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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
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Last Edited: 2009-03-07 20:19:08
March 07 2009 20:18 GMT
#41
On March 07 2009 17:52 TheYango wrote:
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On March 07 2009 15:12 fanatacist wrote:
I have played 0 mods. So you may be correct. The stand-alone game itself I think is superior. Civ 4 is way too imbalanced compared to 2 and 3. That was my major issue, as well as the dumbing down of resource management. Also I got the sense that AI difficulty was kind of capped, Civ 2/3 AI always seemed stronger to me, but that is just imo.

I agree with your assessment of balance issues, though, IMO that doesn't make a game (particularly given that its entirely irrelevant to mods). I'm curious what you mean about dumbing down resource management. Civ 2 definitely has the most simplified resource management scheme of all of them. Civ 4 is less complex than Civ 3, but at the same time I feel the system is more polished.

In regards to the AI, did you play vanilla or with Beyond the Sword? Because Beyond the Sword gives the AI a pretty substantial update (I think its also available as an add-in to vanilla Civ 4).

Since I don't play mods, it was relevant to me :p

Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Beyond the Sword... Never played it.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2009 22:21 GMT
#42
On March 08 2009 05:18 fanatacist wrote:
Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Except, IMO, it isn't a step back. Civ 3's resource management is complex, but also unrefined and cumbersome (e.g. uneven importance of resources and much more difficult to achieve certain victory types compared to others because of sheer number of resources). Civ 4's resource management is simpler, but also is less intrusive upon other mechanics. Simpler =/= dumbing down.
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fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
March 07 2009 22:40 GMT
#43
On March 08 2009 07:21 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2009 05:18 fanatacist wrote:
Yes, resource management is 3 > 4 > 2, but in 2 it was more understandable whereas in 4 it is a step back.

Except, IMO, it isn't a step back. Civ 3's resource management is complex, but also unrefined and cumbersome (e.g. uneven importance of resources and much more difficult to achieve certain victory types compared to others because of sheer number of resources). Civ 4's resource management is simpler, but also is less intrusive upon other mechanics. Simpler =/= dumbing down.

It's a matter of opinion. You see it as intrusive on other mechanics, I see it as higher level of management.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 07 2009 22:44 GMT
#44
On March 08 2009 07:40 fanatacist wrote:
It's a matter of opinion. You see it as intrusive on other mechanics, I see it as higher level of management.

And either way, we've derailed this thread quite enough.
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Sunhay
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada303 Posts
March 08 2009 07:02 GMT
#45
the last remnant is coming out for pc, so just load that up and have fun =)
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