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On April 28 2010 06:01 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 06:00 Boblion wrote:
Foulcault i think you should edit your post if you want " to keep it civil".
My two cents. I'm keeping it civil. But I think Chill is out of line
IMO you should edit your post. Chill isn't trying to offend you or anything.
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On April 28 2010 05:56 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. ... You're a fucking dumbass, Chill. It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about. Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever. I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do. PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
lol, inc 
Btw, awesome blog post, would read again.
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On April 28 2010 06:01 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 06:00 Boblion wrote:
Foulcault i think you should edit your post if you want " to keep it civil".
My two cents. I'm keeping it civil. But I think Chill is out of line
Well i don't think that insulting a mod is a smart idea even if you are right.
Seriously delete the first sentence.
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On April 28 2010 04:29 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. Yeah, well he's kind of a dix. I loled when he called men the "norm" because it ONLY makes sense in an academic setting, and he had to be super vague about it. I've called someone an asshole before for trying to use the "Other" in a real conversation. I think it's safe to assume DanCeWithDevil mostly just entertains dudes, so yes, everything in his OP is catered around serving guys. I'm curious about the other kinds of nightlife, though. Live music, other places to drink that don't have flashy strobe lights, etc.
There is a very large variety of night life in Korea. Drinking is very big in Korea ( we are often called the Irish of Asia) and caters to all age groups and genders. There are soju bars, whiskey bars, wine bars, sports bars, classical music bars, jazz bars international bars, etc all around Seoul and other major cities. Besides bars, karaoke is a must, po jang mat (outdoor eating and drinking, usually inside of an orange tent), soju at any restaurant, oh did I mention soju?
You will literally find atleast 20 places to drink at every block of Seoul.
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On April 28 2010 02:09 EmeraldSparks wrote:
saudi arabia isn't full of slutty whores
Isn't that because they try and make a point of publicly humiliating/executing them?
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The sluts doesn't know what's best for them!
As someone mentioned earlier, it's not that uncommon for loan sharks to have agreements with different forms of prostitution to make the (as KudoJoe phrased it) 'stupid' girls who fall into the trap sex slaves. But whether or not the girls are being forced into this - consciously or unconsciously - is not the main issue here. Jibba already summed it up pretty well. The USA mind is for more individual responsibility where you take the consequences of your actions even if the society is not 'fair'. You have your social ladders and do everything in your power to climb - within the law.
The reason why Foucault is upset is because the government here (unlike USA for example) consciously tries to protect people from these sorts of things; sexism, prostitution, gender unequality, judging people by physical appearance unconsciously, beauty fixation - almost everything described in this thread.
The morals he grew up with and learned in school is a direct contradiction to everything in this thread. I'm not saying any method is superior, it's just that by arguing over the internet you need to realize that the morals are NOT universal, they change a lot from country to country - the cultural differences. It's something you always have to consider before mounting your horse to look down on other people with 'lesser' morals.
The will of South Korea as a whole obviously doesn't want to change this behaviour, as someone said earlier the whole thing is deeply rooted in the culture and people have a different view on using your body to your advantage (socially or economically), be it flirting, getting into clubs or even sex. The OP is definitely right in that it's not up to us to be condescending. If he wants to take advantage over how the society works then that's fine. Although I sense a slight glorification of the night life in Korea even though it's not as bad as in Rekrul's posts.
And I don't understand lilsusies posts at all. Taking pride in your country is fine, but concealing every 'problem' in the South Korean society (especially to the outside world) is one of the reasons why nothing ever changes... If there's is no attention, how are people going to consider these things more consciously? Isn't it very hypocritical saying you take pride in your country and still try to ignore certain aspects of the society?
It reminds me of a South Korean movie I've seen Nabbeun namja/Bad Guy which is about the prostitution and gender roles. The movie was very provocative to the South Korean audience and it received attention in the press because the male actor was sexy and famous with some korean drama show meanwhile. The interesting thing is that even though the director put no moral values whatsoever in the movie, the audience interpreted it as trying to make South Korea look 'bad' in the eyes of the world. Sufficient to say the movie wasn't very highly praised in media...
