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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 10:52:09
February 17 2009 10:49 GMT
#1
Tonight I finally registered to ICCUP in a hunt with my good old [mech] partner from 4 years ago O_O to find 2v2 games.

It's literally impossible to get a 2v2 on west because first of all nobody plays 2v2 pro maps. Secondly everyone just wants to play Python, and Python is like THE WORST 2v2 map ever. I mean there aren't even enough bases.

We are lucky if we can get a game on LT and even luckier if the players are both good and will game a few times. seriously like a 1% chance to get a game on some other pro map.

Ok, so anyways, we made accounts on ICCUP to play some 2v2 ladder. (which still sucks because he has a MAC >.< and can't run the Antihack or Chaos and people will boot). For some reason he can't play certain maps either. Zodiac and Python crash him every time, but Gaia works fine. We both hate gaia lol.

So we played like 3 games and won them all, D players were much better skill level than west that's for sure. Since he lives east coast its like 4am for him says he wants to play me 1v1 then logs off.

I decide to play a few games solo and to my surprise people are really shitty, wtf? I play way more skilled players on west in UMS pickup obs games. Any random 1v1 I join is generally higher skill as well. I thought D players would be at least robotic safe build orders, FEs, or super cheesy strats. Nothing like that, they just sucked lol. They couldn't even get their nat while I have like 3 bases. Enemy APM was like an average of 100.
I was also pretty surprised that not every other player was a dirty protoss.

I went 5-0 as Zerg. http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/spor[mech].html

When can I expect to see some decent players? I'm currently 1650 points, I assume D+ is 2k, C is 3k, and so on.


PS is iccup laggy for anyone else? I get like 200+ ping and whenever I get out of a game it jumps to like 400-600ms

*
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51449 Posts
February 17 2009 10:54 GMT
#2
how about you try playing right now
Commentator
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 10:57:32
February 17 2009 10:54 GMT
#3
it's 3 am now I'm done. But tomorrow probably.

Also, who registered the name SpoR but didn't even use it? Give it back asshat

Oh yea and when I was filling out my profile the thing has a type and says 'Headphonds'.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 17 2009 10:56 GMT
#4
I've been playing 2v2 Python exclusively for the last 2 years or so.

Pretty good 2v2 map imo, much better than Lost Temple.
#1 Terran hater
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
February 17 2009 10:59 GMT
#5
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 11:02:01
February 17 2009 11:01 GMT
#6
On February 17 2009 19:56 Highways wrote:
I've been playing 2v2 Python exclusively for the last 2 years or so.

Pretty good 2v2 map imo, much better than Lost Temple.


Each base has only 2 bases guaranteed. This is especially true when you have Terran Tanks covering the mineral only, you can't mine that base. Same for the island. They can creep down their main easily into it. The corner bases are up for grabs for anyone.

LT everyone has their 3 bases then they fight for the islands.

Python just doesn't have enough money evenly.

PPvTT on python is like impossible.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 11:03:33
February 17 2009 11:03 GMT
#7
On February 17 2009 19:59 Mandalor wrote:
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.

yea, I assumed that people who know about and play a starcraft ladder are at least a certain skill level. I mean why would you go on a ladder if you are a complete newb anyways, lol. People have like 30% win rate after like 80 games.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 17 2009 11:09 GMT
#8
Maybe it's fun and challenging to them. Why are their motivations even important to you?
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 17 2009 11:11 GMT
#9
I just had a higher expectation of a ladder that's all. I don't remember people being that bad on any other ladders.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 11:12:09
February 17 2009 11:11 GMT
#10
Ppl get pretty good at around C imo, similar to good pubbie west korean players.

edit:

yea i know what you mean, i went 13-2 after i took an eight months break lol, but they were all foreigners.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
February 17 2009 11:14 GMT
#11
CharlieMurphy

D+ is 2K
C- is 3K
C is 4k
And all is illuminated.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 11:17:02
February 17 2009 11:16 GMT
#12
On February 17 2009 20:14 freelander wrote:
CharlieMurphy

D+ is 2K
C- is 3K
C is 4k

yea that's what i meant.

How does the points thing work anyways. You get 130 for map of the weak win and 100 for normal map right? How come my friend only got 75 for a win?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
February 17 2009 11:18 GMT
#13
hmm now i'm tempted to play iccup just to see how bad d players really are
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
February 17 2009 11:18 GMT
#14
On February 17 2009 20:16 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 20:14 freelander wrote:
CharlieMurphy

D+ is 2K
C- is 3K
C is 4k

yea that's what i meant.

