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On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up!
Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is.
lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum
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Calgary26004 Posts
On April 27 2010 19:51 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 07:39 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Do you know what "the norm" means? It means normal. So clearly you can see the confusion between your two sentences. Also, I'm glad you are inferring information about a country based on posts about night club culture. How's that working out for you? Yes Chill I know what "norm" means and it's uses to describe the things that are "allowed" or sanctioned by a society. My pardon if I was confusing. From OP's post I got the picture that Korea is a very male-oriented society, like many countries unfortunately are in the world. Mostly males go to these clubs and they decide which girls they want to talk to etc etc. It's not just about these clubs, but the underlying beliefs about gender that drives this. Pretty much a basic patriarchy. The only reason I can see anyone being fine with this is if they really have a hard time approaching women in a "normal" setting. And hell, that's a very egoistical reason.
Take this as an official warning: Stop posting in this thread. Hell, I wish you would stop posting altogether.
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thedeadhaji
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On April 27 2010 09:13 Ack1027 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 04:42 DanCeWithDevil wrote:On April 27 2010 02:33 Ack1027 wrote:On April 26 2010 16:21 Xenocide_Knight wrote:On April 26 2010 15:52 Ack1027 wrote:
So....you love your girlfriend but you fuck ee cha girls cuz it would be unprofessional to refuse? In Korean culture, refusing your host is a VERY big nono. It's borderline insulting. And people who can afford to go to those places are not people you want to be insulting. Especially in a corporate/business scenario. I am Korean, but thanks for the lesson. I'm sure he's thinking about his girlfriend and how respectful and polite he's being while he fucks whores. I love how you come in here with no knowledge about the real world and try to act like you are 'above' someone for whatever reason. You all have some convoluted ideal of the way a relationship should be and if it's not exactly like that the person causing the difference is evil or something. You say you're Korean but you must have grown up in USA or something to be talking like this. In the real world, relationships aren't perfect. People cheat all the time on eachother or 'almost' cheat. Me having to do it sometimes due to my livelihood does not make me evil. It's a double-edged sword for me. I physically enjoy it at the time but I also wish deep down emotionally that I didn't have to do it for the sake of my job. Now you might argue that if I were a real man that I'd refuse to do it and find other work, but in the real world this isn't realistic at all. I value my job and position and if I have to stick my dick into a beautiful woman from time to time on one of my client's expense then I'll do it and not feel too bad about it. If you really think about it: As long as I am very cautious with using protection and getting STD tested, which I am, and as long as my girlfriend never finds out no harm can ever come to anything. Infact only good can come from it. I am making good cash for us and I am also made a happy man for an hour from time to time. The difference between cheaters in the normal world is that they are people like married men who fall in love with a secret lover and it retracts from their relationships. Or boyfriends who start treating their girlfriends like shit because they like a new girl better but they also wanna be getting laid by both so he stays with with both. Thats not what I'm doing at all. I'm merely taking one for the team. I am above you. The fact that you wish you didn't have to do it ' for the sake of your job ' says enough. You say you speak English and Korean but you must have grown up in Korea to think that the word ' Livelihood ' means you must be a VIP host at a casino.
The very fact that you claim you are "above" anyone is proof that you are indeed below them Ack.
On April 26 2010 15:33 DanCeWithDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2010 15:27 lilsusie wrote:On April 26 2010 15:19 DanCeWithDevil wrote:On April 26 2010 15:16 lilsusie wrote:
I'm not sure how I feel about having a post like this out in the open. I know that people are aware (Rek mentions plenty of times of his nights out) but at the same time, I'm not sure if I want people to have this image of Korea to be this raunchy, underground nasty-nasty thing, complete with whores. Don't get me wrong, I know it's a part of the culture but not exactly the reputation that this country needs to get tourists. =/
Money can buy anything in this country. I know it's true in most countries too but Korea is just so blatantly immoral sometimes.
Here's a question for you, OP, why did you decide to post this on our forums at all? I believe that people reading it understand that this is only the dirty part of Korea. I could make a beautiful post about my Korean culture and all our beautiful tourist spots and foods. Maybe I'll do that next! Why did I decide to post it? Well I see blogs everywhere about people going to Korea so they may as well understand what they might possibly want to try out. I believe in the freedom of information. Yes, freedom of information, but you also realize that TL isn't the place for people to say "OMG I'm going to Korea, I'm totally gonna blow 5k dollars on a night out with beautiful women!" (Well, maybe a few guys can but most are high school/college students who are poor) And those who CAN spend that much... already have. And blogged about it. Don't assume on the internet that people will take this as "only the dirty part" of Korea. It's a part of Korea that most Koreans are not proud of, thus not really something that you need to publicly put into light. =/ Those are my 2 cents. If it's something that most Korean's aren't proud of why does the government do nothing to stop any of it? Why do almost all korean males partake in it in one way or another? If you were unaware in many areas they have police guarding the perimeter of the red light districts! It's just the way it is and me sharing this information with a gaming website isn't going to do anything other than inform. If anything, the korean way of disliking something but never having the balls to bring it out in the open is exactly why change for the better doesn't happen.