And you also have to consider - why exactly is the prostitution, buying everything with money and plastics/superficial beauty fixation a minor taboo here? Why is it a 'hush hush' subject and who profits from the corruption and concealing?
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On April 28 2010 06:05 teamsolid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 05:56 Foucault wrote:On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. ... You're a fucking dumbass, Chill. It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about. Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever. I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do. PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major. lol, inc Btw, awesome blog post, would read again.
I just read this entire thread trying to figure out why you said "inc"
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i believe there is a very direct correlation between the wide variety of male pleasures in korea and the lack of crime
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On April 28 2010 06:53 {88}iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 06:05 teamsolid wrote:On April 28 2010 05:56 Foucault wrote:On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:
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What the hell does this sentence mean?
What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. ... You're a fucking dumbass, Chill. It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about. Seriously, you need to drop your friggin' attitude. You talk down everyone on the forums with your one-liners thinking you're some internet god. Yeah, maybe you are on TL.net but get a clue man, you are being pretty negative pretty much all of the time the recent year or whatever. I can type whatever I want in response to a forum post as long as I keep it civil and don't break any rules. So don't YOU come here and tell me what I can and can not do. PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major. lol, inc Btw, awesome blog post, would read again. I just read this entire thread trying to figure out why you said "inc"
i think you secretly search for inc on the search engine
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Dear god how did I miss this thread
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I think you secretly search for inc
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This post was epic, thank god I found it now.
Now I know what keeps Rekrul busy besides poker!
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On April 28 2010 05:56 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. ... You're a fucking dumbass, Chill. It's funny how you think I'm retarded when in fact you don't even understand what I'm talking about because you lack the knowledge needed. You're an engineer, right? I don't know shit about engineering but your behavior would be like me telling you something ridiculous, 3:rd grade kind of stupid about a subject you know alot about. The difference is that if the topic were engineering, there'd likely be some sort of jargon or something that would indicate the topic has become specialized. There's no such thing here, you just moved right into it and used a word that has tons of meanings in every day use.
PS. Also guys, wtf my first language isn't english so I can't type my thoughts out exactly like an english-speaking person would do. Especially academic language so gimme a break :/ I've studied at university for almost 5 years now and I'm a sociology/psychology major.
User was banned for this post.
I hope you read this. Your english is actually very excellent.  I think that's why it's confusing for us. Because you sound just like a native speaker, when you get your words confused, we think you know exactly what you're trying to say and it makes no sense to us.
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On April 28 2010 07:05 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I think you secretly search for inc
^_^
who doesn't?
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On April 28 2010 07:25 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 07:05 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
I think you secretly search for inc
^_^ who doesn't?
I just did. The first topic that came up:
"Ultimate Zerg Cheese"
how ironic considering its not actually about incontrol.
