So far I've got 3 maps. Destination, Colosseum 2 and Python. Blue Storm is on it's way. I would really like you guys to critic them. Specially: 1) Does the camera work look ok? Shaking too much? Do you feel like it should be showing more of the map? Or it should be more straightforward and only go from one starting location to another? 2) Does the music seem too silly and out of place? Just I just use a SC music on all of them? Or no music at all? 3) Does the background fit the animation or should it be something completely different? 4) Any other problem you noticed?
I would also like to make the current Kespa maps that aren't in ICCup yet: holy world, shades of twilight. If anyone know how I could get high quality pics of those maps (better than tlpd and mapdori). I would appreciate it.
Sick, kinda wish SC2 had this art style (I.E. just SC in 3d). Also love the music choice (but only because of Arctic Monkeys, you're right it does seem kind of out of place). Only thing that may need some improvement is the camerawork. I'd like it to focus more on the details of the map, and they could definately be abit longer to really show off all the features of it. The skybox seems fine.
This is really cool. What I think you should try to work on is make it give a comprehensible overview of the pathing (I'm thinking maps like Chupung, BlueStorm, Heartbreak). A 3D overview of Python doesn't really add anything to just the picture we have in tlpd?
most people are just gonna be like "omfg this is so cool" so i'll post an actual opinion:
I think you need to start from the zoomed out perspective of the map. It's a little disorientating when you're at this weird angle coming along the floor, you don't know which part of the map you're at especially if you don't recognize the map. If you start zoomed out then focus on key areas of the map (main, expansions) it's a lot easier to get your bearing and works much better as an introduction to people who might not know the map. I think in general though the camera work is a little too jumpy - moving in a straight line from one main to the next doesn't really create much flow - if you make it more swervy and spin the camera as you turn to reach that point it will feel a lot more fluid.
I think the music is really, really cheesy. I guess it doesn't really matter though - any leagues who pick it up will more than likely have their own music or commentary going on over the map preview so anything you put in will most likely end up muted.
the only other thing I can think to mention is in the destination one when you pan around it looks like the bridges are being twisted around by someone. I don't know much about 3D animation so I'm not sure if that's just a result of how you have to animate something like that.
well, that's all I've got to say. Overall I liked them a lot and I think it would be really nice if some foreigner leagues picked this sort of thing up because it really adds to the professionalism of the whole thing.
As I said in the first thread already, I'd reduce the height difference between high and low ground. Ramps are very very steep this way, especially the wide ramps on Colosseum look awkward. The background and music are a matter of taste of course, I'd prefer it without either. Not to sound too negative though. It's great work!
On the Korean channels, they have an arrow that grows from one starting location to other starting locations/places on the map. It would mean a lot to viewers if you could do that somehow. The grid lines under the terrain don't look so good to me, but it's not a big deal. Good job. ^^
On June 03 2009 21:04 VIB wrote: I would also like to make the current Kespa maps that aren't in ICCup yet: holy world, shades of twilight. If anyone know how I could get high quality pics of those maps (better than tlpd and mapdori). I would appreciate it.
If you have the map or a replay on the maps in question, you can create a pretty detailed picture of the map using RepXplorer. That should be able to get you what you need.
On June 03 2009 21:42 Tropics wrote: most people are just gonna be like "omfg this is so cool" so i'll post an actual opinion:
I really appreciate that Thanks a lot!
On June 03 2009 21:42 Tropics wrote: If you start zoomed out then focus on key areas of the map (main, expansions) it's a lot easier to get your bearing and works much better as an introduction to people who might not know the map.
I like that idea. I might make 2 versions of each map. One quick one just to show off like the OGN ones. And another slower one detailing each corner of the map.
On June 03 2009 21:43 Scorch wrote: As I said in the first thread already, I'd reduce the height difference between high and low ground. Ramps are very very steep this way, especially the wide ramps on Colosseum look awkward.
Wide ramps in colosseum you mean the ones that give access to the third? The other ones look ok?
I tried lowering the terrain height, but it didn't really helped the ramps on Destination too much. And the ones in Colosseum seemed good regardless of the height. So I guess it just that the ramp texture looks bad in 3d since it wasn't meant to be used like that. I'm not sure what else to do to make those ramps in the jungle tileset look less steep. I'll try to think of something.
On June 03 2009 21:04 VIB wrote: I would also like to make the current Kespa maps that aren't in ICCup yet: holy world, shades of twilight. If anyone know how I could get high quality pics of those maps (better than tlpd and mapdori). I would appreciate it.
If you have the map or a replay on the maps in question, you can create a pretty detailed picture of the map using RepXplorer. That should be able to get you what you need.
Oh nice, I didn't even remembered that thing existed. I'll look up if I can find some replays. Thanks a lot.
Yeah I think been thinking about this for a while at work, I concept is awesome, my only real criticism is the camera shots, I think what would be best would be one 360 degree rotation around the map, since especially the one on python really only highlights cross positions, which would allow people to get a good glimpse of the entire map, and when the rotation is done, you could do like a swoop shoot, say from the bottom left of the map to the top right and ending with a fade to black which could transition well into a game or anything that people want to use it for.
On the music, personal taste aside, I think it ends too abruptly at the end of each video, but I love to see these get used for the next liquibition for example, because even right now these renders reek professionalism.
and one more thing, I also think the ramps on Colosseum 2 from the main to the natural look a bit too steep.
Any feedback on the background? I did that myself from scratch. Does it look like a realistic fire at all? Does it fit the rest of the video? Would it be better if it was something more starcraftish (like... stars...)
On June 04 2009 02:31 Kerotan wrote: 360 degree rotation around the map, since especially the one on python really only highlights cross positions, which would allow people to get a good glimpse of the entire map, and when the rotation is done, you could do like a swoop shoot, say from the bottom left of the map to the top right and ending with a fade to black which could transition well into a game or anything that people want to use it for
EPT
