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Tasteless: StarCraft competitive keyboard - part 2

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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
March 20 2009 16:27 GMT
#1
Tasteless has updated his blog with the 2nd in a long series of posts about Starcraft competitive keyboard tips & tricks:

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I've said this before and I’ll say it again right now. Starcraft is the hardest game ever made. There is no game that requires so much focus and dedication to improve at. There are so many secrets, tricks and techniques to master; many of which are almost impossible to figure out unless you're training with groups of people. This is one of the reasons why the Koreans are the best, they all train in the same room. They'll have group meetings discussing everything from strategy, to mechanical techniques to the psychological mind set that one must be in, in order to perform properly on stage.

One thing that non-Koreans struggle with is they often master some techniques and miss others. This isn't because they're stupid or not training enough; this game is just too much for one person alone to figure out. I want to start teaching you techniques that will give you a huge advantage.

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We're going to focus on mechanics and how to start using your keyboard like a Korean ProGamer. I've been playing Starcraft competitively for almost nine years now.

I’ve traveled around the world and watched the best of the best duke it out, but there was something that I found quite shocking. Players from different parts of the world use different hotkey setups.

Now bare in mind that Starcraft is a game that at times requires 300 APM to play. Obviously there has to be a right and a wrong way to use your keyboard just like there's a right and wrong way to hold a golf club.

This guide is going to be several blog posts long because I want to go in depth. I will be focusing this hotkey setup using Protoss but the advice i give you can help you figure out you're own best hotkey setups for Terran and Zerg.


The rest of the article here on Tasteless's blog:
http://starfeeder.gameriot.com/blogs/Tasteless/Starcraft-competitive-keyboard-tutorial-part-II


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Steelflight-Rx
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1389 Posts
March 20 2009 16:31 GMT
#2
Lipton u rock =)
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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
March 20 2009 16:34 GMT
#3
danke
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
March 20 2009 17:02 GMT
#4
its gonna be hard work for protoss to configure their keyboards... cuz they gotta dig ALMOST every single key out...
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AloneInDaBunker
Profile Joined November 2008
Korea (South)123 Posts
March 20 2009 17:17 GMT
#5
very nice!
Boxer is the truth.
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
March 20 2009 17:24 GMT
#6
Thats quite interesting stuff. Im looking forward to the continuation, any idea how often these come out?

On March 21 2009 02:02 YPang wrote:
its gonna be hard work for protoss to configure their keyboards... cuz they gotta dig ALMOST every single key out...


Thanks for your retarded contribution to the thread!
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 17:41:11
March 20 2009 17:40 GMT
#7
On March 21 2009 02:24 IMlemon wrote:
Thats quite interesting stuff. Im looking forward to the continuation, any idea how often these come out?

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On March 21 2009 02:02 YPang wrote:
its gonna be hard work for protoss to configure their keyboards... cuz they gotta dig ALMOST every single key out...


Thanks for your awesome, and truthful, genuine comments for contribution to the thread!

No problem, im here for that :D

Fixed BTW
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
March 20 2009 17:46 GMT
#8
Tasteless is advocating his own hotkey setup.

Should add that lots of protosses, especially koreans, use 3 4 and 5 as hotkeys for nexus' and click to build probes.

You could argue that moving your left hand to 9 and 0, and then back to it's default position, wastes more time than just moving your mouse cursor to the probe box, cycling through 3, click, 4, click; the entire time being in the right position with your left hand for microing scouting probes, armies or corsairs.

But I can see that the 9p0p would be beneficial for a noob trying to learn basic techniques.
piskooooo
Profile Joined November 2008
United States351 Posts
March 20 2009 17:54 GMT
#9
On March 21 2009 02:02 YPang wrote:
its gonna be hard work for protoss to configure their keyboards... cuz they gotta dig ALMOST every single key out...

oh you
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floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 20 2009 18:03 GMT
#10
Lots of Ps don't use that hotkey set up. So far the only thing he's said that is true is to buy cheap keyboards. Not so you can rip keys out and be unable to type like some retard, but because theres no real difference and cheap ones are easier to replace
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6990 Posts
March 20 2009 18:26 GMT
#11
Tasteless had a huge argument with Nony here in TL (before korea happened to either of them) about their hotkeys, Nony thought that clicking the probe icon is okay and tasteless was against that idea and how the koreans would laugh at doing so.

