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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 23 2009 08:48 d1v wrote: Hmm, I find their sound to be rather mediocre tbh. What do you guys think of "Vesper's Descent"? http://www.myspace.com/vespersdescent They're the best band from Australia by far. Their guitarist is quite good and the vocals compliment the band very well. I prefer their full album to their new EP, though it's close. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On July 23 2009 08:45 [Fin]Vittu wrote: @food, bathory is EVERYTHING that defines black metal in its early form. The albums from the self titled "bathory" to "blood fire death" pretty much helped the black metal scene evolve. the raspy vocals, rawness of the drums and the riffs its plain garbage and if you still listen to it thats your fault lol "in its early form" that says so much. Means it was thrash with blackish vocals? who doesnt know this. move on | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
early form meaning when black metal was still relatively unknown. you move on. oh and venom rules. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 23 2009 09:01 [Fin]Vittu wrote: its not plain garbage, instead a whole lot of 2nd wave of black metal bands and the ones AFTER that have been influenced by bathory. early form meaning when black metal was still relatively unknown. you move on. oh and venom rules. I'd say Emperor were more influential than Bathory even though Bathory influenced the original BM bands. Anyways, if this was the case Deep Purple would keep coming up time and time again as "one of the best" since they were one of the most influential bands in the beginning on the whole of metal. | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
deep purple didn't have anything to do with black metal. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 23 2009 09:09 [Fin]Vittu wrote: emperor hardly did anything aside from that in the night side eclipse album. deep purple didn't have anything to do with black metal. Deep Purple was one of if not the most influential band on the WHOLE of metal. It influenced some of the first waves of metal like Thrash (Notably was the major influence on Metallica). Deep Purple was also a major influence on bands like Venom (Who along with Bathory were the pioneers of the to come Black Metal scene) and Hellhammer. Without Deep Purple there might not be a Thrash, Black Metal, or Death Metal scene since they are the ORIGINAL influence on METAL (This encompasses all genres of metal). | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 23 2009 09:31 [Fin]Vittu wrote: we are talking about black metal here Ugh. Don't you get it. Without Deep Purple there might not have been a VENOM. They were the major influence on Venom. Here, I'll break this down. Deep Purple | / \ BM Thrash | \ BM SubG. DM In other words, without Deep Purple to influence the beginning of Metal (That is Heavy Metal, Thrash, and Black Metal) those genres that popped up (The aforementioned) might not have come into existence (Or at least not for a great while) therefore those genres would not have had the bands to influence the later genres like Death Metal, Folk/Pagan, Melodic Death, Power, etc. It's called branching. If you went back in time and killed Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and there was no more Ozzy or Ritchie Blackmoore how do you think the Metal scene would have evolved? Those two bands are the most influential bands in the history of METAL because they are the ORIGINAL bands. Comprehend please ;/ | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
On July 23 2009 09:37 Aegraen wrote: Ugh. Don't you get it. Without Deep Purple there might not have been a VENOM. They were the major influence on Venom. Here, I'll break this down. Deep Purple | / \ BM Thrash | \ BM SubG. DM In other words, without Deep Purple to influence the beginning of Metal (That is Heavy Metal, Thrash, and Black Metal) those genres that popped up (The aforementioned) might not have come into existence (Or at least not for a great while) therefore those genres would not have had the bands to influence the later genres like Death Metal, Folk/Pagan, Melodic Death, Power, etc. It's called branching. If you went back in time and killed Deep Purple and Black Sabbath and there was no more Ozzy or Ritchie Blackmoore how do you think the Metal scene would have evolved? Those two bands are the most influential bands in the history of METAL because they are the ORIGINAL bands. Comprehend please ;/ so lets talk about jazz, blues, and rock and roll too! Wait what about tribal music or classical music, I guess we wouldn't have black metal with those! Oh, and you're wrong deep Purple + Judas Priest -> Iron Maiden + NWOHBM -> Thrash -> BM | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On July 23 2009 09:55 FragKrag wrote: so lets talk about jazz, blues, and rock and roll too! Wait what about tribal music or classical music, I guess we wouldn't have black metal with those! Oh, and you're wrong deep Purple + Judas Priest -> Iron Maiden + NWOHBM -> Thrash -> BM haha, so true. lets keep it to the bands that started out as black metal or actually influenced black metal. no need to drag the beginning of sound into this. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On July 23 2009 10:16 [Fin]Vittu wrote: haha, so true. lets keep it to the bands that started out as black metal or actually influenced black metal. no need to drag the beginning of sound into this. lol you just dont get it everyone knows about bathory. Its not something that BM listener would listen to. As a history lesson, sure, i still have 2-3 albums. As something on a regular basis? Hed have to be retarded. Bathory relates to BM almost as much as Black Sabbath, it simply wasnt black. W/e you babble about respect, its a meaningless information. We all know the origins here, thanks for input | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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King K. Rool
