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Ahh, im beginning to dislike a game ive been playing for years. the reason being, every game is just like another one you seen before. always the same shit. everyone sticking to their build orders like their religion. always ohh he's doing this i need to do this, as its been done before and works.
the fuck?
why are the koreans the only ones who make up their own bo's and strategies. why is it every game has been done before, and things either work, or dont work, based on strategy thats been discussed, used, re-used and either used by fucking everyone, or by no one.
every toss ive come up against till C rank, was ... wait for it... FAST EXPO.
every one of em.
fast expo
sair
reaver
edit: Reaver or dt/storm
WOW?
And yes, i know that theres still ALOT of people who DONT do this, but im' just saying, the majority of people have become robots, consumed by their bo's.
christ everyone so much fun, seriously. gonna play 30 games the exact same way? sit there for 10 mins after doing it thinking.. hmm what should i do now? what did bisu do?
honestly, some top korean will do something new, and when other see it, everyones doing it. over and over, thinking' if this works on jaedong!! it will work on anyone!!! :OI :O wow wow -.-;
what happened to people doing what they felt was right, from the get go. what happened to people having funnnnnnnnnnnn.
annoying.
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wait you claim EVERY opponent til C went rvr/sair ? :D:D:D
i doubt that^^
There are common BO's ofc, because they are the best of all and that was proven over years.
the real skill is to adapt the basic BO to the current game to get an advantage,
you don't do always EXACTLY the same.
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dude people below C cant even pull off a proper sair/reaver...
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Not the point im' making.
and yes i can safely say there was just 1!.
ONE guy who didnt FE. 1 guy around D+ that went 2gate.
edit: but yeah, i didnt JUST pvz. i play'd vs t as well. i'd say 60% was toss tho.
dude people below C cant even pull off a proper sair/reaver...
yeah but they still attempt it.
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the best way to improve is to do the same thing over and over again
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i hardly ever ever ever see the same game twice
perhaps you're just not focusing on the subtleties
i mean many inexperienced players say "the players do the same thing ever game. terrans make factory units vs P and MnM vs Z. it never changes."
however, there's obviously HUGE variations in what the players are doing all throughout the game. just look harder 
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I think you should quit sc, and go play WoW.
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Take week or so break from starcraft, the hunger to massgame will return.
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On April 20 2009 18:33 Vex wrote:
the fuck?
why are the koreans the only ones who make up their own bo's and strategies. why is it every game has been done before, and things either work, or dont work, based on strategy thats been discussed, used, re-used and either used by fucking everyone, or by no one.
every toss ive come up against till C rank, was ... wait for it... FAST EXPO.
You also forgot that they (Koreans) get paid to play.
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I have tried so many different build orders against zerg and have settled with fe as it gives me the best results. Are you suggesting I should use an inferior bo just so you dont get bored? sure I mix in the odd 1gate tech or 2gate, but I find against good zergs those builds dont work as well so I save them for when I play a weak player so I can just screw around with a one base reaver build or something like that.
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no matter how important having fun in sc is, winning is a huge part of it so why risk doing something nonstandard and lose to someone a lot worse than me
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I completely disagree with the OP. I'm actually amazed how I can play 10 games doing the same build but have 10 completely different outcomes (not just win or lose, but the way the game plays out, the way harassement goes, and how smoothly one can expand and/or transition into higher tech. There's always so much stuff going on. I love that part of SC.
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Every P iv played pvt, does fast dt in some form, every z iv played does 6 pool
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On April 20 2009 20:16 rel wrote:
Every P iv played pvt, does fast dt in some form, every z iv played does 6 pool
every toss i play tvp on destination manner pylons me -_-
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menotenous
lol
But seriously, I do stupid build orders all the time, usually to mix things up, but ocassionally because I screwed up a common one. And I lose 90% of the time. If somone is below C level, it's very beneficial to them to stick to what they know. We don't have the mechanics or game sense to pull off something fancy most of the time.
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On April 20 2009 22:09 3clipse wrote:
But seriously, I do stupid build orders all the time, usually to mix things up, but ocassionally because I screwed up a common one. And I lose 90% of the time. If somone is below C level, it's very beneficial to them to stick to what they know. We don't have the mechanics or game sense to pull off something fancy most of the time.
Not to mention that most players till a fairly high levels don't understand enough of the subtle nuances that go into making a build to actually make a good one.
There are a thousand little things that go into squeezing every last mineral and perfecting all the miniscule timings of a progamer's build. To imply that some D+/C- ICCupper might be better off making up their own shit rather than using something that's been tested and retested among the best is extremely pretentious, especially since most low-level players can't even get progamer build timings right.
FE is standard PvZ now. Why? Because 1-base play is too handicapped on midgame options to be viable anymore. If you can't see that, then you obviously don't understand the game well enough.
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Wow, christ all mighty.
Your all missing the point, how is that possible. hasnt anyone here noticed that what im saying is an 11 year old game has very little origonality left? everyones doing whats strongest vs the other race, even tho theres no fun to it, just 9 mins of waiting?
fuck that.
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that doesnt make you want to be creative and try to find something that can crack these robot-like players? anything out of the ordinary and they'll be confused!
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The opening has little to do with the overall pace of the game.
If you think its boring, why don't you alter your own style enough to make each game unique?
The thing is that build orders aren't the end of variety. When you attack with how many of which kind of unit and how you micro them means that each game will go completely and totally differently. I've never seen a game of Starcraft play the same way twice - same build order or not.
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