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Okay so we all know that good starcraft palyers seems to equal good poker players.. taking this to heart I decided to learn how to play Texas Hold 'Em.
I read two books over the course of 1 week.
The Theory of Poker - Sklansky
Hold 'Em Poker - Sklansky & Malmuth
I reread the parts i didn't fully grasp and even started quizzing myself on what to do in certain situations.. feeling pretty confident i proceeded to make an account on Pokerstars.. and even decided to dabble in the play money for about an hour just to make sure i wasnt full of myself.
my $1000 in play chips in less than an hour turned in $18000+ GREAT  I was ready to hit the tables.. or so i thought.
LOONG story short.. i lost $100 in less than 20 minutes
FML
and Fuck Poker
 
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Lol. What the fuck kind of bankroll management were you playing? A new player should be losing $2 or so max when he goes allin. You tried to jump directly from play money to low limit?
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On August 14 2009 17:48 Kwark wrote:
Lol. What the fuck kind of bankroll management were you playing? A new player should be losing $2 or so max when he goes allin. You tried to jump directly from play money to low limit?
I'd rather not say what went down haha.. for fear of some idol ex-SC player turne dpokerstar see this and laughs his ass off. GiYom or Rekrul mainly.
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shoulda done your research
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I'd guess a significant portion of this site has at some point played online poker.
Btw, just so you know, you pretty much did the equivalent of reading the Blizzard Starcraft tips on their website (such as countering firebats with scouts) and then jumping onto icc. And playing betgames. For $100.
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On August 14 2009 17:55 Kwark wrote:
Btw, just so you know, you pretty much did the equivalent of reading the Blizzard Starcraft tips on their website (such as countering firebats with scouts) and then jumping onto icc. And playing betgames. For $100.
lol.. the stove? 
point taken
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LOLOLOLOL
you didn't read anything on bankroll management?!!? the single most important aspect of the game hahahahaha.
what limit were you playing?
don't tell me you went short stacked into a game all-ined and lost?
edit: on second thought do tell me please ^ ^
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What limits did you start at to lose money so fast?
Took me forever to lose my free 2$ at pokerstars.
and thats only because of the rage tilt of having a 2$ bankroll lol. (in case your wondering i turned it to 10$ and then lost like 4 times AA v. KK or KK v. AA.
How do you let go of kings?
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On August 14 2009 18:00 Etherone wrote:
you didn't read anything on bankroll management?!!? the single most important aspect of the game hahahahaha.
Oddly enough since i have both books right here.. neither book mentions Anything about bankroll management.. ):
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lol you probably played with like 1 buyin at the 1/2$ table am i right, gotta start from the micro tables bro
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On August 14 2009 17:55 Kwark wrote:
I'd guess a significant portion of this site has at some point played online poker.
Btw, just so you know, you pretty much did the equivalent of reading the Blizzard Starcraft tips on their website (such as countering firebats with scouts) and then jumping onto icc. And playing betgames. For $100.
I think scouts are pretty good against firebats....
Poker sucks atleast the low-players oh god, I got tired of losing to shitty plays.....
Also poker takes a lot of time IMO.
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On August 14 2009 18:12 Mah Buckit! wrote:
Poker sucks atleast the low-players oh god, I got tired of losing to shitty plays.....
lol.
well i guess the more fish the better..
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Terran Counters
* Marines work best here. Marines with Stim Pack. Marines in Bunkers.
* Later on, use Vultures and Spider Mines.
* Siege Tanks can fire on groups of Firebats at long distances.
* Cast Irradiate on groups of Firebats.
* Use Wraiths and Battlecruisers because Firebats cannot attack air targets.
Protoss
Protoss players sometimes run into trouble fighting Stim Packed Firebats. Zealots can be slaughtered by the Firebats unless you outnumber them, and they are not controlled properly by the enemy.
* Firebats have difficulty destroying Dragoons. Build up a group of Dragoons and use them to attack the Firebats if the enemy continues to build lots of Firebats. Use Shield Batteries to keep them alive. Use Dragoons in combination with Zealots against Firebats.
* If no Dragoons are available, try to outnumber the Firebats with Zealots.
* Catch Firebats while they are moving in single file lines catching them by surprise
* Build Reavers later on as they can easily destroy them.
* Use Scouts and Carriers to attack them from the air since they cannot respond to the attack.
http://classic.battle.net/scc/terran/ufire.shtml
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On August 14 2009 18:03 vRoOk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 18:00 Etherone wrote:
you didn't read anything on bankroll management?!!? the single most important aspect of the game hahahahaha.
Oddly enough since i have both books right here.. neither book mentions Anything about bankroll management.. ):
most good poker books are more of a tool to sharpen your skills once you have the fundamentals down, and can see clearly where these things apply.
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On August 14 2009 18:02 ShaperofDreams wrote:
How do you let go of kings?
"The fourth raise before the flop means pocket aces" from Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book.
You have to be able to lay down hands like that from time to time... the board doesn't always favor your huge pair. At low stakes, a favorite play is to limp in with pocket AA/KK/QQ/JJ, then shove after any flop. (People of course shove anything at low-stakes; I was holding a raggy ace once and I tried to bluff that I was slow-playing AK on an AKx flop... the guy called with AQ, but I hit my second pair and sacrificed a lamb.) My favorite counter-play is to flop a set and take the guy's whole stack.
Anyway, bankroll management is something that some people just have to experience, even though they read all the warnings about bad beats and probabilities. Sometimes calmness and confidence actually gets in the way of patience, so you play sloppy because you are too ready to be the next Elky.
