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An Antimatter bomb and Earth, a hypothetical Q

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 08:32:00
May 06 2009 08:26 GMT
#1
Was watching the NGC this morning and the program that was showing was talking about how Earth could be destroyed such as a black hole, the Sun etc. Well one way was an antimatter bomb. Now obviously it would be extremely difficult seeing how the antimatter would have to be transported via a vacuum of some sort and it could not touch anything, even air. The bomb would have to be immense size around the range of 2 and a half tons. Now let's say the bomb was around 1 ton the Earth would blow up but then gravity would pull everything back onto itself.

The Earth would basically look like it did 4 billion years ago.

Now here is my question. Would history repeat itself? Would the Earth somehow heal, and literally be rebuilt by going through differentiation and so forth with an albeit different outcome concerning species (IF ANY), and landmass etc. Being in the just right area of the solar system would an atmosphere form again, oceans form much later through collisions?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Earth

Would it be possible for this to happen I wonder.

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Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
May 06 2009 08:31 GMT
#2
Yes with infinitely small probability.
No I'm never serious.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 06 2009 08:40 GMT
#3
Maybe instead of humans rampaging all over the earth, spreading AIDS and killing Mother Nature, it'll be some mutated vegetarian land piranhas.

On a serious note, yes, due to the 'right' distance of Earth from the Sun.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 08:42:58
May 06 2009 08:41 GMT
#4
Just thought of several drawbacks that the Earth would be doomed and never finish it's "healing" cycle. The solar system was a lot different 4 billion years ago and maybe comets etc. That were around at that time are more scarce now that before thus no oceans etc.

Also:
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Assuming that resources in the solar system are much more scarce I would assume that it would take longer than 4 billion years. Either way the Sun would be a lot different and maybe the Earth more so. The right area would be null and void if it took longer than 4-5 billion years.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
May 06 2009 09:35 GMT
#5
*waiting for micronesia to post valid anti-antimatter discussion"
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
May 06 2009 10:08 GMT
#6
For history to repeat itself, the Earth would have to collapse back into itself in the exact same arrangement it did way back when...so the probability is infinitesimally small.

Life very well may start up again, but it will most very likely be vastly different from how things have developed now.

In addition...the path that life took was heavily influenced by the five major mass die-outs. For instance, the era ruled by dinosaurs is speculated to have been brought on at least in large part by a large meteor striking the earth...things like that would also have to be taken into consideration.
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Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
May 06 2009 10:20 GMT
#7
most emo post ever.
but yeah i agree, the earth would rebuild itself, and reform, thus creating zerg.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
May 06 2009 10:54 GMT
#8
On May 06 2009 19:20 Vex wrote:
most emo post ever.
but yeah i agree, the earth would rebuild itself, and reform, thus creating zerg.

Where's the Xel'Naga?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66364 Posts
May 06 2009 11:07 GMT
#9
On May 06 2009 19:54 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 19:20 Vex wrote:
most emo post ever.
but yeah i agree, the earth would rebuild itself, and reform, thus creating zerg.

Where's the Xel'Naga?

They're lol-ing from Pluto
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Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
May 06 2009 11:12 GMT
#10
the only way I'll care is if I'm reincarnated, and at the rate I'm living my life i'll probably become a worm or a dung beetle, so i doubt it even then =(
Vex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Ireland454 Posts
May 06 2009 11:30 GMT
#11
On May 06 2009 19:54 Archaic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 19:20 Vex wrote:
most emo post ever.
but yeah i agree, the earth would rebuild itself, and reform, thus creating zerg.

Where's the Xel'Naga?


germany.
"Bonjwa" is the most retarded word ever. Wtf does it even sound like.
Meretricious
Profile Joined April 2009
Canada161 Posts
May 06 2009 13:42 GMT
#12
Maybe we'll reincarnate as dragoons. Now THAT would be cool.
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 13:50:06
May 06 2009 13:49 GMT
#13
On May 06 2009 22:42 Meretricious wrote:
Maybe we'll reincarnate as dragoons. Now THAT would be cool.


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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11567 Posts
May 06 2009 15:12 GMT
#14
shit I don't want to be a dirty protoss. I make a goddamn living out of killing those bastards.
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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
May 06 2009 16:32 GMT
#15
Would history repeat itself? Would the Earth somehow heal, and literally be rebuilt by going through differentiation and so forth with an albeit different outcome concerning species (IF ANY), and landmass etc.
No. The amount of degassing and radioactive depletion we've had in our planet has substantially changed the chemical composition of our planet, and the outcomes it would have if it restarted today. We're also lacking in solar system conditions which would give rise to the carbonaceous chondrite bombardment, which means we would have far less water.

