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On April 21 2009 18:51 Vex wrote:
Ahh everyone ignores the OP, reads 2 lines and goes I THINK I KNOW WHAT THIS IS ABOUT, then writes a completely retarded and un-related post about it.
Thats kinda sad fellas. and by ignores the op, i said in that post everyone i came up against until C did the exact same thing. no one commented on that, at all. No one, infact that loki guy said the complete opposite, as if i didnt even write that in the blog.
Rofl. seriously Rofl.
Because its NOT TRUE.
Every game opened FE =/= every player did the same thing.
Every player tried opening sair/Reaver =/= every player did the same thing.
They're OPENINGS. They're hardly supposed to constitute the strategy for the entire game, and there's nothing wrong with them being formulaic, because other long-lasting strategic games like Chess and Go have had the opening pretty exhaustively explored too. Telling a D level Protoss player that he shouldn't fast expand is like telling a beginner at Go that he shouldn't open by playing around the corners (sorry for the Go analogy, but I'm more familiar with it than Chess). If you beat them before they have a chance to move into something else, its because they're D players, and don't have skills yet to keep up into the midgame, but does that mean they're wrong for practicing an opening they're weak with?
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I play terran at D+ and I want to get to C before sc2 comes out. Basically the reason why I picked up T as a race is because I loved the cute style of play, when me and my friends first started playing I was always kicking their asses because I had good cute moves.
Then when I started on iccup I realized how horrible my macro was. P and Z have this game so freaking easy in that they can make so many mistakes and come back from it, they can afford to add styles to their build and a lot do. But for lil old me I feel like im baby sitting my units so much in tvz to stop them from getting reduced to a bloody pulp in 3 seconds by a few lurkers and baby sitting my factories so much and trying to get the right timing down so I have enough units for a push before P gets too powerfull that in the end I just don't have enough time for style.
This however is why I like playing Bo3-5's/training games with people from TL.net, because after you find a guy with a similar or slightly better skill level you can have confidence in your macro and outthink, outstyle your opponent.
If your getting bored of playing the same thing, my suggestion is to stop playing regular rated games and start asking people for Bo5s. By the 5th game you will be playing so different its a lot of fun.
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On April 21 2009 23:50 extracheez wrote:
I play terran at D+ and I want to get to C before sc2 comes out. Basically the reason why I picked up T as a race is because I loved the cute style of play, when me and my friends first started playing I was always kicking their asses because I had good cute moves.
Then when I started on iccup I realized how horrible my macro was. P and Z have this game so freaking easy in that they can make so many mistakes and come back from it, they can afford to add styles to their build and a lot do. But for lil old me I feel like im baby sitting my units so much in tvz to stop them from getting reduced to a bloody pulp in 3 seconds by a few lurkers and baby sitting my factories so much and trying to get the right timing down so I have enough units for a push before P gets too powerfull that in the end I just don't have enough time for style.
This however is why I like playing Bo3-5's/training games with people from TL.net, because after you find a guy with a similar or slightly better skill level you can have confidence in your macro and outthink, outstyle your opponent.
If your getting bored of playing the same thing, my suggestion is to stop playing regular rated games and start asking people for Bo5s. By the 5th game you will be playing so different its a lot of fun.
at last, a non-retarded answer
thanks, thats a great idea. il inhouse more. public less.
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Mm, yah, the game is 11 years old, and most ideas are on the verge of being perfected. There is little room for creativity which is left for the most skilled players who can pull out different and absurd moves.
There are a lot of people in iccup who are practicing, and perfecting their mechanics through repetition. Of course, you can expect them to copy what they have seem a million times. If the pro gamers used a BO on a map, it most be a good idea, since it is in their best interest to win, and it is their area of excellence.
However, dont these repetitions benefit the innovators? Dont they give you opportunities to explore time window frames for a never before seem offensive?
I dont know how you feel, but as for me I find terribly fun to be the innovator myself. I love re-watching replays, looking for cue point where I could have an opportunity for a lurker drop, dt drop, nuke rush, lockdown, cloaked wraiths or whatever might work.
