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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 16:47:58
April 08 2009 16:45 GMT
#1
So Recently i've been saving up some money 1-2k to build a decent-semi high end gaming rig. What for? For StarCraft 2 duh, and i guess any other games that come out soon. O and I guess that my current computer is dieing.

So to start off i'll i'm listing the basic components.

The case i am currently looking at is Here
Seems like a decent mid size case and has the power supply on the bottom.
$90
Mother board
Rampage II extreame X58 1366 ATX motherboard
I thought this was pricey, so looking for alternatives, since it seems the be very high end and I don't think i need this high end since i won't be overclocking to much.
400+
current $490


Graphics
NVIDIA Geforce GTX 280 OC 1024 mb GDDR3 PCIe 2.0 Graphic Card
I was thinking of getting 2x 512 (other brand idk though) but the guy was trying to convince me this was a better deal at $300
Current $790

Power Supply
HX 1000w 1000w Modular ATX eps 12v Power supply
The guys suggest a 1000w power supply. Not to familiar with how much power I will need. I'm sure its at least 750w+ though.
Price at $270
current 1060

Ram
3x 2gig DDR 3 CL9 DIMM memory (Corsair Memory
$100 total. This seemed like a good deal.
Current $1160

Processor
Intel Boxed Core i7 Processor 920
True quad at $230
Current $1390

Hard Drive
Caviar Black 1tb 7200 RPM serial ATA 300 Hard Drive
130 thought this was a good deal as well, But I don't need all that storage space. Is it possible to raid a single hard drive? if not I'd try to get a few 250 gb hard drives and raid that.

So basic total right now is looking at $1570* which is in my price range.

I think i'll need a new fan/heat sink to replace the stock. And i have not factored in the OS costs.

So I'll be updating as I buy parts and read comments on what im failing at. Any input/critisisum is greatly appreciated.

*edit forgot to put in the dvd/cd/blue ray drive what ever i get. I could use an old one of mine or pick up a cheap one at the store. So i'll just add 50 to the cost for now


Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 08 2009 16:47 GMT
#2
GTX 280 is OD. How big your monitor?
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 08 2009 16:49 GMT
#3
On April 09 2009 01:47 Disregard wrote:
GTX 280 is OD. How big your monitor?



Doing monitor looking latter O_o was thinking duel 22 inch monitors. As for the graphics and such I'm still in the researching stage of what i want to get. So explain to me how its odd? O_o?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Diomedes
Profile Joined March 2009
464 Posts
April 08 2009 16:52 GMT
#4
Buy cheaper stuff.
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11392 Posts
April 08 2009 16:53 GMT
#5
You should get a voice changer so you don't sound like a little girl.
Moderator。◕‿◕。
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 16:59:49
April 08 2009 16:55 GMT
#6
On April 09 2009 01:53 Harem wrote:
You should get a voice changer so you don't sound like a little girl.

And whats this have to do with computer parts?

On April 09 2009 01:52 Diomedes wrote:
Buy cheaper stuff.


Care to point out some cheaper stuff? I guess i could just mash all my old computers together to make some super computer. But i don't see how that would work
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
April 08 2009 17:03 GMT
#7
The motherboard is way overpriced, you definitely don't need a "gamer mobo." I suggest picking up a ~$100 mobo, just make sure it's compatible with your ram and cpu.

I would suggest a 750W PSU instead as they only run for ~$120 CDN. That's not to say a generic brand PSU but Corsair is that price.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 17:07:43
April 08 2009 17:05 GMT
#8
what he means is that nowadays hardware value / price is vastly different than even a few years ago.

buying mid / entry items is now a very good thing, as these items are very good quality and were top notch only 6 - 9 months ago.

Best advice : Buy a computer the day you buy SC2. Preferably, wait a week or two after the game release, so you actually have the perfect feedback if there are any hardware issues (thing which blizzard is accustomed to at every new release / early patches)

Basically, if when SC2 is released you build up a 600 - 700 $ comp, you'll have a very good machine ready to run it.

Only thing you should look after is a good screen.

ANything smaller than 24 is a huge waste of money.

Edit : Actually, if you plan on spending 1500 to 2000, spend 600-700 on computer and with 600 - 800 buy two nice sceens.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
April 08 2009 17:06 GMT
#9
On April 09 2009 02:05 Boonbag wrote:ANything smaller than 24 is a huge waste of money.

