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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/teh_mentalist.html I think I will be able to reach C+ depending how I do. There are still the occasional uber gosu Terran's+dropship harassment and uber gay zerg cheese's that I have trouble on, but other then that I don't really see a problem from reaching C+   | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6639 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66358 Posts
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
Protoss reaching C gj 1a2a3a is hard you know? | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:22 jello_biafra wrote: Hey I played you the other day! You complained about my lack of LAN, I have to deal with that every game -_- ya........it was really really really really really really bad | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
TT You might as well ask for a ban while you are @ it. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:20 Racenilatr wrote: FIRST TIME EVER REACHING C SO EXCITED http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/teh_mentalist.html I think I will be able to reach C+ depending how I do. There are still the occasional uber gosu Terran's+dropship harassment and uber gay zerg cheese's that I have trouble on, but other then that I don't really see a problem from reaching C+ Good luck man!  | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
lets see you get C as toss. grats OP. out of curiosity what's your APM and EAPM? | ||
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Yaqoob
Canada3347 Posts
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:38 resonance wrote: TT You might as well ask for a ban while you are @ it. I still find it funny | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
 Just lost to a really imbalanced korean zerg. I can't let zerg tech up with fast hive/lurker defence because on outsider the dual gas means shit ton of ultras which is so so so so so hard to stop.....then they can drop wherever the fuck they want | ||
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
On August 15 2009 11:11 Wotans_Fire wrote: Just dt drop main get really fast robo to drop your dts like bisu did against luxur on destination, don't even use sairs just let him look at he mini map Now that really doesn't work. I consider this cheese and have done some extensive playing on it. At first I thought this was a cool strategy and stuff, but then I realized that you push back your storm/reaver tech(something for mass splash damage) and that gives zerg a nifty timing window so if your dt drop doesn't do enough damage, you won't be able to takea third base and sustain enough units | ||
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
On August 15 2009 11:16 Racenilatr wrote: Now that really doesn't work. I consider this cheese and have done some extensive playing on it. At first I thought this was a cool strategy and stuff, but then I realized that you push back your storm/reaver tech(something for mass splash damage) and that gives zerg a nifty timing window so if your dt drop doesn't do enough damage, you won't be able to takea third base and sustain enough units How can it not work\? if it works against arnc then it works against bad players and if it doesn't then at least you tried to fuck him up with harass the times I feel that the game was easy is when p just tries to mass and play defensive yyou've gotta work on your harass, I mean just look at gosi fling that kid knows his harass... lol maybe im just bad but i feel real comfotable when p just sits there you harass a little you fuck up his macro maybe im talking out my ass here but whatever and that needs punctuation and I wont bother | ||
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deverlight
Korea (South)463 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:23 konadora wrote: Protoss calling Zerg cheese gay rofl have you pvzed above d level? (aka vs zergs who are capable of making lings or hydras or mutas) yeah that's what i thought. good job race  | ||
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Wotans_Fire
United Kingdom294 Posts
i need a wank! | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
On August 15 2009 10:54 Yaqoob wrote: Are you like begging him to come and brag about his 270 apm and 180eapm? no, im just curious what the eapm for a C level player is. | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:08 OneOther wrote: have you pvzed above d level? (aka vs zergs who are capable of making lings or hydras or mutas) yeah that's what i thought. good job race Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier. Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ! | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:39 Grobyc wrote: Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier. Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ! i disagree. protoss is not generally cheesier. they have cheesy units along with other stuff? what in the world are you talking about? Zerg is definitely the cheesier race in ZvP, and it's also a matchup where there are most fluke wins. when Zerg opens 9 pool speedlings they have many different cheese options. sure, Protoss can do various cheeses in PvT as well, but none that are efficient as ZvP cheeses. ("cheesy units?" zerglings are the cheesiest units imo) | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:32 lazz wrote: no, im just curious what the eapm for a C level player is. yaqoobs post says all of it. not to brag but i can have near that eapm with only 190 apm >.> GJ on C race C+ might be waiting for you before the season ends | ||
