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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2802 Posts
June 29 2009 02:06 GMT
#1
Hi all.

I'm a Computer Science student currently living in the U.S. specifically in Texas. I've been living in this country for about 5 years now immigrating from Venezuela, at age 14, just fleeing from the corrupted government. My relatives, whom visit me from time to time, constantly tell me that I made the right decition by moving out because the thing is going from bad to worse in my country, and fast.

Right now I'm having some "papers" issues, preventing me from getting a drivers license and probably from getting a future job when I'm done with college, which will be around this time next year. I don't know whether the president will be fixing this issue or should I marry an american woman to get my greencard? However, I find that very rude even if my motives for marrying her aren't just for getting the greencard, but instead marrying her because of pure love. But I won't go there.

I love this country a lot, don't get me wrong, but there are just many things that I feel I won't be able to accomplish just because I'm an illegal immigrant. Yes, I will be going for my PhD. and everything but I don't think that will fix the problem.

So I was planning on moving to Britain as soon as I'm done with college. However, I don't really think that would be a good decision knowing that the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world right now, and one with many opportunities. Would I be throwing away a huge opportunity (I'm currently doing summer research with NASA and Chevron representatives about high performance computing with clusters and parallel programming, so I think I can have a good shot with them once I graduate)?

I'm so confused. I feel I can make more money here but for some reason I just have loved the thought of living on an island. It's been one of my dreams since I was very little, living in Europe, my great-grandparents are from there so I think they passed something down onto me. I'm tired of everytime having to go to work and riding the metro through infinite amounts of pavement (this country is so HUGE, I repeat, HUUGEE). And I'm looking for something different. I'm probably saying this because I'm living in Texas which is a pretty vast and hot place to live in, I don't know.

I just want to know you guys' thoughts. What do you guys think about each country, their pros and cons, and have a nice discussion so that I can ponder about my future plans. Thanks!

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HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
June 29 2009 02:15 GMT
#2
go to europe man, if you have the brain it seems you have, you'll succeed anywhere. Location is very important when it comes to being happy. try it out, if u decide its not for you, just come back.
Im cooler than the other side of the pillow.
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6641 Posts
June 29 2009 02:21 GMT
#3
Well if it's a choice between living in the US as an illegal immigrant or coming over here then you'd be far better off moving to Britain. With your qualifications you'd be able to get a damn good job and live in a nice house or flat in any city in the country.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
June 29 2009 02:24 GMT
#4
Do you still have time to possibly do an internship over in Europe?

Ask the people who you already work with, you'd be surprised at people's experiences, and maybe they'll give you some insight and help you make an educated decision, instead of just advice from random people online
Get it by your hands...
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 29 2009 02:40 GMT
#5
Move to Sweden you can stay at my place and we can play BW everyday
gg
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ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
June 29 2009 04:29 GMT
#6
UK is a fantastic place to live if you have the brainpower/qualifications to do it.

I would not recommend against it
: o )
Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 29 2009 06:11 GMT
#7
If you have networks in NASA or Chevron you have a nice deal going for you.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
June 29 2009 06:18 GMT
#8
Can't you get a citizenship if you have an important job that the US needs?
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-29 07:04:46
June 29 2009 07:04 GMT
#9
On June 29 2009 11:06 EsX_Raptor wrote:
-snip-

Well it depends what you want to do with your career.
The UK is not as strong in computer related jobs as the US. The US really is the hub of the world when it comes to programming.
As a computer scientist in the UK you are far more likely to be doing consultancy work.

We're better for Engineering, particularly F1 or Electronics.
However with your CV maybe you could work for GCHQ (our intelligence agency, arguably the best in the world).
I'd recommend looking for a job, or a PHD offer before you move. You might be able to complete your PHD at Cambridge, which would then get you set for life pretty much.
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lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
June 29 2009 07:09 GMT
#10
How are you able to live in the UK legally but not in the US?
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Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
June 29 2009 07:16 GMT
#11
On June 29 2009 16:09 lilsusie wrote:
How are you able to live in the UK legally but not in the US?

Because we have really lax immigration laws.
All he needs is a work permit from the home office.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
lilsusie
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3861 Posts
June 29 2009 07:36 GMT
#12
... Now, I'm not sure how that works because I've been trying to get a work permit for the UK and your immigration laws aren't as lax as you think. Most UK companies do not like giving out work visas to non EU members, Americans especially, from what I've encountered.

Unless he's going to go to the UK as a student first and then grabbing a job there, I don't see how it would be easier for him to go to the UK than to apply for citizenship in the US where he's been going to school for the past few years.
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Vequeth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United Kingdom1116 Posts
June 29 2009 08:44 GMT
#13
On June 29 2009 15:11 Railz wrote:
If you have networks in NASA or Chevron you have a nice deal going for you.


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