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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 15 2009 18:16 GMT
#41
On August 15 2009 12:39 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2009 12:08 OneOther wrote:
On August 15 2009 10:23 konadora wrote:
Protoss calling Zerg cheese gay

rofl

have you pvzed above d level? (aka vs zergs who are capable of making lings or hydras or mutas) yeah that's what i thought.

good job race

Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black.

Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier.

Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ!


Actually Z has the least number of cheeses OVERALL, and T has the most overall. P is medicore

ZvP (Z has 2 hatch cannon break, 3 hatch ling all in, early pool, early mutas all-in)
ZvT (None except early pool, offensive hatch is useless and impossible)
PvZ (Few but not much, cannon rush, 5 gate goon all-in)
PvT (Decent amount, DT rush, proxy gates, gas steal 2 gate, pylon block)
TvZ (Bunker rush, early rax, valk wraith, fact lift into main, etc.)
TvP (Bio all-in, 2 fac, wraiths, etc.)
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
August 15 2009 18:54 GMT
#42
lol
wraiths tvp
good one
terran has the fewest cheese but nice try.
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koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 15 2009 19:00 GMT
#43
We get it, you have a vendetta against Terrans that you'll try to use anything that you can think of to push your point even if it's something as ridiculous as wraiths in TvP.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 15 2009 19:03 GMT
#44
I've seen wraiths in TvP, it fails but it does catch Protoss off-guard alot

Just like how sometimes P will try scouts in PvZ (very rare but happens)

Just because wraiths doesn't work in TvP doesn't mean its not cheese. Cheese = pretty much anything not standard
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 15 2009 19:05 GMT
#45
You might as well add ghost rush TvZ and pure hydra ZvT then.
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 15 2009 19:08 GMT
#46
On August 16 2009 04:00 koreasilver wrote:
We get it, you have a vendetta against Terrans that you'll try to use anything that you can think of to push your point even if it's something as ridiculous as wraiths in TvP.


You should continue refuting my argument with one liner ad hominem attacks, it makes your point that much stronger

Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 15 2009 19:11 GMT
#47
On August 16 2009 04:05 koreasilver wrote:
You might as well add ghost rush TvZ and pure hydra ZvT then.


You could have made a better counter if you didn't resort to extreme examples

Ghost rush TvZ? At least early wraiths forces P to get detection as soon as possible.
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Revabug
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom147 Posts
August 15 2009 20:15 GMT
#48
On August 16 2009 04:03 AzureEye wrote:
Just because wraiths doesn't work in TvP doesn't mean its not cheese. Cheese = pretty much anything not standard


Seriously, this isn't the thread for a define cheese argument, but your definition is ridiculous.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 20:20:11
August 15 2009 20:19 GMT
#49
Hey man, Casy won by rushing to ghosts on Troy, and Luxury won against Hwasin on Destination in a game where he was seriously going pure hydra for extended periods of time against bio. The Casy game is much more applicable since Jju didn't fuck up the beginning of his game like Hwasin did, but regardless, I have some valid examples.

On the other hand, I can't think of one game where a Terran won by rushing wraiths in TvP. The only game I can remember is Leta vs Pusan on Andromeda where he went bio and wraiths and got owned really bad.

And if anyone looks back at your posts, you've been extremely biased against Terran players for basically your entire posting history with no rest. It gets really repetitive and predictable.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-15 20:26:12
August 15 2009 20:25 GMT
#50
On August 16 2009 04:03 AzureEye wrote:
Cheese = pretty much anything not standard

That's the most absurd definition of cheese I've ever seen, not to mention that if that's your definition, your list is absurdly lacking (e.g. retarded crap like Sair/Goon PvT).
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
August 15 2009 23:47 GMT
#51
On August 16 2009 05:19 koreasilver wrote:

And if anyone looks back at your posts, you've been extremely biased against Terran players for basically your entire posting history with no rest. It gets really repetitive and predictable.


Yeah so what? I tend to repeat things for people like you. I'm also biased against people like you. Got a problem? I have my own opinions and if you don't like it, just ignore it. I always ignore the fact that you're a rude douche that always gives one liner insults to helpless new members when they're asking for help in strategy section.

Yeah and?

Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
petzergling
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
538 Posts
August 16 2009 00:40 GMT
#52
gj race

if you are 50% winrate C I would make a couple more acccounts and try to reach C with less losses to clean your game up. If you try to make a push to the next rank when you're already at 50% you're just going to be massgaming
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