Why do you say that?
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 17:11:33
April 08 2009 17:09 GMT
#10
On April 09 2009 02:06 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 02:05 Boonbag wrote:ANything smaller than 24 is a huge waste of money.

Why do you say that?


Just like 19 and 20 and 21 are now almost discontinued, 22 will fade next year to absurd low prices and 24 will/is pretty much the standard now.


Edit : you can basically get 19 inches for like 50 euros now, while a mere 18 months ago they were about 150 minimum. The smaller it is, the shittier it looks and screens DO LAST LONG. It's the last peripheral you will change.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-08 17:40:30
April 08 2009 17:20 GMT
#11
I don't understand your argument of how 22" monitors will fade due to low prices. If something has been reduced to a good price, that means more people are likely to purchase them. As far as I know 24" isn't standard now and there are many more people running at 1680x1050 or lower resolutions. Even if a higher resolution was standard, it wouldn't make a difference because every program is backwards compatible down to low resolutions.

Buying a lower resolution but higher quality and cheaper monitor makes sense. A higher resolution will more demanding on your video card while gaming. It depends what he's going to be using his computer for but it sounds like he's going to be gaming.

Edit: Wording
Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
April 08 2009 17:23 GMT
#12
24" is getting popular, however 19" IMO is still the standard monitor size.
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
April 08 2009 18:22 GMT
#13
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Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
April 08 2009 18:32 GMT
#14
massive overkill for SC2
blabberrrrr
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 08 2009 18:40 GMT
#15
On April 09 2009 03:32 blabber wrote:
massive overkill for SC2


well yeah. but i do plan to play other games. + i have the money needed to invest in a more expensive machine
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 08 2009 18:44 GMT
#16
On April 09 2009 02:03 Durak wrote:
The motherboard is way overpriced, you definitely don't need a "gamer mobo." I suggest picking up a ~$100 mobo, just make sure it's compatible with your ram and cpu.

I would suggest a 750W PSU instead as they only run for ~$120 CDN. That's not to say a generic brand PSU but Corsair is that price.


PSU So based on my specs you believe a 750w PSU would adequately satisfy my systems needs?

Also Could you point me in the right direction for the mobo? brand ect?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3684 Posts
April 08 2009 18:59 GMT
#17
On April 09 2009 03:44 StorZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 02:03 Durak wrote:
The motherboard is way overpriced, you definitely don't need a "gamer mobo." I suggest picking up a ~$100 mobo, just make sure it's compatible with your ram and cpu.

I would suggest a 750W PSU instead as they only run for ~$120 CDN. That's not to say a generic brand PSU but Corsair is that price.


PSU So based on my specs you believe a 750w PSU would adequately satisfy my systems needs?

Also Could you point me in the right direction for the mobo? brand ect?


"A GeForce GTX 280 requires you to have a 550 Watt power supply unit at minimum if you use it in a high-end system. That power supply needs to have (in total accumulated) at least 40 Amps available on the 12 volts rails."

It's a pretty safe bet to have 700 or 750W PSU unless you're going to do SLI with the newest video cards. SLI is a waste of money anyway. I picked 750 arbitrarily because I just looked at ncix for current prices and that was the first one I saw. Make sure you get a good brand of PSU (Corsair, Zalman, OCZ) because it is really important to have stable power. Shitty PSUs can even damage your parts.

I'm not an expert on mobo brands but Asus is generally cheap and reliable. XFX, evga, or intel are all fine as well.

ShmotZ
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States581 Posts
April 08 2009 19:00 GMT
#18
[QUOTE]On April 09 2009 01:55 StorZerg wrote:
[QUOTE]On April 09 2009 01:53 Harem wrote:
You should get a voice changer so you don't sound like a little girl. [/QUOTE]

lol hi stor and harem , stor's voice dont sound THAT BAD lol
Ah, computer dating. It's like pimping, but you rarely have to use the phrase "upside your head." - Bender
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
April 08 2009 19:19 GMT
#19
EVGA nForce 790i Ultra SLI. Built a comp last summer and this mobo has been epic win.
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 08 2009 19:40 GMT
#20
I'm hijacking this thread.

What do you think of this computer I'm gonna build?

