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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 03:49:48
July 15 2009 03:47 GMT
#1
So heres the situation. Currently I'm staying with my parents, and the internet here is really bad in a way. The download speed isn't that horrible, but my ping to anything and everything is horrendous, so that rules out garena, hamachi, and iccup. I dont really think thats such a bad thing though, it seems recently the more I've been playing on Iccup the more i've been sucking, and thats saying something, since I was already D- level. I'm gonna be here for a month, and I don't want to spend the month just playing against the AI. What I'm asking is, taking into account that I cannot play online, can anyone please suggest a schedule, or methods on how to get better? I know, grind BOs, I already have most of liquipedia printed out and my favourite BOs on post-its on my computer screen. I also know I need to watch replays and VODs, but i'm looking for slightly more in depth advice. When I'm looking at replays, what should be my mindset? what exactly am I looking for? I've looked over many of them and I get the general gist of what i should be doing, but somehow it just doesn't seem to help. If anyone has any advice, please post! And I don't mind criticism so go nuts

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43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
17015 Posts
July 15 2009 03:50 GMT
#2
Actually, what I'd do is take a bunch of "standard" replays of different builds, like 2 gate > reaver > expo PvP, standard 3 hat muta PvZ, etc., and practice them over and over by yourself until it becomes pretty much automated. Practice your macro, multitasking, etc. Try and keep your supply always ready, your worker count optimal, all your gates building, always expanding more, adding more facs, etc. It's actually quite difficult, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes more natural in an actual game.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 15 2009 03:56 GMT
#3
On July 15 2009 12:50 Empyrean wrote:
Actually, what I'd do is take a bunch of "standard" replays of different builds, like 2 gate > reaver > expo PvP, standard 3 hat muta PvZ, etc., and practice them over and over by yourself until it becomes pretty much automated. Practice your macro, multitasking, etc. Try and keep your supply always ready, your worker count optimal, all your gates building, always expanding more, adding more facs, etc. It's actually quite difficult, but once you get the hang of it, it becomes more natural in an actual game.


Would you recommend practicing against the normal AI, or in an empty game? A lot of common build orders die hard to some of the messed up stuff the normal AI opens with. I downloaded reppacks of white ra, draco and JF from TSL, do you think these are good reps to learn from?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
July 15 2009 03:59 GMT
#4
Entropy, BW AI

http://www.broodwarai.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=311
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27154 Posts
July 15 2009 04:04 GMT
#5
The BWAI has saved me from many long days at work. It is awesome stuff.
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TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 15 2009 04:12 GMT
#6
On July 15 2009 12:59 epicdoom wrote:
Entropy, BW AI

http://www.broodwarai.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=311


Awesome, thanks! Does this AI perform normal, standard BOs? If thats the case its invaluable for practicing timing i guess.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
July 15 2009 04:26 GMT
#7
On July 15 2009 13:12 TheAntZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 12:59 epicdoom wrote:
Entropy, BW AI

http://www.broodwarai.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=311


Awesome, thanks! Does this AI perform normal, standard BOs? If thats the case its invaluable for practicing timing i guess.

it's fun, but outdated. don't count on it for practicing timings.
just practice a build alone (no comps) until it's perfect and then see how much you can multitask (move around as much shit as you can) while still doing your build
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 15 2009 04:38 GMT
#8
Alright, I think I get the general idea. Thanks to everyone for their replies! =)
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
July 15 2009 04:41 GMT
#9
Can anyone enlighten me and tell me what and ai is??
No no no no its not mine!
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 15 2009 04:44 GMT
#10
AI is basically the computer opponent, the Entropy AI linked above is I think an AI that acts more similarly to a real player then the one that you get with the game.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 04:54:13
July 15 2009 04:52 GMT
#11
Check out my post in this thread

Overview of my post
Play standard build orders when you can. Some don't allow you to so use those to practice midgame management.
Use different ai for different matchups.
Focus on keeping apm up and macro going. I played these to improved my basic speed and mechanics.
Learn micro from micro maps.

Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
July 15 2009 05:04 GMT
#12
On July 15 2009 13:44 TheAntZ wrote:
AI is basically the computer opponent, the Entropy AI linked above is I think an AI that acts more similarly to a real player then the one that you get with the game.


Thanks yo!
No no no no its not mine!
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 15 2009 05:15 GMT
#13
I'm probably getting greedy here, but could everyone please upload the single player micro training maps they use? I downloaded a lot of UMS map-packs including locked's one, but most of the maps cannot be played single player
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
July 15 2009 05:33 GMT
#14
1v3 comps and don't rush. Play a map like Colo2 standard that's what I did on my desktop when I had no internet and it made for some nice challenges. Really helps you refine army control and get better macro when you don't have to worry about "omg is he lurker dropping or fast muta????"
Eniram
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Sudan3166 Posts
July 15 2009 07:50 GMT
#15
Or, instead of all that, you can do something productive.
You can like take a newb to like water, but you cant like make a newb drink. Ya know? - Jeremy
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17731 Posts
July 15 2009 08:41 GMT
#16
nothing more productive than starcraft
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
July 16 2009 05:43 GMT
#17
On July 15 2009 16:50 Eniram wrote:
Or, instead of all that, you can do something productive.


Like posting on an online forum to advise someone to be productive? I'll get right to it.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 16 2009 06:54 GMT
#18
do the 300/300 challenge
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