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Have been testing some weird ZvP tactics and finally I did find one perfect build that fits my needs.
Let the replay speak.
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=9521
Those who already turn down my gosu build, screw you 
But yeah its just basic double evo fast 1-1 upgrades for lings to fast hive (mix spire, well you really need it for corsais but not always) and 5 hatch :D Later on upgrading drop and preparing ultras. For corsairs spores to natural choke and 3rd (if needed)
For blog topic, destination, So painfull for zvt. Every game terran cheeses at least zvp is more standard T_T
Oh and if you wanna be extra gay, make late lurkers and defend random chokes with those and drop same time, makes protoss unhappy ;:D
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YOUR TITLE DECIEVED ME! i thought this was gonna be a topic discussing if destination is good or not XD
edit: NICE ninja edit O_o got me good lol
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On March 27 2009 09:19 ShmotZ wrote:
YOUR TITLE DECIEVED ME! i thought this was gonna be a topic discussing if destination is good or not XD
edit: NICE ninja edit O_o got me good lol
hah, but you can discuss destination if you want.
Especially all zergs can contribute some good ZvT and ZvP replays ASAP.
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I've only won two ZvT games on Destination before. One game was because the Terran went standard bio, and the second was because the guy had no idea what to do with 2port wraiths.
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the best ZvT build for destination is clearly 4pool
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United States889 Posts
On March 27 2009 10:00 TryThis wrote:
the best ZvT build for destination is clearly 4pool
This.
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God i hate this map with a passion, and everyone seems to be protoss at the yellow ranks, god damn it makes me want to kill myself.
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The entire map itself is like 1 giant bridge
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I'll get you a zvt and zvp of myself on Destination, the zvt is vs mech but without lan lat.
zvp
zvt
Both games are from CSL, the college league thing.
I personally like Destination, especially as compared to Medusa or Colosseum2.
Too_MuchZerg your build sounds just like what Luxury did to Jangbi on Carthage, but it was only as successful as it was (not a spoiler!) because he was abusing the map's long distances and that Protoss couldn't as easily run around the map as him, but Destination is much more linear and not spread out, so I can't see this working vs a good protoss ._.
Gonna laugh when someone tries to 4pool and runs into a ling-tight wall rofl.
I like Destination zvt because terran either predictably mechs, or goes bio, and muta harass is really strong on this map vs bio, and the bridges help lurkers delay terran more than normal.
zvp is a little tougher, but taking the highground expo by your nat and sim citying it makes it pretty safe, and you get the backdoor for free with it. Protoss gets to do the same thing though which can make the game hard, I dunno.
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United States20661 Posts
ZvT Destination I take a leaf out of Luxury's book and 5pool every single game.
Now you might think that's quite lame, but when Terran is doing this proxy-rax into proxy-fac into dual starport wraith tank the back of your natural every single game, you realize that it's for the best.
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I've never been proxied on Destination, any game :O
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On March 27 2009 11:18 Last Romantic wrote:
ZvT Destination I take a leaf out of Luxury's book and 5pool every single game.
Now you might think that's quite lame, but when Terran is doing this proxy-rax into proxy-fac into dual starport wraith tank the back of your natural every single game, you realize that it's for the best.
You really should learn how to play Destination for real before you start 5pooling.
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I am struggling on Destination right now. I dropped from 3600 c- to 2900 D+ playing this map. But I've watched over 15 reps of each mu on that map so I'm going for round two on Saturday.
I am P btw.
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yea...dont play destination unless you are terran. Z/Ps should play Othello.
a ZvP build that gives you a significant advantage vs FE is 9 pool into 3 hatch(no speed) just go mine his back mineral with drone @ 9 scout and he is forced to put up additional cannons at some random shitty choke point, really puts protoss behind.
ZvT....uh good luck? =S mech unstoppable on that map
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Sweden2358 Posts
Lol I can't believe the zergs are bitching about desti (coming from a P).
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On March 27 2009 10:00 TryThis wrote:
the best ZvT build for destination is clearly 4pool
I coulda sworn 5pool is better >.>
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EVERY toss I've played has proxy gated me on desti, while I've meched every zerg, so I think the karma balances out. strangely enough I only got 4 pooled once which didn't work out for him, although him banging on my building supply to 90 hp was a nail biter.