Processor: Intel E8500 dual core 3.19 ghz
ram: 4 gb
graphic card: geforce GTS 250

Lim Yo Hwan forever!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 08 2009 19:46 GMT
#21
On April 09 2009 04:40 Zoler wrote:
I'm hijacking this thread.

What do you think of this computer I'm gonna build?

Processor: Intel E8500 dual core 3.19 ghz
ram: 4 gb
graphic card: geforce GTS 250



don't think its going to boot to be honest.

kinda missing a few key parts.

Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
April 08 2009 20:01 GMT
#22
That's a really powerful computer that you have set up already for only a decent to semi high gaming computer. You can probably cut half of that and still play any game out today.

If you want to reduce cost here are my suggestions. Quad core isn't really needed for games as of yet. You can get a 2.5 ghz dual core wolfdale for 70 dollars over clock that to 3.5 and do pretty good for a while. DDR3 is very over priced for what potential you can get out of it right now. If you really want speed just stick to DDR2 with a good speed maybe 1000 or higher. Hard drives...I recommend getting 2 of them instead of just 1 big one. Put the OS on 1 and the games on another, that will speed up the games. That graphic card is huge and powerful, I have the 260 and it runs everything on the highest no problem. If you decide to SLI that's over kill. But if you want a bigger e-penis go ahead but that's not the point in what I'm telling you.

I'm a big fan of the p45 motherboards, you can get some good MB that can OC pretty well. Might want a better case if you are going with your build. You can get a cheap reliable DVD drive for 25 bucks, pretty much the the more expensive they get the quieter they get.

And a 22 inch monitor is perfect. I got a decent one for only 180 on newegg. I made a gaming PC for a friend that plays every game out right now on high no problem without OCing for 650.

Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
April 08 2009 20:13 GMT
#23
On April 09 2009 04:46 StorZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 04:40 Zoler wrote:
I'm hijacking this thread.

What do you think of this computer I'm gonna build?

Processor: Intel E8500 dual core 3.19 ghz
ram: 4 gb
graphic card: geforce GTS 250



don't think its going to boot to be honest.

kinda missing a few key parts.



rofl
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 08 2009 21:04 GMT
#24
thanks for the input. I'm pretty sure about the processor and using ddr3 ram since its a good deal.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
April 08 2009 21:16 GMT
#25
@ Zoler

Unless you've found a great deal, I don't think that the performance of the E8500 over the E8400 comes close to justifying the price difference. You'd probably be better off with an E8400 and a GTX 260.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
April 08 2009 23:05 GMT
#26
X58 Motherboard and the Core i7 processor is high-end. If you're looking for mid-range, stick with the Core2Duo. The top-tier C2Ds are very cheap thanks to the release of the i7, and you can save like $250 on the motherboard.

That said, I just recently built a new computer myself, but I had $3,500 to blow, and the one I went with has an i7 920 in, and I think it was money well spent. The only part that could be a better choice is your graphics card pick.

The GTX 275 is just a hair better than the 280. Don't ask me why, because I don't know, but the 275 has slightly faster clock speeds, the same stream processors, uses newer technology (meaning it's more efficient with the hardware that it has) and costs $60 less than the 280. The only thing the 280 has going for it is it has 128 MB more video memory than the 275, and that's almost negligible.

The current best first generation X58 motherboard is the EVGA 132-BL-E758-A1 LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard, when it comes to price vs. performance. It's also over $100 cheaper than what you're planning on getting, and highly upgradeable, in case you ever wanted to make use of the triple-SLi it has to offer.

Power Supply: with your current set up, you do not need 1,000 watts. 800 max, but you can even go down to 750. Also: go with Antec. They're a reliable brand, and the most infuriating thing is for the PSU to die on you and to take another piece of hardware with it (happened to me -- I had to replace not only the PSU but the motherboard, too, AND had to reinstall windows).

Memory: Corsair is a good brand, but check the speed on the memory you're getting. According to newegg, you can get DDR3 1600 for $9 more ($98) than the DDR3 1333 ($89). That's a decent boost for just 9 bucks.

Hard Drive: "Caviar"? Who's that? Stick to Western Digital. Maxtor was also a good brand until it was acquired by Seagate in 2006, so who knows, maybe Seagate is better than it used to be, but when I worked in retail selling hard drives, I saw tons and tons of returns on Seagates, and never saw returns on Western Digital (or Maxtor). And with your budget... who cares? Newegg has a WD 1TB HDD for $110. That is incredibly cheap, and don't expect that if you were to go down to 500/250 GB that the price would be cut in half or a quarter, respectively. 1TB of storage is currently the best price vs. performance & space.