Amen to that!
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On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum
Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that?
Also, I said a few are forced because they get loan money from loan sharks (which is a stupid thing to do btw) and sign a ridiculous contract saying if they can't pay them back, they have to work for the loan shark. These loan sharks basically run the anmas, salons, etc. Who's stupid enough to sign a contract like that with like 150% interest rates? Maybe they should work in a low life crap hole because they are stupid enough to sign those contracts. Or maybe Korea just has a stupid loan system.
Whatever the case, most girls do it because they like it, some girls have to do it cause they were stupid.
I'm not being sexist here either. Men loan money from these loan sharks more often and destroy their lives.
Wow...another dark side of Korea. Korea has many more good sides than bad!
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it's not because people are stupid enough to sign contracts. they're aware that the terms are ridiculously unfavorable.
but sometimes you can't get a loan from the bank and if you're desperate enough for money, your only option is to go to the loan sharks. it's not like they don't know what they're getting into
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On April 28 2010 01:42 lowbright wrote:
it's not because people are stupid enough to sign contracts. they're aware that the terms are ridiculously unfavorable.
but sometimes you can't get a loan from the bank and if you're desperate enough for money, your only option is to go to the loan sharks. it's not like they don't know what they're getting into
Hmm..ridiculous interest rates, contracts that say they can use you as a slave until you pay off, take your daughter and wife, take your house, beat your family, police do nothing about it because it's a signed contract or turn a blind eye, etc...damn they have to be pretty desperate.
Maybe it's only my view that make me think people who loan from loan sharks are stupid. I'll keep my opinion private then.
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Informative thread. I'm really glad it's specific to the Korean scene, even though lilsusie doesn't like it being focused on her country, because it's more tangible that way. Being able to classify this to Korea makes it more accurate, as it can be affirmed/denied by other posters, and is easier to remember. For lilsusie's benefit, I don't form any other conclusions about Korean culture.
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On April 27 2010 16:32 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 16:15 lilsusie wrote:On April 27 2010 15:24 Slasher wrote:
This is the first time I've seen this thread, but it's probably the best thing I've seen on here in months, beating out starcraft 2, the betting scandal and any KeSPA issues :D.
What's all the fuss about this, susie, and anyone else? Out of all the countries in the world, this site is most fitted for the underground scene of South Korea, not Scandinavia, Eastern Europe, South America, and so on. I WISH we could get as detailed posts about this sort of thing in Russian, Ukraine, Czech Republic, Brazil, Sweden, Argentina, Denmark, etc. Someone get to it! It's a pride thing. I don't like having my country singled out and have it's dirty laundry aired out for everyone to see. =/ but carry on with your information sessions. Everyone loves dirty things. a country filled with slutty whores spreading their legs for money ...
It's sad that when I read this line, I thought of every country in the world 
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saudi arabia isn't full of slutty whores
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or you can get a real massage from a blind professional
Wait what?
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United States22883 Posts
On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that?
I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it.
I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted.
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Calgary26004 Posts
On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted.
Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
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United States22883 Posts
On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
Yeah, well he's kind of a dix. I loled when he called men the "norm" because it ONLY makes sense in an academic setting, and he had to be super vague about it. I've called someone an asshole before for trying to use the "Other" in a real conversation.
I think it's safe to assume DanCeWithDevil mostly just entertains dudes, so yes, everything in his OP is catered around serving guys. I'm curious about the other kinds of nightlife, though. Live music, other places to drink that don't have flashy strobe lights, etc.
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On April 28 2010 02:09 Zhek wrote:Wait what?
It's what many blinds (?) do. There was a ruckus years ago about repealing legislation that gave preferential treatment to the blind I think. Don't know what happened.
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Zurich15366 Posts
On April 28 2010 02:09 EmeraldSparks wrote:
saudi arabia isn't full of slutty whores
How would you know?
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On April 27 2010 07:26 DanCeWithDevil wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Yeah. As they should be.
haha that's my favourite post here so far :D
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On April 28 2010 04:37 Wala.Revolution wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 02:09 Zhek wrote:or you can get a real massage from a blind professional Wait what? It's what many blinds (?) do. There was a ruckus years ago about repealing legislation that gave preferential treatment to the blind I think. Don't know what happened.
what?
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On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded.
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You're a fucking dumbass, Chill.
It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about.
Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever.
I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do.
PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
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Foulcault i think you should edit your post if you want " to keep it civil".
My two cents.
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On April 28 2010 06:00 Boblion wrote:
Foulcault i think you should edit your post if you want " to keep it civil".
My two cents.
I'm keeping it civil. But I think Chill is out of line
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