Also, stealth is 100% right that our sun would be in a different state than when we formed. The solar systems' 'water belt' has substantially moved, and its quite possible that without the action of a functioning magnetosphere (which we wouldn't have until accretion is nearly complete) that the increased heat from the sun would basically ionize and strip away any atmosphere we had left. Some additional atmosphere would be produced by de-gassing, but without water its far more likely that we pull a venus because of a lack of tectonic carbon regulation.
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KaasZerg
Profile Joined November 2005
Netherlands927 Posts
May 06 2009 17:06 GMT
#16
3 things are different in this Earth mark 2. Heat. The earth is cooling down for billions of years. Will the resulting heat be enough to power tectonic shifts and vulcanism like it did billions of years ago.
The moons used to be in a much lower orbit billions of years ago with stonger tidal pull on the geology, atmosphere and seas. The Earth has been bombarded by comets asteroids and spacedust more violently then it is now. Most of this material has been absorbed by the planets and the sun, catapulted out of the solar system or in orbit where it is very unlikely to hit anything.

The composition of earth mark 2 will be the same but the distribution of the elements might be very different. What the result of all this will be I don't know. Maybe a smaller Earth with 2 moons or a Saturnlike ring.

There was an Earth mark-0 proto-earth that got smashed by a small planet in excentric orbit. This shaped the earth and the moon. The excact geological footprint of earth has been found on the moon. The moon is comprised of mainly the impactobject. Earth mostly out of the Proto earth.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
May 06 2009 17:34 GMT
#17
On May 07 2009 01:32 L wrote:
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Would history repeat itself? Would the Earth somehow heal, and literally be rebuilt by going through differentiation and so forth with an albeit different outcome concerning species (IF ANY), and landmass etc.
No. The amount of degassing and radioactive depletion we've had in our planet has substantially changed the chemical composition of our planet, and the outcomes it would have if it restarted today. We're also lacking in solar system conditions which would give rise to the carbonaceous chondrite bombardment, which means we would have far less water.

Also, stealth is 100% right that our sun would be in a different state than when we formed. The solar systems' 'water belt' has substantially moved, and its quite possible that without the action of a functioning magnetosphere (which we wouldn't have until accretion is nearly complete) that the increased heat from the sun would basically ionize and strip away any atmosphere we had left. Some additional atmosphere would be produced by de-gassing, but without water its far more likely that we pull a venus because of a lack of tectonic carbon regulation.


That's pretty much what I figured with much more scientific reasoning. Thanks. What happens when a sun supernovas? Does it destroy nearby planets and shit?
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hymn
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Bulgaria832 Posts
May 06 2009 18:34 GMT
#18
On May 07 2009 02:34 MiniRoman wrote:
What happens when a sun supernovas? Does it destroy nearby planets and shit?

Yup. The supernova star expands in diameter and burns everything which is close. I have no idea what close means for a star but I guess it is billions of kilometers.
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R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
May 06 2009 19:29 GMT
#19
On May 06 2009 17:31 Nytefish wrote:
Yes with infinitely small probability.

yes just like how my cellphone has a possibility of jumping off my desk... cept it's just really really really small

to ans OP not it's not possible

cus in taht short amount of time earth's center of gravity and gravitational pull would be fuked up and u r then disturbing a very delicate thing... so earth would essentially become like any other inhabitable planets (probably)
ggyo...
Hasanuddin
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1 Post
June 07 2009 12:26 GMT
#20
Does history have to repeat itself? Are we so special that we need to be recreated?

Another question is "Is repeating itself right now?" Under many theories, the Big Bang was just one in an infinite continuum of such events. Though the next one won't happen for billions of years, the question is are we unique and special in any sort of way? In that sense, like snowflakes, however ephemeral will are unique and if we were to be reconstituted we will not appear as the same individual ever again.
In comparison to the Universe we are all much more puny and more short-lived than microbes
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
June 07 2009 12:44 GMT
#21
On May 07 2009 04:29 R3condite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 17:31 Nytefish wrote:
Yes with infinitely small probability.

yes just like how my cellphone has a possibility of jumping off my desk... cept it's just really really really small

to ans OP not it's not possible

cus in taht short amount of time earth's center of gravity and gravitational pull would be fuked up and u r then disturbing a very delicate thing... so earth would essentially become like any other inhabitable planets (probably)


Well I just thought it was more interesting than "no".
No I'm never serious.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
November 17 2010 19:26 GMT
#22
IT BEGINS!