Later on you'll thank yourself for getting so much space. I purchased a 160 GB hard drive after my 80 GB hard drive died a few years ago, thinking "160 is more than I'll ever need with the video games I play". Dear lord how I was wrong. All the sudden I was opened up to downloading movies and whatnot, and suddenly 160GB was pitiful. After loading my old files from my old 160GB hard drive, and just downloading for the 3 weeks that I've had this computer, I've used almost 300GB already. Keep in mind that Windows Vista 64-bit takes a lot more space than Windows XP.

Disc input: Blu-rays are still pricey. You can easily pay $200-$300 for one. Go with DVD-RWs. I picked up 2 off of newegg for my current rig for a total of $60, and even though they're "technically" not much better than my old DVD players from my last rig, they burn discs amazingly fast, and are incredibly cheap. Only company I recommend staying away from is Samsung. They make the best LCD screens you can buy, but they haven't gotten disc drives or hard drives down, yet. Give them a few years, and they'll be #1 in those markets, too. They're a great company, but they're just not there yet.

Monitor: Like I said -- go with Samsung. I was originally planning on doing dual-monitors, like you, and once I got my 24" set up and turned on, that idea went completely out the window. Dual monitors is just unnecessary when you have a machine 6GB or more memory in it and a huge monitor. I say the part about memory because I was planning on browsing in a smaller 19" monitor and gaming in the 24", but I can switch windows so quickly thanks to the 12GB of memory I have, which probably never gets fully used, even when I'm playing Crysis at max settings and have 2 firefox windows open.

Operating Sytem: Windows Vista 64-bit home premium. Don't let the naysayers fool you -- this is one of the best operating systems ever released by any company. It's fast, easy-to-use, and today I don't run in to problems like people did (who still complain about it) when it was first released. They had merit 18 months ago, but Microsoft has been feeding the girl right, and she's been exercising regularly, and now she's smokin' hot. My only complaint is that Vista uses more memory than I'd care for, but with 6GB or 12GB, that isn't an issue.
Shitposting
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 09 2009 00:05 GMT
#27
Lots of information thanks
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
April 09 2009 01:41 GMT
#28
For video cards, gtx 275 or Radeon 4890 make the most sense. On small monitors (< 30 inch), the 4890 outperforms the gtx.

Just saying, because everyone here seems to have mentioned only nvidia. ATI is leading price/performance at the moment I believe.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 09 2009 02:03 GMT
#29
On April 09 2009 10:41 errol1001 wrote:
For video cards, gtx 275 or Radeon 4890 make the most sense. On small monitors (< 30 inch), the 4890 outperforms the gtx.

Just saying, because everyone here seems to have mentioned only nvidia. ATI is leading price/performance at the moment I believe.


thanks i'll look into them. refreshing to see more than just nvidia
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Spinlock
Profile Joined December 2008
United States59 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 03:05:36
April 09 2009 03:02 GMT
#30
I would recommend finding some hardware review sites and see what they say about building computers, as they review parts from all brands and need to try to be objective (in some sense), and are experienced with various different types of hardware. This way you won't waste as much money buying unnecessary parts...

Edit: AnandTech has a guide here for example... let this be some sort of starting point and swap out parts you don't need and swap in parts that you like...
RawrAnOcean
Profile Joined February 2006
United States359 Posts
April 09 2009 15:25 GMT
#31
On April 09 2009 11:03 StorZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2009 10:41 errol1001 wrote:
For video cards, gtx 275 or Radeon 4890 make the most sense. On small monitors (< 30 inch), the 4890 outperforms the gtx.

