix (...like five minutes ago lol).

I've always thought that this was a pretty shitty solution. Unfortunately I don't have a better one. If the threads are divided most obviously the views will be split between the two threads. To the point where it actually takes away some of the worth of a live report thread. At least in my humble opinion.

Then comes the issue of who's opening the thread? Who's doing the live report? Somebody started doing a LR OFF of one of MoonBears live report in the middle of game two. Crass? Sure. Wrong? Not really. No one who has ever done a LR for starcraft2 has an inherent right to it. Anyone can open the tournament thread and anyone can do the live report. It's just a matter of who wants to step up and make sure something is formatted and the contents quality is up to the standards that the rest of us are all used to.

So that suggestion, sure I like it. But it raises more issues that CANNOT be addressed after the change is implemented. If it is decided that separate threads should be implemented then it must be decided how the person to open those threads and the contingencies for most common situations (I.E. OP cannot continue half way through). I'd like the idea a lot more if I heard the answers or at least ideas on the problems and solutions as well as just "We'll open two different threads!"

Apologies for the double post but I really didn't feel like punctuating my thanks to MoonBear with an entirely different reply to your post.
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GigaFlop
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1146 Posts
August 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#84
On August 22 2011 03:57 mucker wrote:
Damn. I selfishly rely on live reporters like you a fair amount these days, just don't have time to watch much. Completely understand though. Maybe the lr threads could have something like the blue posts in the strat forum to help the good stuff rise above the rest?

What do the blue posts signify?
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ptbl
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6074 Posts
August 21 2011 21:44 GMT
#85
I have to disagree with the assertions you made in "The E-Sports Argument" section. I'm going to quote the Co-Founder and President of Razer (one of the sponsors of Team Liquid) Robert Krakoff who answer an interview question on the cross pollination of esports. He addresses it better than I would.

Right now, the different E-Sports communities have little interaction with each other and many people are talking about E-Sports "cross-pollination". Do you think that this would benefit the E-Sports scene, or suffocate it? If E-Sports cross-pollination is a good idea, how should it be approached?

Razer Guy: IMO this would be like trying to combine the World Series, the French Open Tennis and the Super Bowl together because so many people love sports. If I’m a FPS advocate and I follow certain players who are my favorites, I don’t want to have to sit through a FIFA competition to get to Quake. Personally I believe this is a mistake and dilutes the impact.


Don't mind me
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 21:58:55
August 21 2011 21:51 GMT
#86
+ Show Spoiler [slightly NSFW] +

Also, read my guide if you want to quit permanently.

I hope you have fun with whatever you do after this. Good luck!

Also, thanks for the great contributions. I read a few of your threads
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
August 21 2011 21:53 GMT
#87
i think what is needed is LR threads that are actually only for LR idk how this would be done, possibly by giving special rights to whoever is LR'ing the event maybe?

its a shame to see such a great LR'er go gl in future ventures
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 22:01:25
August 21 2011 21:57 GMT
#88
On August 22 2011 06:44 GigaFlop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 03:57 mucker wrote:
Damn. I selfishly rely on live reporters like you a fair amount these days, just don't have time to watch much. Completely understand though. Maybe the lr threads could have something like the blue posts in the strat forum to help the good stuff rise above the rest?

What do the blue posts signify?

Your immediate attention and through difference, a air of officialism. I brought this up in website feedback a couple of months ago. (link)
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1169 Posts
August 21 2011 22:01 GMT
#89
Hey, don't associate the LoL haters with the BW crowd...

Those SC2 LRs get spammed so hard anyway that it's impossible to keep up.

Since Zona says he's not gonna LR for BW games anymore, you should come pitch in!

Either way, thanks for sharing your frustrations with us and I'm sure most people would agree with you.
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TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
August 21 2011 22:35 GMT
#90
On August 22 2011 07:01 IntoTheEmo wrote:
Hey, don't associate the LoL haters with the BW crowd...

Those SC2 LRs get spammed so hard anyway that it's impossible to keep up.

Since Zona says he's not gonna LR for BW games anymore, you should come pitch in!

Either way, thanks for sharing your frustrations with us and I'm sure most people would agree with you.

Lol the BW LR threads are remarkably tame in comparison. As someone who enjoys watching both ScBW and Sc2, I have to say it's funny how much I appreciate the BW threads when prior to Sc2 I didn't give them a second thought. You still have trolls, but in general it's a nice atmosphere of people discussing games, players, strats, etc and genuinly enjoying Starcraft instead of actively seeking things to hate on.
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Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
August 21 2011 22:38 GMT
#91
It's also quite nice that half the posts ARE live reports of whats happening.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
August 21 2011 22:43 GMT
#92
I think separating the LR threads from the reaction threads is a good start. But really that will just mean that all the dumb balance talk will go in the reaction thread. Is it possible to make it so you can ban people from posting in LR threads for like a week? Sort of like with the strategy forum. I know mods already do a good job of banning people who are balance whining in LR threads. But honestly when there is a huge header at the top telling you not to do it, and you proceed to do it anyways, a 2-day ban is sort of a light punishment.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
August 21 2011 22:53 GMT
#93
I never "wasted" (for lack of a better word) my time in the SC2 LRs, so I can't say anything about you in particular, but I know they tend to end up resulting in a gongshow a lot of the time, and there's nothing you can really do to change that as 1 person, so I would just try to not take it personally.