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United States22883 Posts
On April 28 2010 06:11 KudoJoe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:29 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 04:23 Chill wrote:On April 28 2010 04:12 Jibba wrote:On April 28 2010 01:37 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 19:55 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 07:41 KudoJoe wrote:On April 27 2010 07:18 Foucault wrote:On April 27 2010 05:42 Chill wrote:On April 27 2010 05:36 Foucault wrote:
All I'm saying is that men definately seem to be the norm in Korea. What the hell does this sentence mean? What the hell can it possibly mean? It's a very male oriented society it seems. Women are there to please Maybe you meant "women pleasing men definitely seem to be the norm in Korea (World?)." You have to understand that most of these girls do this because they choose to. Few are forced but it's hey, it's life. Sweden has really hot girls by the way. Thumbs up! Yeah I know but "forced" becomes kind of vague considering that most of us are heavily molded into who we are by society and the gender roles we assume. So if it's a "normal" thing for women to work clubs, you're choices as a woman are heavily affected by this. Same for male stuff, whatever it is. lol yes we do and these days I see alot of skirts instead of pants. yum Do you still not understand what I am trying to say...girls in clubs/night clubs don't work there. They are just regular patrons who like getting booked and having fun with guys. What is so damn sexist about that? I think you're not understanding him; he's staying true to Foucault. Consent doesn't mean something is or isn't exploitative. There's more subtle ways that people are coerced, such as a life long impression of body image or something like that. I think an example that makes sense is the average pro SC player. They're choosing to do it, because I'd imagine the allure is pretty difficult to resist if you're young and good at it, but they're still being exploited in a stressful, low paying and very restrictive job, and they might not even realize it. I think it's somewhat pretentious to tell adults that they're being manipulated or assume that they're not aware of the situation, like he's doing. It'd be better to ask what kinds of alternatives are available to women/men who don't want to do that sort of thing, and if those are widely accepted. Ok, lol. But this isn't the kind of subtle inference you make by reading a fucking forum post. To infer this level of detail about a culture you aren't part of is just retarded. Yeah, well he's kind of a dix. I loled when he called men the "norm" because it ONLY makes sense in an academic setting, and he had to be super vague about it. I've called someone an asshole before for trying to use the "Other" in a real conversation. I think it's safe to assume DanCeWithDevil mostly just entertains dudes, so yes, everything in his OP is catered around serving guys. I'm curious about the other kinds of nightlife, though. Live music, other places to drink that don't have flashy strobe lights, etc. There is a very large variety of night life in Korea. Drinking is very big in Korea ( we are often called the Irish of Asia) and caters to all age groups and genders. There are soju bars, whiskey bars, wine bars, sports bars, classical music bars, jazz bars international bars, etc all around Seoul and other major cities. Besides bars, karaoke is a must, po jang mat (outdoor eating and drinking, usually inside of an orange tent), soju at any restaurant, oh did I mention soju? You will literally find atleast 20 places to drink at every block of Seoul.
I think soju is just meh. o.o Sure, it's smooth but it's cause there's not that much there. It's been a while but the last time I was drinking it, something was off with shot #4 or 5 and it tasted like rubbing alcohol, and I didn't have a chaser primed or something so I haven't had it since. That sounds weird now that I'm reading it, but I guess not remembering that night was kinda the point of it.
I'm glad there's other stuff for when I finally go. I like dancing, but live music is really my preferred thing.
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On April 28 2010 05:38 Ilikestarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2010 04:37 Wala.Revolution wrote:On April 28 2010 02:09 Zhek wrote:or you can get a real massage from a blind professional Wait what? It's what many blinds (?) do. There was a ruckus years ago about repealing legislation that gave preferential treatment to the blind I think. Don't know what happened. what?
Can't find a legitimate source currently, but:
You then might expect a blind masseuse to visit your room and give you a thorough massage for 30-45 minutes. Blind masseuses are noted for their heightened sense of touch and feeling in their hands, as a result of their lack of visual sense.
Lots of blinds are involved with legitimate massage industry.
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I think gender problems are a pretty sensitive issue everywhere. However people wanna interpret the lifestyle OP described is fine. One thing I don't like though is when people try to justify themselves. To say no one is "forcing" you to do anything is a very dumb argument. On the other hand to criticize a certain culture on the basis of higher values, for example gender equality, is probably just as stupid. I can't see any reasons to take pride in being a part of a sociological phenomenon generated by wage disparity, patriarchal values, conservative values and who knows what. You wanna get laid, there's no need to prepare a good conscience so you don't feel guilty afterward. To use a bunch of bullshit reasons to justify your fulfilling of pleasures at the expense of others is pathetic. It's similar to people who feel bad for animals but can't stop eating meat, so they come up with reasons like oh I'm only gonna buy meat from places that treat their animals well. If we need morally pleasant reasoning to justify all of our actions then we might as well not act at all.
I don't know about booking clubs in Korea but in China there are definitely problems that violate some human rights sensibilities. The stuff about gender inequality are probably not as relevant. Every case is different though and I trust everyone to make decisions that sit well with their own set of values.
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