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My question is simply: would there be any interest from bw players if someone were to make a cashgame thread or site? i always wondered why koreans were able to have a dotori game channel(for example players would spam for a 1v1 game for money or there would be a teambattle match, like a 3v3 match between two teams etc.) on west while we never saw anything of the sort in the foreign community
My initial idea was something like this, make a thread somewhere(obviously it would preferabe to have it on a place like tl where everything can be moderated very strickly but i would never involve them without getting their approval - anyways this would be the second phase of the planning.. for now all i want to see is if theres any interest)with a few players as the supervisors,
We would start off with allowing only the more trustworthy players of the community to setup their games, every game which would be setup via posts on the thread would be updated on the OP post and next to the match we would have something like CLEARED PAYMENT for example, from there we would establish a trust list and would allow for a more public game spamming system, for example someone would post on the thread 1v1 BO5 30$ series(now here you can obviously play with odds, if its a higher skilled player who is making this post he can say for example i will give you odds on your money if you are a lower skilled player etc. in order to attract a larger range of players), now if someone who wouldnt be on the trust list who however is still fairly known to community and would want to participate in this match then that person then you would setup like a payment after every game played system, for example after his first loss he would have to pay his opponent 10$ right away and vice versa or if the poster is really picky he could say you have to give me 50% payment before the game even starts and then at the end of the match if you win the down payment will be paid back to you with the money youve won and if youve loss then you have to pay the remaining 50% of the money, if the payment is met after the game then that person would start to accumulate history and would be more of a trustworthy opponent to play against(basicly its like the same system as like ebay - approval ratings, but we would setup the lists ourselves), if the person doesnt pay after his first loss or whatever then after the game on the match report you would post the complaint and that person would be completly banned from any future matchs, payment could be from pokerstars, paypal etc..obviously this would be left at the players discretion
edit: games could range from anything, 2v2 games, teambattle games, 1v1 games and even ums games, the money belongs to the players and they have the liberty to make any of their own decisions
feedback/opinions would be great
Poll: Interest? (honest answers please)
(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
 
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I'd do it. Sounds fun as fuck.
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the main thing that sucks about bw imo is that you have to maintain your shape by playing so much in order to play the odd 1 or 2 tourneys every every 4-5 months(if were even that lucky), theres not enough motivation
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not interested...just because i don't 1v1 anymore 
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Would only be used by certain individuals, but could be a fun thing to do with friends 
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ain't skilled enough for such gaming.
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Your transaction system could be made much easier and safe with a trusted escrow.
I certianly would never do this myself, but it's a cool idea for some of the very top foreigners.
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Lot of positive posts and lots of negative votes ????
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
i do it every day already =]
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On April 09 2009 05:18 Rekrul wrote:
i do it every day already =]
So that's how you make your living :O
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On April 09 2009 05:18 Rekrul wrote:
i do it every day already =]
all this needs is someone to start it off so the bw players could get involved, i wouldnt want to make extra work for you but you know who the best person to start this off would be, or at least the person whos in touch with the most people who could help with the setup
btw forgot about the blog, if you want to post start posting in the thread in the bw forum
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
it won't work for many many many many reasons
and i'm too lazy to list them
if you want to bet on games just get friends you trust and do it, don't need some silly site
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betgames with friends arnt as fun then as with strangers.. and it doesnt feel right vs a friend, if it works on west with op dtr why wouldnt it work for us? the only difference is your switching the channel part with a thread so you can control everything, also another option with the payment system is you could send the money to a reliable person before the game
theres nothing that is impossible, the only problem is people are too lazy to start something like this, if they werent someone would have done something in these past 11 years
it sucks that we dont have something like cyworld money t-t, it would been so easy
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I agree with Rekrul that it's easier and more commonly done with friends.
My suggestion if you really want to make this as big as it sounds, is to have a site where people need to pay money into it before playing and the payment is automated. That way you don't have to trust the person to pay up after losing because the website already has their money to pay out.
In fact, it would be best with a private server like iccup where all the games are automatically reported.
I think that a system like this only works on a small scale (friends) or a large scale website that people trust (poker).
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On April 09 2009 05:12 Reason wrote:Lot of positive posts and lots of negative votes ????
the poll was mostly made to see the # of yes's, the no's arnt really as important and their votes might be biased =[, still its fun to see the ratio
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its called progaming. This is a terrible idea because there is such a huge skill gap, and a LOT of people wouldnt pay.. It would be limited to a VERY select group of people, that would have to be very well known to avoid smurfing and if you lose just disappearing.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
hacking / smurfing / people refusing to pay claiming hack/smurf incorrectly etc etc etc will run rampant as brood war players are faggots, especially the ones that can't just trust eachother and need some site to keep it 'legit'
especially considering most broodwar players are broke and faggots would jump at this to try and make money and would never stop no matter how many times u ban them from the site
thats just one of the problems....
main problem: even if that wasn't a problem not enough people would play at decent enough stakes to make it even close to profitable for the website
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On April 09 2009 05:46 iamtt1 wrote:
betgames with friends arnt as fun then as with strangers
You kidding me? I don't want to bet with a stranger. I want to bet with my friend, exchange shit talking, and revel in my victory or cower in defeat!
