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Amaroq
United States59 Posts
I understand that cheese is a part of the game and that I should learn to fight it, but I would much, much rather get my standard play up to par first and then work on that kind of thing with specific counters memorized. all that being said, Id really like to find some D/D+/C-ish practice partners that I could play against that wouldn't cheese me 100% of the time to get some good practice! so PM me or add me on iccup (Amaroq) for some games   | ||
Chill
Calgary25996 Posts
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Amaroq
United States59 Posts
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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minus_human
4784 Posts
You actually don't have a choice (besides finding regular training partners) than to learn how to deal with cheese, and work on late game management/multitasking etc later on. Learn micro and either some aggressive BOs or very defensive ones, so you can start stopping unorthodox players dead in their tracks. Then you can work on standard/ideal macro play, after you get really used with responding to messy situations. Do remember that in your situation and at your level, proper and extensive scouting will make or break any game 95% of the time. | ||
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AzureEye
United States1360 Posts
But now that Wraiths / early factory T builds are so common in TvZ, Terrans do it because their cheese just lets them transition to their build and don't get punished as severely as much for it For example, a Terran might proxy vulture, lift the fact into the back of your main, and IF his cheese is blocked, he can just transition to mech. Lets say that Z went for early lurker drop and it gets blocked. You've given up on muta timing which lets T safely expand, and he has map control at that point Try to get a friend who plays slightly better than you and practice all day with him It really helps | ||
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
I advise you look at your matchlist and cry when you see all the people you played who were B rank last season. | ||
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
Many ppl idle there but window mode / stealthbot is the solution. + Show Spoiler + lol stealth- not spybot edit: have you seen this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81706 edit2: How to set up stealthbot on ICCUP: http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/forum/general_forum/9/55672.html | ||
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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Amaroq
United States59 Posts
On July 01 2009 07:39 stroggos wrote: Sounds like your making up excuses for your loses tbh. someone cheesing you doesn't mean you automatically lose. In fact, if people are cheesing you all the time it should be easy to adapt and easier to play against cheese as you have more experience. I envy the amount of cheese you get to play against. Im not complaining cause I lose every time... I beat cheeses a fair amount. one of the games where I got cheesed today turned into an epic game that I won, a lot of fun. Im complaining because I cant learn proper mechanics when every game I get rushed one way or another | ||
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Amaroq
United States59 Posts
On July 01 2009 07:40 beetlelisk wrote: OP IRC @ ICCUP Many ppl idle there but window mode / spybot is the solution. I can't find thread how to setup bot on on iccup on iccup's site because something is wrog with search thing now ><. edit: have you seen this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81706 On July 01 2009 07:41 infinity21 wrote: Another solution is to join a clan where you can ask people to do certain builds to practice against. thanks and thanks. | ||
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armed_
Canada443 Posts
On July 01 2009 07:41 Amaroq wrote: Im complaining because I cant learn proper mechanics when every game I get rushed one way or another Yes you can. And even if you couldn't, there's no reason to insist on learning standard play before defending cheese if your training environment is much better for the latter than the former. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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Lucktar
United States526 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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stroggos
New Zealand1543 Posts
On July 01 2009 07:41 Amaroq wrote: Im not complaining cause I lose every time... I beat cheeses a fair amount. one of the games where I got cheesed today turned into an epic game that I won, a lot of fun. Im complaining because I cant learn proper mechanics when every game I get rushed one way or another define "proper mechanics" if you get cheesed all the time then cheese becomes standard. And standard becomes cheese. You said you got cheesed alot but you win a fair amount against cheese. A 33% win rate is all that is required to get to C- rank You need good mechanics to fight both cheese and standard, so i'm not sure why you'd want to only practice against standard play. people still cheese a lot in the higher ranks. maybe even more so than the lower ranks | ||
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pinenamu
United States770 Posts
 i'm getting raped here and there by guys with win percents > 80. i feel so helpless playing against these guys. i even played a previous season A- for goodness sakes D; | ||
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n.DieJokes
United States3443 Posts
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Numba
United States76 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11556 Posts
Cheese is fine! | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28781 Posts
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InfeSteD
United States4658 Posts
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On July 01 2009 08:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: i dont understand at all, ive played shitloads of iccup last couple seasons, hundreds of games, but i seriously hardly ever encounter cheese, like one out of 20 games or something.. not as often as it should be honestly xD I think OP's definition of cheese is different from your definition. Plus, if you scout well and your early game looks solid, opponent is less likely to make some sort of allin build. So yeah, I think 'bad' players get cheesed a lot more at D ranks. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
So I made vults + mine and mined the fuck outta my natural, and usual spots for a shuttle / dt drop. defended it perfectly fine and got a win. Just scout well, and know what your opponent should have, so you will know if something just doesnt feel right | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
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CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11595 Posts
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
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DBunny
Canada192 Posts
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
Oh and 2port wraith is a solid build on some maps (not a cheese, wtf) but can be dominated if scouted, try actually floating the overlord into the base to scout it instead of just stopping at the borders the standard timing is a 20 or 22 I think 2 ports so just have that overlord that's chillin on the border to just check it out because chances are if its a pure mech, which everyone is doing nowadays they wont' have enough rines to take out the overlord before info is gathered. | ||
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Cloud
Sexico5880 Posts
Find out ways to respond vs it, the thing vs proxies and stuff is that once you know how/when to scout it and how to react, you will rarely lose a game against it again. | ||
boesthius
United States11637 Posts
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knyttym
United States5797 Posts
I played 6 games vs Zerg. Only 1 was actual cheese but I just wanted to play once vs a standard two hatch lair and didn't get to. 2 were 1hatch lair ->2hatch 1 was a 5 pool sunken rush 1 was 9 pool sunken rush 1 was 1 hatch lurker Last one I don't remember but it wasn't standard. On the D+/C- level though, I rarely encounter any type of cheese. People still do annoying things but rarely do I encounter a 5 pool or proxy 2gate zealot. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
On July 01 2009 08:44 Liquid`Drone wrote: i dont understand at all, ive played shitloads of iccup last couple seasons, hundreds of games, but i seriously hardly ever encounter cheese, like one out of 20 games or something.. not as often as it should be honestly xD this is because the people that are actually D level think that what they are seeing is cheese, when in actuality it's just standard play that you have to defend. I get the same thing, every season I climb the ladder I'll maybe play only 5 out of 70 games when they really go all-in | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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R3condite
Korea (South)1541 Posts
On July 01 2009 07:41 infinity21 wrote: Another solution is to join a clan where you can ask people to do certain builds to practice against. this is probably the best choice out there. Make sure to choose a non-douche clan | ||
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