Canada4408 Posts
On July 23 2009 11:03 food wrote: lol you just dont get it everyone knows about bathory. Its not something that BM listener would listen to. As a history lesson, sure, i still have 2-3 albums. As something on a regular basis? Hed have to be retarded. Bathory relates to BM almost as much as Black Sabbath, it simply wasnt black. W/e you babble about respect, its a meaningless information. We all know the origins here, thanks for input wat. The first few albums sure you could definitely argue about them being simply origins and more influencial than good compared to some stuff now (I disagree, but w.e) but Blood Fire Death is still one of the best BM albums out there. On July 23 2009 09:09 [Fin]Vittu wrote: Anthems and Nightside were both very influential, dunno about the other two, but I enjoyed them still.emperor hardly did anything aside from that in the night side eclipse album. deep purple didn't have anything to do with black metal. | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On July 19 2009 18:12 Foucault wrote: Black metal. However they started incorporating symphonic arrangements into their music early on and later on industrial influences, which makes them not so "true" in some peoples eyes. You mean they actually started to incorporate music into otherwise unintelligible mix of growling and ear-tearing noises?  | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On July 23 2009 11:13 FragKrag wrote: Uh, Bathory's first 3 or so albums are 1st wave of Norwegian BM -_-;; thank you, someone who GETS it. to clarify the 1st wave: bathory, venom, hellhammer, celtic frost. these are the bands that gave rise to other black metal bands (second wave and beyond). kind of like the building blocks of future black metal, helping them define the genre and how it is supposed to be. | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On July 23 2009 11:55 King K. Rool wrote: wat. The first few albums sure you could definitely argue about them being simply origins and more influencial than good compared to some stuff now (I disagree, but w.e) but Blood Fire Death is still one of the best BM albums out there. bullshit argue all you want, it cant be one of the best black metal albums ever just because it wasnt black yet. Everyone knows it was prototype of black but thats it. First black metal band was Mayhem. Bathory experimented with a lot of shit and they eventually ended up doing something else. You can find many elements of black in their early releases( see you are wrong here as well, they remotely remind BM only in first 4 albums) like vocals and lyrics overall, somewhat different pace, but thats it. Dont try to make something look bigger then it was | ||
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food
United States1951 Posts
On July 23 2009 12:17 [Fin]Vittu wrote: thank you, someone who GETS it. to clarify the 1st wave: bathory, venom, hellhammer, celtic frost. these are the bands that gave rise to other black metal bands (second wave and beyond). kind of like the building blocks of future black metal, helping them define the genre and how it is supposed to be. fuck yeah, building blocks. None of it was black metal, it only supports my point. If something like venom/hellhammer belongs to the same wave that only proves that bathory was in the same category. Not black metal, but one of its originators. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On July 23 2009 12:22 food wrote: fuck yeah, building blocks. None of it was black metal, it only supports my point. If something like venom/hellhammer belongs to the same wave that only proves that bathory was in the same category. Not black metal, but one of its originators. Correct. Compare Emperor's Wrath of the Tyrant EP which is the quintiessential BM sound to anything Venom/Bathory/Celtic Frost/Hellhammer put out in the early 80s and later and you can tell the difference. Bathory also was more closely linked with the beginnings of Viking metal also. Emperor - Ancient Queen Compare to Venom Black Metal (Which is pretty much agreed the origin of the start of BM) Honestly, if you call that BM, I scoff at you. They created the building blocks, but didn't actually play BM. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11554 Posts
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Frits
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that second clip in the op is comedy gold | ||
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