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Russian Federation386 Posts
What are you talking about? I'm T and I never cheese on Desti vs Zerg. I play bio only because I think mech is boring and its like near impossible to win unless the zerg is a complete dumbass... TvZ is my best mu, too :'(
In 70% of TvPs I've been proxied (in-base, natural, slightly behind natural, etc), so it doesn't add to my confidence of winning on Desti... I'm D+ btw, currently with 2949 points.
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United States11393 Posts
On March 27 2009 13:50 LaLuSh wrote:
Lol I can't believe the zergs are bitching about desti (coming from a P).
Play ZvT there and just try not to rage.
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On March 27 2009 12:20 inertinept wrote:
yea...dont play destination unless you are terran. Z/Ps should play Othello.
a ZvP build that gives you a significant advantage vs FE is 9 pool into 3 hatch(no speed) just go mine his back mineral with drone @ 9 scout and he is forced to put up additional cannons at some random shitty choke point, really puts protoss behind.
ZvT....uh good luck? =S mech unstoppable on that map
Probes can attack drones from the other side of the mineral block, so good luck with that.
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On March 27 2009 10:35 Cloud wrote:
God i hate this map with a passion, and everyone seems to be protoss at the yellow ranks, god damn it makes me want to kill myself.
wtf everyone is protoss at D ranks
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On March 27 2009 19:53 Nightmarjoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 12:20 inertinept wrote:
yea...dont play destination unless you are terran. Z/Ps should play Othello.
a ZvP build that gives you a significant advantage vs FE is 9 pool into 3 hatch(no speed) just go mine his back mineral with drone @ 9 scout and he is forced to put up additional cannons at some random shitty choke point, really puts protoss behind.
ZvT....uh good luck? =S mech unstoppable on that map Probes can attack drones from the other side of the mineral block, so good luck with that.
ive used it against people in C ranks, so yes I have had good luck with it so far. and this is early in season, so these are good players.
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On March 27 2009 16:37 eX-Corgh wrote:
What are you talking about? I'm T and I never cheese on Desti vs Zerg. I play bio only because I think mech is boring and its like near impossible to win unless the zerg is a complete dumbass... TvZ is my best mu, too :'(
In 70% of TvPs I've been proxied (in-base, natural, slightly behind natural, etc), so it doesn't add to my confidence of winning on Desti... I'm D+ btw, currently with 2949 points.
If everyone played bio on Destination, ZvT would turn easy. "Cheesy" Terran builds are extremely powerful on Destination, and it only makes sense that players would take advantage of the fact. I absolutely hate playing ZvT on Destination because it's difficult to deal with mech builds, but whenever a Terran plays standard bio it just makes me wonder why they would choose to do so.
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Ya'll could just play Othello?
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On March 27 2009 21:44 inertinept wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2009 19:53 Nightmarjoo wrote:On March 27 2009 12:20 inertinept wrote:
yea...dont play destination unless you are terran. Z/Ps should play Othello.
a ZvP build that gives you a significant advantage vs FE is 9 pool into 3 hatch(no speed) just go mine his back mineral with drone @ 9 scout and he is forced to put up additional cannons at some random shitty choke point, really puts protoss behind.
ZvT....uh good luck? =S mech unstoppable on that map Probes can attack drones from the other side of the mineral block, so good luck with that. ive used it against people in C ranks, so yes I have had good luck with it so far. and this is early in season, so these are good players.
C... foreigners?
Just asking cuz a d+ korean was smart enough to attack my drone through the block -_-
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On March 27 2009 11:18 Last Romantic wrote:
ZvT Destination I take a leaf out of Luxury's book and 5pool every single game.
Now you might think that's quite lame, but when Terran is doing this proxy-rax into proxy-fac into dual starport wraith tank the back of your natural every single game, you realize that it's for the best.
hehe, this is the worst thing you can do.
I don't know your level of play but 5pool on a far distance 2player map with tight ramps and possible lingproof walls is a very bad idea
Better to just scout early enough to grab his gas and change to 12pool or use drones asap if you cant see a rax etc, if you're afraid of such builds.
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Every single Protoss around the D ranks manner pylons on Desti in PvP; other than that I find that it's a pretty fun map. I like it far more than Python for example.
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Russian Federation386 Posts
On March 28 2009 06:37 poilord wrote:
Every single Protoss around the D ranks manner pylons on Desti in PvP; other than that I find that it's a pretty fun map. I like it far more than Python for example.
Every Korean protoss I've played tried to manner pylon me in PvT. (D+ level) Annoying as hell >(((
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