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PH
United States6173 Posts
I have a Creative X-fi sound card and an old but decent 4.1 Altec Lansing speaker system...and I noticed virtually NO difference between mp3 and flac versions of the same song. There is a SLIGHT difference...the sound does seem a bit more full and rich at times, but it's not worth the gi-fucking-normous file sizes. Does anyone else share this feeling, or was it possibly my software (I was using VLC of all things...-___- )?  | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
IMO flac is something pushed around by audiophiles for their more specialised systems. | ||
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crabsman
United States13 Posts
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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zgl
United States1055 Posts
1. Use properly configured foobar or winamp 2. Use a real source. There are some good USB DACs. For example: Stello DA100 or Benchmark DAC1 USB. 3a. Use a nice set of speakers + amplifier (either integrated or pre+power combo), i.e., not something designed for computers. 3b. Alternatively, use good headphones + amplifier. In a typical computer setup such as yours, FLAC won't make much difference since the music file won't be the bottleneck. | ||
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T.O.P.
Hong Kong4685 Posts
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Guilford
Australia290 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I have a decent set of headphones...nothing pro, so I'll try comparing them through there as well. zgl, can you explain what you mean by real source? What is a USB DAC? | ||
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sexsexpussyhair
Canada133 Posts
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GTR
51607 Posts
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crabsman
United States13 Posts
On April 18 2009 12:54 sexsexpussyhair wrote: i doubt there is noticeable difference, its like playing at 60fps and 100fps, can't be detected by human. You are very misinformed the human eye can sense the difference between 60 fps and 100 fps. Please stop spreading this rumor. http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
FLAC is a lossless it keeps all quality thus size at similar bitrates size is quite different i just use AAC myself encoding though a cmd line death weeks with neroAAC great size and a ton better quality then mp3 although i can't really tell unless im using my higher quality headphones | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On April 18 2009 13:04 crabsman wrote: You are very misinformed the human eye can sense the difference between 60 fps and 100 fps. Please stop spreading this rumor. http://www.100fps.com/how_many_frames_can_humans_see.htm =p but most monitors can't display over 60. | ||
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Chromyne
Canada561 Posts
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
AAC is much better in keeping quality When i rip music i do full lossless .wav and then transcode into AAC making a mp3 ish sized file but smaller with much high quality i don't have a rig to make use of a lossless files so i just do the best loosy fomart there is although you can do aac in lossless (it's file size is just a wedge smaller then flac) but i dont | ||
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mahnini
United States6862 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
btw guys...it's lossy vs lossless. Not loosy or lossly or whatever else... | ||
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Shivaz
Canada1783 Posts
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
if not, v0 all the way | ||
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FragKrag
United States11565 Posts
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DatTheMighty
Vietnam122 Posts
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omninmo
2349 Posts
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rwong48
United States105 Posts
On April 18 2009 12:54 sexsexpussyhair wrote:i doubt there is noticeable difference, its like playing at 60fps and 100fps, can't be detected by human. it so can. have you ever used a CRT with 60/75/85/100/120 Hz refresh rates? I can tell the difference between ALL of them. 100/120 Hz counterstrike FTW (which leads to 120 Hz starcraft, which might be what they use in PL/MSL/OSL?) as for mp3 vs flac, I'm an audiophile (not necessarily with all the gear though), and i tweak my sound heavily to have it sound exactly the way I want it.. and I still cannot tell the difference between a well-encoded 192+ kbps VBR/CBR MP3 and FLAC. i have various sets of Sennheiser headphones and earbuds. I use Winamp with DFX on an integrated sound card (lol) and Rockbox on my Sansa with bass/treble way high (+12-16 dB each). | ||
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FirstProbe
1206 Posts
On April 18 2009 14:18 rwong48 wrote: it so can. have you ever used a CRT with 60/75/85/100/120 Hz refresh rates? I can tell the difference between ALL of them. 100/120 Hz counterstrike FTW (which leads to 120 Hz starcraft, which might be what they use in PL/MSL/OSL?) as for mp3 vs flac, I'm an audiophile (not necessarily with all the gear though), and i tweak my sound heavily to have it sound exactly the way I want it.. and I still cannot tell the difference between a well-encoded 192+ kbps VBR/CBR MP3 and FLAC. i have various sets of Sennheiser headphones and earbuds. I use Winamp with DFX on an integrated sound card (lol) and Rockbox on my Sansa with bass/treble way high (+12-16 dB each). I think the reason why you won't be able to is because of your setup. | ||