There seems to be a hell of a lot more people who appreciate your LRing than there are dipshits you attack you and insult you, etc, and that's always the case; you see plenty of people who are appreciated for the most part, but there's always someone being a pain in the ass regardless. There's really a not a whole lot you can do to prevent that either. It's just something you have to accept if you were to decide to keep LRing.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19027 Posts
August 21 2011 22:59 GMT
#94
You're not allowed to quit.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
August 21 2011 23:08 GMT
#95
On August 22 2011 06:44 ptbl wrote:
I have to disagree with the assertions you made in "The E-Sports Argument" section. I'm going to quote the Co-Founder and President of Razer (one of the sponsors of Team Liquid) Robert Krakoff who answer an interview question on the cross pollination of esports. He addresses it better than I would.

Show nested quote +
Right now, the different E-Sports communities have little interaction with each other and many people are talking about E-Sports "cross-pollination". Do you think that this would benefit the E-Sports scene, or suffocate it? If E-Sports cross-pollination is a good idea, how should it be approached?

Razer Guy: IMO this would be like trying to combine the World Series, the French Open Tennis and the Super Bowl together because so many people love sports. If I’m a FPS advocate and I follow certain players who are my favorites, I don’t want to have to sit through a FIFA competition to get to Quake. Personally I believe this is a mistake and dilutes the impact.




Yeah, I kinda have to agree with this.

Seeing SC2 lumped into this whole "e-sports" mumbo-jumbo has gone a bit over the top. It's like the events naturally assume we're all "e-sports fans", and there's this whole related propaganda about the growth of e-sports and whatnot.

I like BW, I like SC2, and a tiny bit of me even liked WC3 - and I enjoy watching very skilled people play these games on a very high level. That's basically it. I feel no camaraderie with other competitive games, their communities or any ideological connection with the concept of e-sports.

I've recently developed a mild dislike for the term "e-sports" itself to be completely honest.

That said, I don't actually express this feeling in LR threads, and I don't think anyone should. But this seemed like a semi-appropriate place to say this (since I hate making my own blog threads -_-).
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
August 21 2011 23:13 GMT
#96
On August 22 2011 04:32 TheAntZ wrote:
I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day.

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?.


Are you really that ignorant and selfish?

I feel like the quote is taken a bit out of context.
Yes, it's probably a bit of a selfish statement, but ultimately just a question. Also, I do regret not mentioning that I actually have found use for LR threads when I missed an opener or something, so I do see some use for it. But the stuff I see for the popular sc2 tournaments is completely out of proportion, and I wouldn't care to read it.

On August 22 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?


I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details.

So, say you're watching GSL and have to go for an hour... Are you actually gonna read 100+ pages just to catch up? Of course you could just be more committed than I can even fathom - usually I just look at the results and go back to the stream...

On August 22 2011 05:00 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?


I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you!

I guess this is also just commitment that I can't fathom. No disrespect if you actually do it and won't get fired for it, but when I'm at work, I'm at work. SC is my hobby and a passion, but not something I spend time on while at work.
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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
August 21 2011 23:17 GMT
#97
Come to think about it... Why don't TL get some staff (like the OP who seem to care for his cause) to actually live report in some separate locked thread and have the masses spam in some other thread..?
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21242 Posts
August 21 2011 23:19 GMT
#98
I agree 100% with your OP :3
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Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 21 2011 23:26 GMT
#99
I quit LR threads today too, mostly because mods let two trolls roam free and then proceed to warn/ban everyone who bashed the trolls and showed that their behaviour is wrong. Oh well.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 23:45:15
August 21 2011 23:42 GMT
#100
On August 22 2011 08:13 XsebT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:32 TheAntZ wrote:
I kinda feel like searching for every post that told you that you're "wasting their monitor space" and then flame the poster thrice a day, every day.

On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?.


Are you really that ignorant and selfish?

I feel like the quote is taken a bit out of context.
Yes, it's probably a bit of a selfish statement, but ultimately just a question. Also, I do regret not mentioning that I actually have found use for LR threads when I missed an opener or something, so I do see some use for it. But the stuff I see for the popular sc2 tournaments is completely out of proportion, and I wouldn't care to read it.

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 04:38 red4ce wrote:
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?


I read LR threads even when I watch the games live. When there's 3-4+ hours of continuous SC2 sometimes you have to take a break/use the bathroom/run errands, etc and miss key details.

So, say you're watching GSL and have to go for an hour... Are you actually gonna read 100+ pages just to catch up? Of course you could just be more committed than I can even fathom - usually I just look at the results and go back to the stream...

Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 05:00 Mithriel wrote:
On August 22 2011 04:23 XsebT wrote:
I don't get the point of actually live reporting these days. Are some people actually reading through all that crap?


I read through the live report threads when i'm at work. Seeing i can not watch GSL live, i have to rely on the LR threads. And i really appreciate everyone who tries to LR in those threads, big <3 to all of you!

I guess this is also just commitment that I can't fathom. No disrespect if you actually do it and won't get fired for it, but when I'm at work, I'm at work. SC is my hobby and a passion, but not something I spend time on while at work.


Come on man, theres people that cant watch because their internet goes to shit often (me), theres people that are out of the house but wanna know whats going on, so they check it on phone, maybe someones at a friends house and they just wanna use their comp to checkup on how the games going, theres so many circumstances where people will see moonbear, or probe1 or someone elses LR and think 'thank god for this guy'. I mean theres a whole ton of people thanking them in each LR thread
It wasnt even that you said "I dont find that useful" you called it crap and seemed surprised anyone would read it.
I'm sorry, but that just shows you didnt consider at all that some people might have opinions or circumstances different from your own
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