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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:23 konadora wrote: Protoss calling Zerg cheese gay rofl have you pvzed above d level? (aka vs zergs who are capable of making lings or hydras or mutas) yeah that's what i thought. good job race  | ||
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
i need a wank! | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:54 Yaqoob wrote: Are you like begging him to come and brag about his 270 apm and 180eapm? no, im just curious what the eapm for a C level player is. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:08 OneOther wrote: have you pvzed above d level? (aka vs zergs who are capable of making lings or hydras or mutas) yeah that's what i thought. good job race Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier. Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ! | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:39 Grobyc wrote: Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier. Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ! i disagree. protoss is not generally cheesier. they have cheesy units along with other stuff? what in the world are you talking about? Zerg is definitely the cheesier race in ZvP, and it's also a matchup where there are most fluke wins. when Zerg opens 9 pool speedlings they have many different cheese options. sure, Protoss can do various cheeses in PvT as well, but none that are efficient as ZvP cheeses. ("cheesy units?" zerglings are the cheesiest units imo) | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:32 lazz wrote: no, im just curious what the eapm for a C level player is. yaqoobs post says all of it. not to brag but i can have near that eapm with only 190 apm >.> GJ on C race C+ might be waiting for you before the season ends | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
edit: what the hell is with all people above C rank coming in here and posting about how they're above C rank, it makes you look insecure, like you have to 1 up the OP or something, weird. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:45 OneOther wrote: i disagree. protoss is not generally cheesier. they have cheesy units along with other stuff? what in the world are you talking about? Zerg is definitely the cheesier race in ZvP, and it's also a matchup where there are most fluke wins. when Zerg opens 9 pool speedlings they have many different cheese options. sure, Protoss can do various cheeses in PvT as well, but none that are efficient as ZvP cheeses. ("cheesy units?" zerglings are the cheesiest units imo) Zerg cannot proxy(realistically). Protoss can. Big cheese advantage there. Zerg build openers often depend on the map. Anything from 9pool to 12hatch ZvP is considered standard by most players. No forge FE and fast tech is often considered cheesy in PvZ by many players. I guess it also depends on what you classify as cheese. Err by Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. I meant tactics, like doing things like runbys. I don't see how Zerglings would be the cheesiest unit. You can runby, so? Zealots can runby too. The unit is mean to be fast and weak. I don't consider that cheese. I would say lurker hopping across minerals and probe hopping for cannoning and stuff is though. That's what I was referring to as cheesy tactics. Zerg builds often alter depending on the map and what Protoss follows up an FE with. Standardized Protoss is usually FE, so builds other than that are somewhat rare. It's not surprising to see a Zerg follow up with different builds because they need to adapt accordingly. Cannon breaks from hydra play isn't cheesy IMO because it's not usually something you know you are going to do when you go into the game. If you notice the Protoss is skimping on cannons then you go for it. If you see he found out you made more hydras because of it he can add more cannons and it's no big deal to you. You can just not attack and you're not that far behind. You can't do that with 1base tech very well. You can't get a citadel in hopes of going fast DT, then see he scouted it and hope to come out ahead. You have to either attack or end up pretty far behind. It's cheesier than a cannon break for example. I don't know if any of this makes sense to anyone else. I just got off work and am extremely tired lol. Just my opinion anyway, don't mean to derailed the thread. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 13:28 Grobyc wrote: Zerg cannot proxy(realistically). Protoss can. Big cheese advantage there. Zerg build openers often depend on the map. Anything from 9pool to 12hatch ZvP is considered standard by most players. No forge FE and fast tech is often considered cheesy in PvZ by many players. I guess it also depends on what you classify as cheese. Err by I meant tactics, like doing things like runbys. I don't see how Zerglings would be the cheesiest unit. You can runby, so? Zealots can runby too. The unit is mean to be fast and weak. I don't consider that cheese. I would say lurker hopping across minerals and probe hopping for cannoning and stuff is though. That's what I was referring to as cheesy tactics. Zerg builds often alter depending on the map and what Protoss follows up an FE with. Standardized Protoss is usually FE, so builds other than that are somewhat rare. It's not surprising to see a Zerg follow up with different builds because they need to adapt accordingly. Cannon breaks from hydra play isn't cheesy IMO because it's not usually something you know you are going to do when you go into the game. If you notice the Protoss is skimping on cannons then you go for it. If you see he found out you made more hydras because of it he can add more cannons and it's no big deal to you. You can just not attack and you're not that far behind. You can't do that with 1base tech very well. You can't get a citadel in hopes of going fast DT, then see he scouted it and hope to come out ahead. You have to either attack or end up pretty far behind. It's cheesier than a cannon break for example. I don't know if any of this makes sense to anyone else. I just got off work and am extremely tired lol. Just my opinion anyway, don't mean to derailed the thread. You must be tired because you don't make sense. I was really tempted to stop reading when you said Protoss has a cheese advantage over Zerg because they can proxy. You can't be serious. Zerg has overlords that see what the Protoss is doing, whereas Protoss doesn't know what the Zerg is up to if they go 9 pool Speedlings. I don't know what level you play at, but your arguments sound ludicrous at best. Sorry if I come off as rude - there's just no other word to describe them. 9 pool speedling itself isn't a cheese; it becomes cheese when you follow it up with an all-in. Zergs can win many games by running in speedlings if Protoss sets up a bad sim city or tries to be greedy, even at the slightest measures. How often do you see Protoss beating Zergs by doing "Zealot run-bys?" I mean, have you ever played a game of PvZ? Cheese wouldn't exist if you don't consider an all-in Zergling attack/run-by a cheese. If Protoss defends it, he wins; if he doesn't, he loses. Hydra cannon break isn't cheesy because you don't plan it? Most of times, Zerg decides that he is going to do it early on and plays accordingly by denying scouts and such. It's not something you can all of sudden decide you want to do it because you feel like it. This is quite frustrating, so I am going to stop arguing with you regarding this topic. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
What are the cheesy Protoss units? Dark Templar? Corsairs? Reavers? And how is a hydra break not cheese? Are you hydra breaking off of 5hatch? And, if so, how??? Also, to put it into perspective (sort of), this season, I'm getting cheesed about 75% of the time vs Z and 20% of the time vs P. Sorry if I sound kind of incoherent. I'm extremely tired right now. Also, I thought it was generally accepted that the race with greater cheesing possibilities in a MU mirrored the race with the advantage in each MU (Z>P, P>T, T>Z). | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
congrats anyway. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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RyuriaL
Singapore78 Posts
On August 15 2009 11:50 LuckyFool wrote: I can reach C in 50 less games than that, I think I'll make 27 blogs about it on TL.Net lol, mean. Congrats Racenilatr, GL on C+ | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
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