Just saying, because everyone here seems to have mentioned only nvidia. ATI is leading price/performance at the moment I believe.


thanks i'll look into them. refreshing to see more than just nvidia

IMO ATI is falling behind of Nvidia. Nvidia is better with keeping up with their drivers. And for hard drives some of the older Seagate really had problems, but I like Seagate a lot more than WD. But both are solid brands except for externals but that's a different story.
Savio
Profile Joined April 2008
United States1850 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-09 16:43:43
April 09 2009 16:35 GMT
#32
soooooo much money. You can play SC2 with equal performance and only spend ~600 dollars


Bought this a few months ago:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Windows Computer
ECS G31T-M QUAD CORE 1333FSB DDR2 SATA2
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3Ghz 1333FSB 6MB
RECOMMENDED UPGRADE - HEAVY DUTY COOLER
4GB PC2 6400 800Mhz DDR2 Kit 2x2GB Chips
400GB Serial ATA 7200Rpm 16MB Cache SATA
INTEL GMA3100 ONBOARD 287MB SHARED VIDEO CARD ADAPTER
20x DVD±R/RW DUAL LAYER INTERNAL DRIVE
REALTEK ALC662 HD 6-CHANNEL HIGH DEFINITION SOUND CARD ADAPTER
REALTEK RTL8101E 10/100Mbps ETHERNET ADAPTER (LAN)
BEIGE ATX MIDTOWER CASE W/ POWER SUPPLY
Standard Power Supply With Case Selected
High-Speed Case Cooling Fan 80mm
MS WINDOWS XP HOME EDITION
Standard Assembly Ships Out In 3-7 Days
SHIPPING/HANDLING

After shipping/taxes and everything it was $485. That was the FINAL cost to me.

Now I buy the best video card I can for around $150 off Newegg right before SC2 is released

And I have computer that meets all my SC2 and D3 needs for around $630.

And I'll be a happy little kid playing SC2 and D3 and have it for other normal computing needs. I recommend you save the extra money and if you wanna spend it, buy a friggin ginormous monitor and/or a sweet, sweet sound system.
The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. – Winston Churchill
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 09 2009 20:14 GMT
#33
I know i can buy a decent machine for 600.
Min requirements are sc2. but i'm looking to play other games in the future and i have about 2kk saved just to spend on my computer and i want to spend it. So thats the main reason why i'm going for the i7 proccessor and ddr3 memory ect.

I do know my mobo is over priced and need something thats cheaper than 400, same with graphics card.

Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
April 09 2009 21:08 GMT
#34
ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
Intel Core i7 920 Nehalem 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601920 - Retail
XIGMATEK dark knight - s1283 120mm CPU Cooler - Retail
OCZ OCZTFRZTC Freeze Extreme Thermal Conductivity Compound - Retail
G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL7T-6GBPK - Retail
Western Digital Caviar Green WD10EADS 1TB SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
Western Digital Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
EVGA 896-P3-1171-AR GeForce GTX 275 Superclocked Edition 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
SAMSUNG 22X DVD±R DVD Burner with LightScribe Black SATA Model SH-S223Q - OEM
Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM
Antec P182 Gun Metal Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

my2¢s
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
April 10 2009 06:36 GMT
#35
I find it funny that people say their $600 computer can play starcraft 2 with equal performance.

So that means you know your system is going to be running SC2 on max settings @ > 30-40 fps (with max supply), ie the point where you might conceivably say you're getting equal performance?

Where does that come from? As far as I know, pretty much no one knows that kind of information except blizzard internally.

StorZerg, based on the recent SSD (Solid-state drive) reviews on Anandtech, I would strongly consider spending part of your budget there. But read the reviews, as some of them are crap.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 10 2009 07:17 GMT
#36
Umm no?

the only SSD worth it is the intel ones and some of the high end ones from other brands. these SSD are double the price of even the scsi drives in servers while giving maybe 5% increase in real life performance?

the cheaper ones on the market are plain shit house. Better get a velociraptor for that money.

I would cut my dick off if SC2 need any more than a core 2 duo. Any E8* is going to do nicely for the moment for the money. If you are worrying about mobo becoming obsolete, grab something from AMD phenom II. The 720 is awesome.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 10 2009 07:19 GMT
#37
The most reliable way to get desktop HD performance is get 2 * velociraptors and raid them and get a few WD 1TB or 2 TB as storage drives.

Vista is perfectly fine for everything. Only dumb mom and dads should have trouble with Vista.
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 10 2009 07:22 GMT
#38
Caviar is a series from Western digital VorcePA.... -_-

If you are getting 775 mobos then don't waste your money on crap like 1600 DDR2. You only get that bandwidth if you overclock your CPU to death. Something that i think the OP will have trouble with (Not that the OP is incapable but the time and money invested OC shits is insane).
Rillanon.au
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 10 2009 07:23 GMT
#39
HD brands don't mean jack these days. They all have equal return rates (except seagate). Their 7200.11 barra sucked shit with bugs in firmware.
Rillanon.au
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
April 10 2009 12:10 GMT
#40
Holy 4 posts in a row, Batman!