I used to have a really wild break-even strategy for my bankroll: I would be down a significant number of buy-ins, so instead of grinding back, I would take all my money to the highest stakes I could afford, win back all those buy-ins with one all-in, and then smash a lamp on my testicles.
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wow must have been shitty books. I never read any books and I won over 500$ with the 50$ free  also didn't play with playmoney.
But I'm a good starcraft player. XD
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On August 14 2009 18:17 oBlade wrote:
I used to have a really wild break-even strategy for my bankroll: I would be down a significant number of buy-ins, so instead of grinding back, I would take all my money to the highest stakes I could afford, win back all those buy-ins with one all-in, and then smash a lamp on my testicles.
That's exactly the kind of strategy that makes you go broke. But I'm guilty of it too.
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On August 14 2009 18:17 oBlade wrote:"The fourth raise before the flop means pocket aces" from Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book. You have to be able to lay down hands like that from time to time... the board doesn't always favor your huge pair. At low stakes, a favorite play is to limp in with pocket AA/KK/QQ/JJ, then shove after any flop. (People of course shove anything at low-stakes; I was holding a raggy ace once and I tried to bluff that I was slow-playing AK on an AKx flop... the guy called with AQ, but I hit my second pair and sacrificed a lamb.) My favorite counter-play is to flop a set and take the guy's whole stack. Anyway, bankroll management is something that some people just have to experience, even though they read all the warnings about bad beats and probabilities. Sometimes calmness and confidence actually gets in the way of patience, so you play sloppy because you are too ready to be the next Elky. I used to have a really wild break-even strategy for my bankroll: I would be down a significant number of buy-ins, so instead of grinding back, I would take all my money to the highest stakes I could afford, win back all those buy-ins with one all-in, and then smash a lamp on my testicles.
Whats this lamp thing you keep mentioning?
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On August 14 2009 18:33 Ota Solgryn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 18:17 oBlade wrote:On August 14 2009 18:02 ShaperofDreams wrote:
How do you let go of kings? "The fourth raise before the flop means pocket aces" from Phil Gordon's Little Blue Book. You have to be able to lay down hands like that from time to time... the board doesn't always favor your huge pair. At low stakes, a favorite play is to limp in with pocket AA/KK/QQ/JJ, then shove after any flop. (People of course shove anything at low-stakes; I was holding a raggy ace once and I tried to bluff that I was slow-playing AK on an AKx flop... the guy called with AQ, but I hit my second pair and sacrificed a lamb.) My favorite counter-play is to flop a set and take the guy's whole stack. Anyway, bankroll management is something that some people just have to experience, even though they read all the warnings about bad beats and probabilities. Sometimes calmness and confidence actually gets in the way of patience, so you play sloppy because you are too ready to be the next Elky. I used to have a really wild break-even strategy for my bankroll: I would be down a significant number of buy-ins, so instead of grinding back, I would take all my money to the highest stakes I could afford, win back all those buy-ins with one all-in, and then smash a lamp on my testicles. Whats this lamp thing you keep mentioning?
It evens out the karma. When you luck out hard in your insane highstakes allin you need to punish yourself to balance it out otherwise next time you try it you'll lose everything. Kinda obvious.
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the hardest part of poker for me is learning to control yourself. after like 5 minutes of playing i just get bored and bluff every hand then go all in rofl.
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On August 14 2009 18:54 stroggos wrote:
the hardest part of poker for me is learning to control yourself. after like 5 minutes of playing i just get bored and bluff every hand then go all in rofl.
Play 8 tables. Won't get bored.
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On August 14 2009 19:52 psion0011 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 14 2009 18:54 stroggos wrote:
the hardest part of poker for me is learning to control yourself. after like 5 minutes of playing i just get bored and bluff every hand then go all in rofl. Play 8 tables. Won't get bored.
by 8 you mean 24 right? ^ ^
and one has to be HU.
lol that 4bet rule on the "little blue book" is outdated.
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Fuck poker it involves maths I think
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Lol I didn't start on real money until I built up a few million play money chips. And even then I only loaded $15 onto Pokerstars.
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The books you read are mainly about limit poker, they're not the best for learning NL actually. But really, there's so many NL articles on Internet, you should find plenty of information anywhere
By the way, if you have played ICCUP before, it's very easy to approach poker if you keep in mind your old progress in SC. For exemple, playmoney = Money maps on battle.net When you start on 0,01/0,02 NL5, you're D-. Don't start thinking you're good, because you're not. Once you get a large enough bankroll for NL10 (200$) and you know you can crush NL5, your rank's D. You still suck and have a lot to learn, but at least you're not D- anymore. If you lose a few buy-in, don't bother trying going any further, go down a few stakes and rebuild, like when you're losing a rank on ICCUP.
What you did in poker would be the equivalent in SC of joining a C+ to B+ games having only played Big Game Hunters in your life, and betting money on those games. But unless you're extremely unlucky or stupid and unwilling to improve, you can easily beat NL5.
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should start at 1cent/2cent blinds.
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lol, you read arguably the most advanced books on poker thoery and skipped the basic ones. Then you jumped into play money (which is literally a joke) and decided you were good enough to play mid stakes with improper bank roll management.
I'd suggest a few semi poker books which are just about lives and bankroll management (good reads even if there is not that much poker info in here):
Poker Wisdom of a Champion, 2003 (formerly titled According to Doyle when published in 1984)
Barry Greenstein - Ace on the River
Then you should read some more basic poker strategy books like :
Brunson Super System (mostly the Holdem/NL holdem parts but the rest is good to know too).
Phil Hellmuth - Play Poker Like The Pros
And if you wanna get into tournaments:
Dan Harrington on Holdem books.
Then re read the skalnsky books when you can understand them better.
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