If I play a stranger there is a high change I will be crushed outright and given no chance at victory at all because everyone playing for betgames is going to be a ridiculous pro.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On April 09 2009 06:48 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2009 05:46 iamtt1 wrote:
betgames with friends arnt as fun then as with strangers You kidding me? I don't want to bet with a stranger. I want to bet with my friend, exchange shit talking, and revel in my victory or cower in defeat! If I play a stranger there is a high change I will be crushed outright and given no chance at victory at all because everyone playing for betgames is going to be a ridiculous pro.
yeah for sure, obviously iamtt1 just wants to hustle some newbs
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1. i said the best option would be having a thread like on tl.net with supervisors, for example someone is looking for a game would post on the thread 1v1 game bo3 xx$ or 2v2 teambattle for xx$
2. obviously the random people who have just made an account on april the 7th and spam for games on april the 8th would be banned, thats the purpose of the thread.. to moderate the matchs, the players allowed to play at first would be trustworthy within the community(wed setup a trusted players list or something) after some time more and more players would be allowed to play, wed setup all the matchs on the OP thread, for example player 1 vs player 2 - match cleared and paid etc.,
3.the hack issue is the problem of the players, if your not sure of a player then just dont accept a match against that person, with iccup this most likely wouldnt even be a problem
4.the money thing is again a personal issue, someone might not have the same budget as you have so obviously if your posting to find a game he wouldnt reply to your post, theres going to be a wide range of $ games but we wouldnt setup like 50 cent games
and like i said on the other thread i say we here but if something like this were to happen im not saying that people would have to forcefully put their trust in me with the organisation process, the players could setup their own system with their own organisors to setup the thread and their own payment system
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
dude, no one is going to play random people for money, get a grip
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I'd do it for sure. It'd give me an incentive to try harder and actually play properly.
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On April 09 2009 04:19 Metal[x] wrote:not interested...just because i don't 1v1 anymore
Happy B-Day!
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On April 09 2009 06:58 Rekrul wrote:
dude, no one is going to play random people for money, get a grip
........... IMAGINE if the thread is up, i go on the thread and post 1v1 bo5 30$ msg do you seriously think i wouldnt get 1 reply? of course the person whos going to be posting this isnt going to accept a challenge from like bisu that would just be fucking stupid, youd be accepting challenges from players around your own skill level and if a weaker player wants to play then it would be that players own decision no? and even in situations like this ur usually not even going to be giving even money
and its not like theres going to be 100 people spamming for games, its going to be like a small group of players.. like what 10-20 trustworthy players who would be allowed to play at first to get things started
i seriously doubt that youve never been on op dtr on west, you make it sound like im saying that im trying to discover the cure for cancer or something.. koreans play strangers on west, whats the problem?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
"for money"
yeah people are just going to jump at the opportunity to play some guy they don't even know and don't even know his skill level ! hell yeah how could they resist putting their money up for that!!!!
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
weren't you like a maphacker or something anyways TT1? LOL
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dude like i said if someone doesnt have confidence he doesnt need to accept a game against me if im spamming and most of the games would be played on iccup anyways, its the players choice on who he wants to play against or not, and i dont know if youve been around the bw scene but ALL the players know around what skill level people are
anyways man your so fucking negative, all you try to do is just turn things around so you can start some sort of argument, you probably didnt even read my op post because it was too long for you and just looked at the poll and answered yes or no, everything youve said i spoke about on my first post
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
i'm not being negative, i'm not trying to start an argument, i'm just telling you it's a really bad and stupid idea and more bad will come from it than good.
perhaps you're too naive to understand this but you just CANT trust anyone online except close friends that u trust (in which case u wouldnt need a thread anyways)
try it and see what happens
suddenly you think you're playing someone but it's someone else on their ID and u won't want to pay
then what
i mean on a very small temporary scale the idea is fine....but long run or wide scale, very bad
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Who wants to bet money with an (ex?)-hacker anyway ?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
i know lmao
the fact that a hacker is the one promoting betting on broodwar for money, LOL are you fucking kidding me hahahahahaha
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LOL
poor TT1, rekrul totally ruined his 99 IQ plan ROFL
try it tho if u really really really really really really want it, but have to make some strict rule to pay the money.
For example, for Koreans, we do play bet-games with strangers, but only people who are in clan which can verify who the hell you are. So basically if u used [3.33] id for bet games, and didn't pay?? go to 3.33 channel and tell them fuck this kid yo. Then 3.33 will either kick this kid or give warning to him and make him pay the money else pay money themselves.
However, this system won't work well with foreigners
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You need an admin panel that isnt dumb as shit to be oversight on the operation. You need an escrow service to hold funds that the players paid to play. Trust is non-existent on the internet. The games probably wont be great either, nothing but cheesey bullshit to make a quick buck.
The best system that involved money and online broodwar was the TSL and in the old wgtour ladder days.
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99 iq is actually pretty high
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On April 09 2009 08:45 Rekrul wrote:
i know lmao
the fact that a hacker is the one promoting betting on broodwar for money, LOL are you fucking kidding me hahahahahaha
loool that makes it so much more funny
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On April 09 2009 10:06 iamtt1 wrote:
99 iq is actually pretty high
99 IQ is smack dab in the middle of 100% average
Can already see someone go on a streak, do well, get a lot of money, win bigger and bigger games, then lose the biggest bet game and just go AWOL
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
tt1 why did you stop posting when people started mentioning that you map hack?
plan foiled dude?
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lol
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...thread got raped.
It won't work very well. Especially $30 buck bet games when the majority of the people that play this game are broke college students or teenagers still living with moms/pops(foreigner community). You would have to start this system out with low balling .25 cent matches. Then maybe it might get somewhere if it blows up.
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