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lazz
Australia3119 Posts
edit: what the hell is with all people above C rank coming in here and posting about how they're above C rank, it makes you look insecure, like you have to 1 up the OP or something, weird. | ||
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Exteray
United States1094 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:45 OneOther wrote: i disagree. protoss is not generally cheesier. they have cheesy units along with other stuff? what in the world are you talking about? Zerg is definitely the cheesier race in ZvP, and it's also a matchup where there are most fluke wins. when Zerg opens 9 pool speedlings they have many different cheese options. sure, Protoss can do various cheeses in PvT as well, but none that are efficient as ZvP cheeses. ("cheesy units?" zerglings are the cheesiest units imo) Zerg cannot proxy(realistically). Protoss can. Big cheese advantage there. Zerg build openers often depend on the map. Anything from 9pool to 12hatch ZvP is considered standard by most players. No forge FE and fast tech is often considered cheesy in PvZ by many players. I guess it also depends on what you classify as cheese. Err by Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. I meant tactics, like doing things like runbys. I don't see how Zerglings would be the cheesiest unit. You can runby, so? Zealots can runby too. The unit is mean to be fast and weak. I don't consider that cheese. I would say lurker hopping across minerals and probe hopping for cannoning and stuff is though. That's what I was referring to as cheesy tactics. Zerg builds often alter depending on the map and what Protoss follows up an FE with. Standardized Protoss is usually FE, so builds other than that are somewhat rare. It's not surprising to see a Zerg follow up with different builds because they need to adapt accordingly. Cannon breaks from hydra play isn't cheesy IMO because it's not usually something you know you are going to do when you go into the game. If you notice the Protoss is skimping on cannons then you go for it. If you see he found out you made more hydras because of it he can add more cannons and it's no big deal to you. You can just not attack and you're not that far behind. You can't do that with 1base tech very well. You can't get a citadel in hopes of going fast DT, then see he scouted it and hope to come out ahead. You have to either attack or end up pretty far behind. It's cheesier than a cannon break for example. I don't know if any of this makes sense to anyone else. I just got off work and am extremely tired lol. Just my opinion anyway, don't mean to derailed the thread. | ||
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On August 15 2009 13:28 Grobyc wrote: Zerg cannot proxy(realistically). Protoss can. Big cheese advantage there. Zerg build openers often depend on the map. Anything from 9pool to 12hatch ZvP is considered standard by most players. No forge FE and fast tech is often considered cheesy in PvZ by many players. I guess it also depends on what you classify as cheese. Err by I meant tactics, like doing things like runbys. I don't see how Zerglings would be the cheesiest unit. You can runby, so? Zealots can runby too. The unit is mean to be fast and weak. I don't consider that cheese. I would say lurker hopping across minerals and probe hopping for cannoning and stuff is though. That's what I was referring to as cheesy tactics. Zerg builds often alter depending on the map and what Protoss follows up an FE with. Standardized Protoss is usually FE, so builds other than that are somewhat rare. It's not surprising to see a Zerg follow up with different builds because they need to adapt accordingly. Cannon breaks from hydra play isn't cheesy IMO because it's not usually something you know you are going to do when you go into the game. If you notice the Protoss is skimping on cannons then you go for it. If you see he found out you made more hydras because of it he can add more cannons and it's no big deal to you. You can just not attack and you're not that far behind. You can't do that with 1base tech very well. You can't get a citadel in hopes of going fast DT, then see he scouted it and hope to come out ahead. You have to either attack or end up pretty far behind. It's cheesier than a cannon break for example. I don't know if any of this makes sense to anyone else. I just got off work and am extremely tired lol. Just my opinion anyway, don't mean to derailed the thread. You must be tired because you don't make sense. I was really tempted to stop reading when you said Protoss has a cheese advantage over Zerg because they can proxy. You can't be serious. Zerg has overlords that see what the Protoss is doing, whereas Protoss doesn't know what the Zerg is up to if they go 9 pool Speedlings. I don't know what level you play at, but your arguments sound ludicrous at best. Sorry if I come off as rude - there's just no other word to describe them. 9 pool speedling itself isn't a cheese; it becomes cheese when you follow it up with an all-in. Zergs can win many games by running in speedlings if Protoss sets up a bad sim city or tries to be greedy, even at the slightest measures. How often do you see Protoss beating Zergs by doing "Zealot run-bys?" I mean, have you ever played a game of PvZ? Cheese wouldn't exist if you don't consider an all-in Zergling attack/run-by a cheese. If Protoss defends it, he wins; if he doesn't, he loses. Hydra cannon break isn't cheesy because you don't plan it? Most of times, Zerg decides that he is going to do it early on and plays accordingly by denying scouts and such. It's not something you can all of sudden decide you want to do it because you feel like it. This is quite frustrating, so I am going to stop arguing with you regarding this topic. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
