• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 06:18
CEST 12:18
KST 19:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists19[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists MaNa leaves Team Liquid Maestros of the Game 2 announced
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) FSL Season 10 Individual Championship WardiTV Spring Cup 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion JaeDong's ASL S21 Ro16 Post-Review BW General Discussion Leta's ASL S21 Ro.16 review [ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro8 Day 1
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1457 users

Mentality of playing other players

Blogs > Racenilatr
Post a Reply
1 2 Next All
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 22 2009 01:38 GMT
#1
What is the mentality of most people here on TL? Mine is that I do the bare minimum possible to win and therefore I underestimate good opponenets and lose because of silly reasons half the time. If that same person had a C+ rank, I would try to play really really safely. As a result, I don't treat anyone the same when I play on iccup. There is never a strong, consistent level of play for me. Is this what happens with most people? Or am I just a special case

*
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
March 22 2009 01:40 GMT
#2
no not really. its natural.

try to treat all players as B level. get ur basics down and ur good
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 22 2009 01:48 GMT
#3
Any tips on how to do that?
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
March 22 2009 01:52 GMT
#4
take a look, read a book
the world's a playground. you know that when you're a kid, but somewhere along the way everyone forgets it.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
March 22 2009 01:55 GMT
#5
I don't know why you would do the minimum possible? I always do as much as I can and I like to focus on harass.
Hi.
[trapcard]
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
16 Posts
March 22 2009 02:02 GMT
#6
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape" -iloveoov
Member of the Ban Raithed Initiative
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
March 22 2009 02:04 GMT
#7
On March 22 2009 10:55 d(O.o)a wrote:
I don't know why you would do the minimum possible? I always do as much as I can and I like to focus on harass.

Well I just don't always try my best. Like sometimes I let my macro slip in low level pvz's and stuff like that
yoshtodd
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States418 Posts
March 22 2009 02:11 GMT
#8
In chess they tell you "play the board, not the player". No matter if you're playing a god or a newb, you should always treat it as a test for yourself to make as little errors as possible.
moo
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
March 22 2009 02:13 GMT
#9
I just go aggressive as possible, although I do lose because of it....
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 22 2009 02:14 GMT
#10
I treat D- like A+(not that i'm anywhere near that or anything) people in terms of timing and such, you never know when you would run into a smurf.

If you don't underestimate your opponents you don't make silly mistakes because of confidence.

You're better off not even taking their rank in consideration and just playing as if the person is amazing.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 22 2009 02:37 GMT
#11
The way I see it; D player or A- player, all are the equal enemy at the beginning of any game.
Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
March 22 2009 02:53 GMT
#12
we all sound like confusious
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
eX-Corgh
Profile Joined October 2007
Russian Federation386 Posts
March 22 2009 02:55 GMT
#13
Just another zerg.. just another zerg.
Never give cheese to the Gorilla ^^
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
March 22 2009 02:59 GMT
#14
On March 22 2009 11:53 Sonu wrote:
we all sound like confusious

Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36399 Posts
March 22 2009 03:01 GMT
#15
usually you can tell immediately how good someone is by their scouting worker
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
March 22 2009 03:05 GMT
#16
Someone once said in Chess to "play the board, not the player."

I don't think it applies well to SC. A lot of skill in SC is based on reading your opponent, which does mean reading his skill level in the different areas of his play. You have to play differently depending who and what you're up against. Their history, the builds they know, their micro, their current mind-state, their current decision making, their influences, etc..

Iccup is like an expansion pack to SC. It adds simple new elements of play such as mind-games with "top rank?" and "where are you from?" and BMing to try and tilt the opponent. Maybe start every D ladder game with "I hope you like cheese!" It's legal, it's funny and it's genuinely effective. They'll be nervous, they'll scout early, etc..

Anyway, to answer the OP:
Against really good P's in TvP, I'll play pretty greedy sometimes, cutting corners and trying my best to gauge goon count to get earlier facts and later e-bay. I need every edge I can get so I'll play hyper aggressive. The first person to attack gains a lot of initiative and a psychological advantage. Against D/C players, I will play way more safe, play way more defensively(if I care about my record. If it's purely practice, I will play greedy a lot so I can clearly find the line between too greedy and just greedy enough), not worrying about the psychological advantage of being the aggressor because I have the confidence already to beat them. And D/C players tend to throw units away and you can just wait for that and then unsiege and a-move.
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
March 22 2009 03:05 GMT
#17
The superior man, when resting in safety, does not forget that danger may come. When in a state of security he does not forget the possibility of ruin. When all is orderly, he does not forget that disorder may come. Thus his person is not endangered, and his States and all their clans are preserved.
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
March 22 2009 03:24 GMT
#18
I don't really play player levels differently, but I do play matchups differently.

ZvP: I am aggressive early, and at some point I either go for broke or stop being aggressive and start macro whoring like crazy. Unfortunately once I start macro whoring it is hard for me to get back into aggression mode, which is why the longer a ZvP lasts, the more likely it seems that I will lose it.

ZvT: I have difficulty being aggressive early against Terran. Unfortunately, I simply can't get my apm high enough to handle anything past middle game armies in ZvT. Idk, I am very cautious against Terran players and I shrink away from fights that I shouldn't, inevitably letting them force fights on their terms that I am doomed to lose.

ZvZ: My best matchup, because I know about what you should have at any given time. I play super aggressive, but so does everybody else, so that isn't really surprising.
plated.rawr
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Norway1676 Posts
March 22 2009 04:08 GMT
#19
I just imagine I'm playing your mother, so I'm as abusive as I can be.


More seriously though, I generally always expect my opponent to be a B or higher smurf wanting to noob-bash, so I play my best then pat myself on the back for being a nub who did his best when I get my wallin and first two tanks destroyed by 2 goons.
Savior broke my heart ;_; || twitch.tv/onnings
Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
March 22 2009 04:13 GMT
#20
On March 22 2009 10:52 mahnini wrote:
take a look, read a book

Moderator。◕‿◕。
1 2 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
GSL
09:30
2026 Season 1: Ro12 Group A
Zoun vs SolarLIVE!
Rogue vs TBD
Percival vs TBD
IntoTheiNu 319
Ryung 314
CranKy Ducklings SOOP81
LamboSC254
Rex17
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 314
LamboSC2 54
BRAT_OK 31
Rex 17
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10727
Sea 1530
Jaedong 696
Leta 507
Hyuk 394
Mini 334
Soma 280
Stork 209
actioN 166
ProTech145
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 122
firebathero 120
hero 118
Dewaltoss 111
Light 108
Snow 82
ZerO 71
Pusan 61
sSak 59
Last 53
Shinee 53
Rush 50
Aegong 48
soO 32
JYJ 30
ToSsGirL 21
Bale 19
IntoTheRainbow 11
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
[sc1f]eonzerg 4
Dota 2
XaKoH 542
resolut1ontv 261
ODPixel75
XcaliburYe12
Counter-Strike
olofmeister2381
shoxiejesuss1352
allub320
x6flipin265
Other Games
XBOCT285
crisheroes151
Mew2King93
ZerO(Twitch)8
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick614
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 567
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream100
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota237
League of Legends
• Jankos969
• TFBlade592
• Stunt439
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
13h 42m
GSL
23h 12m
Cure vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Bunny
KCM Race Survival
23h 42m
Big Gabe
1d 1h
Replay Cast
1d 13h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
Escore
1d 23h
OSC
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
4 days
IPSL
4 days
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Snow vs Flash
GSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-04-28
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W5
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.