Sorry for not knowing that Caviar == WD. Brands typically are listed first when you talk about computer hardware (and since caviar is a series from WD, that would mean the brand is -never- listed).

SSDs get a much more substantial increase in performance over standard hard disks. They're also a lot more durable, and last a lot longer. That said, they're not worth the price, yet.

Also, most people aren't going to notice the difference between a 10,000 RPM drive and a 7,200 RPM drive. I have a single 1TB 7,200 RPM HDD and it's smokin' fast for all my needs.
Shitposting
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-10 19:57:26
April 10 2009 19:56 GMT
#41
Yeah from what i've read areound the difference between the 10k and 7.2k are not noticeable.

maybe if i was going to deal with massive amounts of data. but im not

also im not worried about my mobo being obsolete just, the mobo i was suggested is top of the line and way to expensive for me to want to spend money on that. i could cut half the cost on that and get a monitor.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
April 10 2009 20:22 GMT
#42
Whatever. A 60gb OCZ SSD drive would probably run around $170 and get you better performance than raiding raptors for your OS and applications. That difference is also going to be tremendously noticeable when you're doing most things. Won't matter for SC2 though.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
April 10 2009 21:09 GMT
#43
On April 11 2009 05:22 errol1001 wrote:
Whatever. A 60gb OCZ SSD drive would probably run around $170 and get you better performance than raiding raptors for your OS and applications. That difference is also going to be tremendously noticeable when you're doing most things. Won't matter for SC2 though.



for mosts things. what are these things?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-10 21:24:28
April 10 2009 21:13 GMT
#44
On April 11 2009 06:09 StorZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 11 2009 05:22 errol1001 wrote:
Whatever. A 60gb OCZ SSD drive would probably run around $170 and get you better performance than raiding raptors for your OS and applications. That difference is also going to be tremendously noticeable when you're doing most things. Won't matter for SC2 though.



for mosts things. what are these things?

They're solid state disks, aka hard drives that use flash memory instead of the magnetic disks of a normal hard drive. They're characterized by basically no random access time, high read rates, and microstuttering problems depending on the drive.

1 isnt going to net you greater performance than raiding a couple of raptors, but 2 30GB models will.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=50001550 40000636&Manufactory=1550&SubCategory=636&SpeTabStoreType=0

I recommend the vertex models if you're looking to buy them since they don't use the JMicron controllers.


I would also second Izzycraft's recommendation, but I would consider switching out the 275 for crossfire 4870 512's, and consider buying 2 caviar blacks so you can raid them.
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
April 10 2009 21:42 GMT
#45
I like IzzyCraft's suggestion too.

The i7 may be overkill for SC2, but its a real step up from Core 2 Quad, and its the best thing you can do to future proof your computer imo.

As far as the above suggestion, I would go for a single high end Graphics Card. That way you can buy another hwen the price comes down and essential double your graphics processing power (where as if you go for two cards now, you'd have to buy two new cards to upgrade).

Hell, if you get this motherboard: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813188046, you could do three way SLI!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-10 21:45:18
April 10 2009 21:42 GMT
#46
u r wasting a lot of money and at the same time using too lil

first off how much cache does the HD have that u r paying up 30 dollar extra than every1 else to buy it??

also get that 1000W PSU, andd keep 1TB HD (don't go any lower)

in my experience of making comps if u sell any component short because u think u can save a lil money and taht u will not need as much power u r dead wrong...

after finishing ur comp and running it u will not like it and eventually u will buy the original item in question... so might as well buy it now then buy some crappy 250GB HD and then buy 1TB one later...

EDIT: w/ the 1000W u can do some fun mods ^^

btw when u build this how long r u planning to keep it? 3? 4? 5? 6?? depending on the amount of time u think u will keep u should pull some stuff out or sink more money in
ggyo...
xmShake
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1100 Posts
April 10 2009 23:29 GMT
#47
On April 11 2009 06:42 R3condite wrote:
u r wasting a lot of money and at the same time using too lil

first off how much cache does the HD have that u r paying up 30 dollar extra than every1 else to buy it??

also get that 1000W PSU, andd keep 1TB HD (don't go any lower)

in my experience of making comps if u sell any component short because u think u can save a lil money and taht u will not need as much power u r dead wrong...

after finishing ur comp and running it u will not like it and eventually u will buy the original item in question... so might as well buy it now then buy some crappy 250GB HD and then buy 1TB one later...