Could you however, elaborate a bit more on what kind of strategy are you are hoping from your opponents when you play?
Cuz perhaps, yes, the game got old and became boring, with that we cant help. Take some time away. 
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You should use firefox for the auto spellchecker: monotonous*
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On April 21 2009 18:51 Vex wrote:Ignorance is bliss i suppose.
Oh the irony.
Make your own builds! You know exactly what's coming (sair reaver), so you should be able to tailor your build to be a complete counter to it. (Hey I'm playing a Protoss I will go and Sauron zerg and power nothing but drones midgame because I know he will sair reaver without even having to scout!) Not only that, but mix things up yourself! Be your own catalyst for change! One base tech, two gate pressure, 2 gate builds, even two base scouts, are all still very viable on the C level of Starcraft downwards. Whether they play the same or not, you can still have fun with mixing up your own builds to always create a different game each time.
As for people misreading your point, maybe it's because you haven't been able to convey it coherently, and can't explain it without calling people retarded every other sentence.
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On April 22 2009 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
You should use firefox for the auto spellchecker: monotonous*
Foolish kid, some spellings are different in america.
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United States47024 Posts
On April 24 2009 19:02 Vex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2009 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
You should use firefox for the auto spellchecker: monotonous* Foolish kid, some spellings are different in america.
Actually, the Oxford English Dictionary has no entry for "menotenous". Its wrong no matter where you are.
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On April 24 2009 19:02 Vex wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2009 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
You should use firefox for the auto spellchecker: monotonous* Foolish kid, some spellings are different in america.
For example not capitalizing country names?
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Yes, there are some different spellings between English speaking countries like the UK, USA, and Canada, but there is nowhere in the fucking world where the word is spelled "menotenous".
Infact, the misspelling of "monotonous" in the form of "menotenous" is apparently so rare due to its incredible stupidity that when I googled "menotenous" into google, the first result was this thread. There was also only 422 results for this word compared to about 4,180,000 results for the correct spelling.
For fuck's sake.
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United States47024 Posts
On April 25 2009 08:23 koreasilver wrote:
Infact, the misspelling of "monotonous" in the form of "menotenous" is apparently so rare due to its incredible stupidity that when I googled "menotenous" into google, the first result was this thread. There was also only 422 results for this word compared to about 4,180,000 results for the correct spelling.
Amusingly, all but 1 of the results on the first page were forums (with the remaining one being a social networking site).
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Wow, you guys are so biased.
The OP is partially right, every match up, on all promaps have been studied to death, and most people (on ICCUP especially, around C level in particular I'd think) simply mimic the pros; which invertible results in a lot of repetition.
I just play on BNet when I get bored, I go scout rush against Terrans lol
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On April 25 2009 12:46 Cambium wrote:
Wow, you guys are so biased.
The OP is partially right, every match up, on all promaps have been studied to death, and most people (on ICCUP especially, around C level in particular I'd think) simply mimic the pros; which invertible results in a lot of repetition.
I just play on BNet when I get bored, I go scout rush against Terrans lol
He has a point, but his REASONS for that opinion are all wrong.
"All Protosses go FE" is not a reason to think the game is stagnant. FE has noticeable advantages over one-base play (though many don't play out at low levels) that justify its use beyond "copying progamers".
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Not to mention that after forge FE, there are a lot of different variations you can do.
The guy just doesn't understand the game.
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This actually inspired me into trying a Nal_rA build with fake FE.
Do you recall when Nal_rA used to go 8 Pylon, 9 gas, 11 forge, something like that? Then get quick +1 and zealots/Archon
He used to build a packed base, though, what if we tried that at the expansion position?
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i have a hard time believing this kid has reached C with zerg
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I play 2v2v2v2 BGH on USEast when I get tired of the stress and monotony of iccup.
Loads of fun to just blow off steam 
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On April 22 2009 08:59 CharlieMurphy wrote:
You should use firefox for the auto spellchecker: monotonous*
who needs to check spelling when we have you?
On April 26 2009 08:33 Diomedes wrote:
Chess.
Best post ever.
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