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Help I Need a New Standard PvT BO!

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Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
March 16 2009 17:13 GMT
#1
I used to do 1 gate goons into nexus this is the exact bo i do all the time

8 pylon
10 gate
12 gas
13 cyber
15 pylon
17 goon
range
goon
24pylon
25 nexus
and i have 3 goons around 4 mins to deal with FD Push, bos i can counter Terran easily is the FD push as long as i didn't screw up my micro and siege expand.

the only bo i can't seem to counter well is 2 fact, so whats a good bo to counter 2 fact if any good protoss players know the EXACT bo so i can practice that would be great! I could still do 1 gate goon into nexus but if i dont know what terran is up to or if i dont see his cc, then i should do 2 gate robo obs? and what is that bo exactly?

Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
March 16 2009 17:16 GMT
#2
Btw sry to hijack a bit, can someone give me the exact 2gate fast goon pressure build that Nony ( for example ) uses a lot.
It is not off topic because i guess it is good vs 2 fact :p
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
March 16 2009 17:38 GMT
#3
2gate robo obs is pretty much the same as the 1gate expo except you just get a gateway then robo instead of nexus.

The 10/15 gate build is just what it sounds like. Standard opening, build 2nd gate at 15, stop probes, then make goon, pylon, range.

I can't give exact builds because I don't remember build orders by their supply counts.
No I'm never serious.
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-16 17:43:58
March 16 2009 17:43 GMT
#4
ok so anyone know the 10/15 goon pressure bo? and does it kill 2 fact?
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2009 17:51 GMT
#5
it's just 8pylon 10/15 gate gas normally but then cut like 3 probes so u can get 3 goons out asap
just toy around with the build i'm sure you'll get it down
as far as im concered 2fact>2gate however
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
March 16 2009 17:51 GMT
#6
I do it this way.
8 pyl
10 gate
11 gas
13 core
15 gate->scout (start probe cut)
15 Range first then first goon asap like 1-2 sec after the range start.
17 pylon
17 2goons asap when pyl finishes (I like to start probes again after these 2 but you can cut it further to get 2 more goons out at the same time. If you start probes you will get the 4th right after the others but you have to wait some seconds before you start your 5th)
22 (or 21) Pylon (depends if you resume probes or not)
After that it deviates depending on what you wanna do and what the Terran is doing. I usually don`t make more than 5goons unless they did not wall or I am able to break his wall.

It can kill 2fact with proper micro and you can lose with bad, but usually it ends in sort of a stalemate. It all comes down to the micro of both players basically.
God Hates a Coward
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2009 17:57 GMT
#7
or that. hawt.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 16 2009 17:57 GMT
#8
ever use 10/15 vs zerg ? lolol havn't played vs it yet
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
March 16 2009 18:04 GMT
#9
damn I HATE TERRANS WHO 2 fact i wish every terran would just be passive and do siege expo all the time :T well i'll practice this bo, and i heard i shouldn't do this on ramped maps, so if they choose to do 2 fact on a ramped map, do i still continue with this bo?
Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
March 16 2009 18:40 GMT
#10
On March 17 2009 02:57 HeavOnEarth wrote:
ever use 10/15 vs zerg ? lolol havn't played vs it yet


I actually once faked 1 gate-tech then i went 4 gate goon and it worked wonderfully
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
March 16 2009 18:41 GMT
#11
Razor you make me l o l everytime you post =D
Starcraft 2 - Beta
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-16 18:43:22
March 16 2009 18:42 GMT
#12
Yea playing pvz like pvt is really funny ( 2-3 gates zeal/goon ). But it doesn't work well vs zergs > D/D+ ;(
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
March 16 2009 21:15 GMT
#13
On March 17 2009 03:41 Ziph wrote:
Razor you make me l o l everytime you post =D

Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
March 17 2009 07:38 GMT
#14
On March 17 2009 03:40 Hyperionnn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 02:57 HeavOnEarth wrote:
ever use 10/15 vs zerg ? lolol havn't played vs it yet


I actually once faked 1 gate-tech then i went 4 gate goon and it worked wonderfully

sounds evil
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
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