Now I wonder if Nony was actually laughed at and taught the "proper" way of doing it or if its just up to preference? I have noticed many progamers hotkeying their nexuses to somewhere around 1-5 and it just does not make sense to do so if you're pressing P for probes.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 20 2009 18:27 GMT
#12


This guide is going to be several blog posts long because I want to go in depth.

ah. was under the assumption it was already published



Tasteless has updated his blog with the 2nd in a long series of posts about Starcraft competitive keyboard tips & tricks:


i blame misleading first sentence.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Kentor *
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5784 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 18:46:55
March 20 2009 18:45 GMT
#13
I know bisu uses 4 for nexus and presses P for probes. He also doesn't hotkey his natural nexus. He uses an F key to his natural and selects the nexus and press P
Knickknack
Profile Joined February 2004
United States1187 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 19:16:08
March 20 2009 19:12 GMT
#14
Nah, it was not a huge argument. It was along like lines of nony and me telling tasteless that what he was putting forth as capital "t" Truth about keyboard usage was more like little "t" truth.

Sure you can make the argument that it does not make sense to use other than 09 for nexus since it is close to p. Or the argument can be made that it does not make sense to move your hand around so much between 0nexus and 1units when you can use 4nexus and 1unit. When you look at the actual practice...no top player uses 09 nexus anymore.

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Lipton
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States168 Posts
March 20 2009 19:20 GMT
#15
Tasteless should launch his own Pro Starcraft keyboard line
http://facebook.com/starfeeder
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
March 20 2009 19:30 GMT
#16
I really wish he did these faster. Blog like once a day, not once every month and a half :/
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
March 20 2009 19:45 GMT
#17
Reeeeeeeally basic stuff so far, but I'm looking forward to the later editions. Might help me out.
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
March 20 2009 20:08 GMT
#18
mmm

for me the start with a certain hotkey setup then it gradually changes into something else

iono i think if u have a sheet of paper w/ numbers from 1 to 9 and 0 then whenever u play just write down how you start and how u end and the middle where u think it's important...that should be good enoguh to tel lu want hotkeys r rite for u

cus ppl have diff hand size so it's pretty hard to just say do x and the end
ggyo...
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
March 20 2009 20:18 GMT
#19
haha, tasteless has a blog? WIN
I feel like pwning noobs
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
March 20 2009 20:46 GMT
#20
i remember him talking about this on GOM a while back and forgot about it thanks for the reminder
Dwell
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
March 20 2009 20:59 GMT
#21
Dammit I had a feeling it was going to be based on protoss. I'm actually really considering changing my hotkey setup soon, it gets me to mid-game but late-game it's not very effective.
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
March 20 2009 21:27 GMT
#22
Hotkey setup is not really too important.. I think.

Top progamers have all kind of hotkey setups, also look at Incontrol's hotkeys, he almost hotkeys only his hatcheries and still he won WCG usa 1.5 year ago etc.
And all is illuminated.
kawoq
Profile Joined November 2005
Guatemala357 Posts
March 20 2009 21:40 GMT
#23
I will keep an eye on that blog, thank you! =)
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Ash
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Malaysia1978 Posts
March 20 2009 21:47 GMT
#24
its not about how you hotkeys

it's about how you use your keyboard. for example some zergs use both hands when they macro 0sh9sh8sh7sh7sh while some can do that job with only 1 hand... 4sz5sz6sz7sz8sz9sz

fingers placement are REALLY important for SC. There is a reason why some people tend to improve slow but some can improve really fast.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
March 20 2009 22:46 GMT
#25
Why doesn't anyone remove F1? It's right beside F2 and it only brings up Help and Tips. I often press it by accident, so I remove it.
IntoTheRainBOw fan~
fearus
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
China2164 Posts
March 21 2009 02:59 GMT
#26
As some1 else pointed out

Bisu and Stork both hotkey they nexus to 4

So.......... ?
bisu fanboy
eatmyshorts5
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1530 Posts
March 21 2009 03:00 GMT
#27
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
March 21 2009 04:00 GMT
#28
Wow... I just realized i always use the ctrl key on the left side of the keyboard instead of the one on the right which is much more accessible, and I'm a protoss player. I'll have to try that.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
March 21 2009 15:20 GMT
#29
i translated to hungarian this one, as well as the first one. I hope Nick doesnt minds. Of course i linked the original source too, but many ppl from the hungarian community at starcraft2.hu arent comfortable with english
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Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
March 21 2009 16:51 GMT
#30
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Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
March 21 2009 17:07 GMT
#31
On March 21 2009 06:27 freelander wrote:
Hotkey setup is not really too important.. I think.

Top progamers have all kind of hotkey setups, also look at Incontrol's hotkeys, he almost hotkeys only his hatcheries and still he won WCG usa 1.5 year ago etc.


Inc is a mechanically unsound player. Not saying he isn't good, though. And not saying you can't compensate for unsound mechanics in other ways. But... it's a way to improve.
iOwnToyland
Profile Joined October 2020
1 Post
September 08 2021 06:17 GMT
#32
13 year BUMP. Is there a new link for tasteless blog with this guide alive somewhere?

Or something similar that's been reproduced properly?
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