EDIT: w/ the 1000W u can do some fun mods ^^

btw when u build this how long r u planning to keep it? 3? 4? 5? 6?? depending on the amount of time u think u will keep u should pull some stuff out or sink more money in

Don't listen to this guy.
There's definitely more to hard drives than space...

If you don't need that much space, consider several small, high performance drives in raid for your apps, and a larger single drive for data storage.

1KW is definitely overkill unless you're doing heavy overclocking paired with crossfire/sli cards, and other shit.
Use this if you want a general idea of what size power supply to get.
http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp
Note that there are other factors besides wattage that go into making your decision on a power supply though.
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 11 2009 02:18 GMT
#48
On April 11 2009 04:56 StorZerg wrote:
Yeah from what i've read areound the difference between the 10k and 7.2k are not noticeable.

maybe if i was going to deal with massive amounts of data. but im not

also im not worried about my mobo being obsolete just, the mobo i was suggested is top of the line and way to expensive for me to want to spend money on that. i could cut half the cost on that and get a monitor.


The benefits of the 10k RPM is the better seek/write time.. not transfer speed (it will help i suppose).
The velociraptor is a great improve over the original raptors but yeah the real improvement of 10k is the better response / loading time for programs.

i personally use velociraptor and like it but what ever floats your boat i suppose.

I am not yet convinced that the cheaper SSD is best given the enormous amount problems witnessed.
Rillanon.au
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
April 11 2009 02:59 GMT
#49
Quick FYI: you really don't need a GTX280 for starcraft 2. GTX260 would be way less money and more than enough

Also, you really don't need 6gb of ram unless you're running 64bit, and the downsides of 64bit really aren't worth it unless you are running like 16gb or more of ram and you're doing ram-intensive work such as video editing.
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
April 11 2009 03:23 GMT
#50
250gb is not enough. go for 1 terabyte. u will not regret it. 800w to 1000w psu should be enough. dont go for dual graphic card coz they r so not worth it.
moshi moshi~
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
April 11 2009 03:54 GMT
#51
If you go SSD, you have to dodge the ones that have been found to have problems. The OCZ ones don't have the problems, but are quite a bit worse performance wise than the Intel ones. But they also cost half as much.

What you get from it though is really fast loading. One note from the Anandtech review that may be a bit of an eye opener, was that on the SSD, they loaded a character into WoW from character select in 5 seconds, versus 12 seconds on a raptor ( I think my numbers are correct). And of course longer on a 7200 rpm drive. May or may not be of value to you.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
April 12 2009 07:29 GMT
#52
Radeon 4890 for $184 shipped:
http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/916871/

Really good deal. Recommend looking around places like fatwallet (ie the link above) to find such things.
Sirakor
Profile Joined April 2003
Great Britain455 Posts
April 12 2009 10:30 GMT
#53
On April 09 2009 01:45 StorZerg wrote:
Hard Drive
Caviar Black 1tb 7200 RPM serial ATA 300 Hard Drive
130 thought this was a good deal as well, But I don't need all that storage space. Is it possible to raid a single hard drive? if not I'd try to get a few 250 gb hard drives and raid that.


Nope you can't RAID a single drive. It's called (R)edundant (A)rray of (I)ndependent (D)isks for a reason ;-)

I would certainly recommend a RAID setup, but you should ask yourself first what you want to accomplish with this. Protect your data? Reduce access times? Which has which priority? Then choose the RAID setup accordingly. Mind you, since you're not going to have horrendous amounts of data, I would go for RAID 1, something between 500GB - 1TB for each disk. Makes recovery a whole lot easier.

Stay clear of software RAIDs though, they suck balls and can end up eating a lot of CPU performance, plus write times often double. A dedicated RAID controller may be overkill (although nice), but some motherboards have pseudo RAID controllers, may be worth a look. (btw I didnt check up on the board you mentioned, whether it does or not).

For your purposes though, I don't think read access times should be much of an issue. More an issue if you do computations or image/video editing that requires lots of swapping, regardless of your RAM. You need to ask yourself how important your data is that you'll be keeping on the machine.
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