Antimatter held for questioning
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Magnetically trapped atoms could test fundamental physics.

For physicists, a bit of antimatter is a precious gift indeed. By comparing matter to its counterpart, they can test fundamental symmetries that lie at the heart of the standard model of particle physics, and look for hints of new physics beyond. Yet few gifts are as tricky to wrap. Bring a particle of antimatter into contact with its matter counterpart and the two annihilate in a flash of energy.
The electrodes (gold) of the trap used to combine positrons and antiprotons to form antihydrogen.The electrodes (gold) of the trap used to combine positrons and antiprotons to form antihydrogen.N. MADSEN, ALPHA/SWANSEA

Now a research collaboration at CERN, Europe's particle-physics lab near Geneva, Switzerland, has managed, 38 times, to confine single antihydrogen atoms in a magnetic trap for more than 170 milliseconds. The group reported the result in Nature online on 17 November1. "We're ecstatic. This is five years of hard work," says Jeffrey Hangst, spokesman for the ALPHA collaboration at CERN.

An antihydrogen atom is made from a negatively charged antiproton and a positively charged positron, the antimatter counterpart of the electron. The objective — both for ALPHA and for a competing CERN experiment called ATRAP — is to compare the energy levels in antihydrogen with those of hydrogen, to confirm that antimatter particles experience the same electromagnetic forces as matter particles, a key premise of the standard model. "The goal is to study antihydrogen and you can't do it without trapping it," says Cliff Surko, an antimatter researcher at the University of California, San Diego. "This is really a big deal."

The ALPHA claim is the first major advance since the creation of thousands of antihydrogen atoms in 2002 by a forerunner experiment called ATHENA2 and by ATRAP3 (see 'A brief history of antimatter'). Both experiments combined decelerated antiprotons with positrons at CERN to produce antihydrogen atoms. But, within several milliseconds, the atoms annihilated with the ordinary matter in the walls of their containers.

To prevent that from happening, the ALPHA team formed antihydrogen atoms in a magnetic trap. Although not electrically charged like antiprotons and positrons, antihydrogen — like hydrogen — has a more subtle magnetic character that arises from the spins of its constituent particles. The ALPHA researchers used an octupole magnet, produced by the current flowing in eight wires, to create a magnetic field that was strongest near the walls of the trap, falling to a minimum at the centre, causing the atoms to collect there. To trap just 38 atoms, the group had to run the experiment 335 times. "This was ten thousand times more difficult" than creating untrapped antihydrogen atoms, says Hangst — ATHENA made an estimated 50,000 of them in one go in 2002. To do spectroscopic measurements, Surko estimates that up to 100 antihydrogen atoms may need to be trapped at once.

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ATRAP still hopes to reach that goal first. In a paper due out in Physical Review Letters, the collaboration reports that it has efficiently separated antiprotons from the cold electrons that are used to cool them down, a step towards creating slower-moving antihydrogen atoms that might stay trapped for longer. "Rather than trying to demonstrate that we can confine 38 antihydrogen atoms for a small fraction of a second, we are working on new methods to produce and trap much larger numbers of colder atoms," says Gerald Gabrielse, ATRAP's spokesman. "We shall see which approach is more fruitful."

Two other collaborations aim to study antihydrogen. In 2003, the international ASACUSA experiment at CERN proposed a scheme to create a beam of antihydrogen atoms4. Yasunori Yamazaki, an atomic physicist at the Advanced Science Institute in Saitama, part of Japan's RIKEN network of research labs, now says the group has produced such a beam and may be able to use it to study the energy levels in antihydrogen without needing to trap the atoms. Another CERN experiment called AEgIS is starting to compare the effect of gravity on antihydrogen with that on ordinary hydrogen. Antimatter is almost certain to fall at the same rate as normal matter, but if it doesn't the results could help scientists to distinguish between alternative approaches to unifying quantum theory with general relativity.


Didn't know if this deserves its own thread, so I put it in the only thread about antimatter I could find. Interesting though.
frogmelter
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States971 Posts
November 17 2010 20:03 GMT
#23
Possible? Yes

Unlikely? Very very unlikely that the landmasses would stay the same or the species would stay the same.

I would say the possibility is low enough that it won't happen.
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