What are the cheesy Protoss units? Dark Templar? Corsairs? Reavers? And how is a hydra break not cheese? Are you hydra breaking off of 5hatch? And, if so, how??? Also, to put it into perspective (sort of), this season, I'm getting cheesed about 75% of the time vs Z and 20% of the time vs P. Sorry if I sound kind of incoherent. I'm extremely tired right now. Also, I thought it was generally accepted that the race with greater cheesing possibilities in a MU mirrored the race with the advantage in each MU (Z>P, P>T, T>Z). | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
congrats anyway. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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RyuriaL
Singapore78 Posts
On August 15 2009 11:50 LuckyFool wrote: I can reach C in 50 less games than that, I think I'll make 27 blogs about it on TL.Net lol, mean. Congrats Racenilatr, GL on C+ | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
go us! http://www.iccup.com/gamingprofile/1iccup..html | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 15 2009 12:39 Grobyc wrote: Even so, it's like the pot calling the kettle black. Zerg can have cheesy tactics with units, Protoss can have cheesy units along with other stuff. Protoss is generally cheesier. Either way, C is still an achievement, GJ! Actually Z has the least number of cheeses OVERALL, and T has the most overall. P is medicore ZvP (Z has 2 hatch cannon break, 3 hatch ling all in, early pool, early mutas all-in) ZvT (None except early pool, offensive hatch is useless and impossible) PvZ (Few but not much, cannon rush, 5 gate goon all-in) PvT (Decent amount, DT rush, proxy gates, gas steal 2 gate, pylon block) TvZ (Bunker rush, early rax, valk wraith, fact lift into main, etc.) TvP (Bio all-in, 2 fac, wraiths, etc.) | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
wraiths tvp good one terran has the fewest cheese but nice try. | ||
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koreasilver
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
Just like how sometimes P will try scouts in PvZ (very rare but happens) Just because wraiths doesn't work in TvP doesn't mean its not cheese. Cheese = pretty much anything not standard | ||
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koreasilver
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 16 2009 04:00 koreasilver wrote: We get it, you have a vendetta against Terrans that you'll try to use anything that you can think of to push your point even if it's something as ridiculous as wraiths in TvP. You should continue refuting my argument with one liner ad hominem attacks, it makes your point that much stronger | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 16 2009 04:05 koreasilver wrote: You might as well add ghost rush TvZ and pure hydra ZvT then. You could have made a better counter if you didn't resort to extreme examples Ghost rush TvZ? At least early wraiths forces P to get detection as soon as possible. | ||
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Revabug
United Kingdom147 Posts
On August 16 2009 04:03 AzureEye wrote: Just because wraiths doesn't work in TvP doesn't mean its not cheese. Cheese = pretty much anything not standard Seriously, this isn't the thread for a define cheese argument, but your definition is ridiculous. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On the other hand, I can't think of one game where a Terran won by rushing wraiths in TvP. The only game I can remember is Leta vs Pusan on Andromeda where he went bio and wraiths and got owned really bad. And if anyone looks back at your posts, you've been extremely biased against Terran players for basically your entire posting history with no rest. It gets really repetitive and predictable. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2009 04:03 AzureEye wrote: Cheese = pretty much anything not standard That's the most absurd definition of cheese I've ever seen, not to mention that if that's your definition, your list is absurdly lacking (e.g. retarded crap like Sair/Goon PvT). | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
On August 16 2009 05:19 koreasilver wrote: And if anyone looks back at your posts, you've been extremely biased against Terran players for basically your entire posting history with no rest. It gets really repetitive and predictable. Yeah so what? I tend to repeat things for people like you. I'm also biased against people like you. Got a problem? I have my own opinions and if you don't like it, just ignore it. I always ignore the fact that you're a rude douche that always gives one liner insults to helpless new members when they're asking for help in strategy section. Yeah and? | ||
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petzergling
538 Posts
if you are 50% winrate C I would make a couple more acccounts and try to reach C with less losses to clean your game up. If you try to make a push to the next rank when you're already at 50% you're just going to be massgaming | ||
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