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Knickknack
United States1187 Posts
lke others said it comes down to your hardware and what your listening abilities are, as to whether the quality of encoding will matter. foobar supports abx testing so you can see what what your limit is. I keep stuff mostly V0 (~256kpbs variable) and i can only very rarely hear a difference between that and lossless with my equation rp21s. The real reason to keep in lossless is so you can rerip into whatever you want at any time. | ||
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
My cowon d2 supports both flac and ogg, but in a portable setup flac isn't really worth it: hp out is not that great, noisy listening environment, etc. etc. What flac is useful for is archival purposes. You rip a cd to flac you don't have to worry about reencoding issues in the future, when you upgrade your system. It's gonna be identical quality to the original cd. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On April 18 2009 14:12 omninmo wrote: FLAC is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much better quality. anyone who says otherwise doesnt have the ear to appreciate it. test for yourself. flacs are much larger files however.. but the difference is noticeable to anyone with a good ear. I'm sure it is...but like everyone else has said...without the hardware to make use of that, you won't be able to tell the difference. My hardware is bottlenecking it, and I don't have the money, nor a good reason to go out and purchase a sound system that can make use of flac. So... | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On April 18 2009 13:37 benjammin wrote: lossless is great for certain applications, just make sure you have one of those applications (also FLAC is the best lossless format out there, despite some having fractionally better compression ratios) if not, v0 all the way Lol its lossless as long as it plays in terms of quality it's all the same. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
On April 18 2009 14:22 FirstProbe wrote: I think the reason why you won't be able to is because of your setup. Lol 120hz sc you do know sc doesn't acutlly display any frames over 23.793? or something like that. | ||
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benjammin
United States2728 Posts
On April 18 2009 15:27 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol its lossless as long as it plays in terms of quality it's all the same. uh, what? | ||
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
But seriously, for lossy codecs, AAC or even Vorbis is better than MP3. It's kind of like comparing jpg to png. Both viewed at resolution, you probably won't notice the difference, but if you magnify them, the differences can be rather striking. | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21550 Posts
On April 18 2009 15:27 IzzyCraft wrote: Lol its lossless as long as it plays in terms of quality it's all the same. I guess he means FLAC is widely supported and requires minimal CPU usage for playback. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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vAltyR
United States581 Posts
On April 18 2009 16:14 IzzyCraft wrote: jpg would be loosy and png would be lossless in that. Yeah, like MP3 is lossy and FLAC is lossless. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
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kartoffel
Germany38 Posts
i suggest encoding at least classical music with flac or if you want to build a digital archiv of all your music cd's flac would be better. i encode all cd's in flac btw. | ||
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PriitM
Algeria181 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
I've DL'd many (more than a couple dozen) albums in flac format, and they come all in one big .flac file and some kind of .cue file. I can play the flac file just fine in VLC and whatnot, but it's all the tracks of the album packed together. What am I supposed to do with that? | ||
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xxsaznpride
United States506 Posts
128 v 256/320k mp3 = obvious difference 320k v Lossless = not so much. The only difference I can think of is in the upper spectrum of sound. If you're older, there's a chance you won't be able to hear it in the first place. Even if you CAN hear, you're going to need balls-to-the-walls expensive sound devices (nice sound card, dedicated amp, ~$200+ headphones, etc) to appreciate it. I'm going to a headphone store tomorrow to buy my first nice headphones, hopefully =D | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
320kbps or v0 for me please | ||
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xmShake
United States1100 Posts
On April 18 2009 17:31 PH wrote: One question though...how do you split songs in flac or whatever? I've DL'd many (more than a couple dozen) albums in flac format, and they come all in one big .flac file and some kind of .cue file. I can play the flac file just fine in VLC and whatnot, but it's all the tracks of the album packed together. What am I supposed to do with that? You need a cue splitter (I use medieval) http://www.medieval.it/content/view/28/70/ | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
You either don't have the proper hardware/software to tell the difference can't even tell anyways don't listen to the kinds of music where it will even matter don't have the drive space to store the x3 size files don't have the software to convert/rip/burn/play/trade these files types | ||
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