How does the points thing work anyways. You get 130 for map of the weak win and 100 for normal map right? How come my friend only got 75 for a win?


no ah, no motw
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 17 2009 11:19 GMT
#15
Opponents start being able to ape pro build orders around C-, though mostly it's unthinking execution.
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Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
February 17 2009 11:22 GMT
#16
On February 17 2009 20:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 19:59 Mandalor wrote:
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.

yea, I assumed that people who know about and play a starcraft ladder are at least a certain skill level. I mean why would you go on a ladder if you are a complete newb anyways, lol. People have like 30% win rate after like 80 games.


it all depends on the time you play really. At the beginning of a season, you barely find a newbie on D ranks, towards the middle or end of a season all those newbies start playing on icc because then there are opponents on their level. I just played a few games on D rank and you're right lol.
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
February 17 2009 11:23 GMT
#17
this late in the season lots of d players have a negative record
beam me up scotty, this planet suxX
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 17 2009 11:24 GMT
#18
On February 17 2009 20:22 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 20:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 17 2009 19:59 Mandalor wrote:
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.

yea, I assumed that people who know about and play a starcraft ladder are at least a certain skill level. I mean why would you go on a ladder if you are a complete newb anyways, lol. People have like 30% win rate after like 80 games.


it all depends on the time you play really. At the beginning of a season, you barely find a newbie on D ranks, towards the middle or end of a season all those newbies start playing on icc because then there are opponents on their level. I just played a few games on D rank and you're right lol.

oh when does the season start/end?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14893 Posts
February 17 2009 11:24 GMT
#19
WHOA LR STAFFED
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 11:26:41
February 17 2009 11:25 GMT
#20
I don't know if iccup follows a specific time pattern, but it seems like they reset the ladder when someone is close to olympic rank. I guess it's going to take another 2 or 3 months.

edit: whoops 4 players hit olympic already, okay forget about this post ^^
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
February 17 2009 11:26 GMT
#21
It can be pretty random especially around D

I played an 18 apm terran on tau once and than like a former b+/a- korean toss on destrination
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
February 17 2009 11:52 GMT
#22
haha GTR
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 12:15:01
February 17 2009 12:12 GMT
#23
YA ICCUP LOL

You beat some D noobass players and you think you can talk about the level of play on ICCUP? Oh you're surprised? Join the 50x other noobs who make this exact blog but at the least don't brag about it like it means something. Play 100 games at D you'll probably go 60-40.

You played a 1-3, a 30-60, a 1-7, a 0-2, and another 30-60. These are people who are in the huge negative records and D- ranks at the VERY END of the season. Do you REALLY think they are representative of the level of ICCUP?

On February 17 2009 20:25 Mandalor wrote:
I don't know if iccup follows a specific time pattern, but it seems like they reset the ladder when someone is close to olympic rank. I guess it's going to take another 2 or 3 months.

edit: whoops 4 players hit olympic already, okay forget about this post ^^


It resets every 3 months....
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
February 17 2009 12:26 GMT
#24
On February 17 2009 20:11 CharlieMurphy wrote:
I just had a higher expectation of a ladder that's all. I don't remember people being that bad on any other ladders.


you played a bunch of noobs, how is that representative of iccup in any way?
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 17 2009 12:32 GMT
#25
once he hits D+ he is gonna go Saddles.
I am not good with quotes
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 17 2009 12:48 GMT
#26
stats/rank of people you've played thus far:

sandster 0-0 D
royce_gracie 32 - 61 D
mefisto666 1-8 D-
mon.modrtor 0-2 D
yngvis 32 - 56 D
It's better to burn out than to fade away
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 17 2009 12:51 GMT
#27
I'd advise you to play about 30-50 games before passing any judgment.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
February 17 2009 12:57 GMT
#28
D this late in the season = mostly newbies.

Makes sense seeing how all the noobs are stuck on D-/D/D+ while those who are better have probably reached their "real" ranks by now. I don't get why they shouldn't play ladder if they're newbs though, it's probably the fastest and best way to improve for them ;p
Winners never quit, quitters never win.
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
February 17 2009 13:31 GMT
#29
I have a mac... the Obs version of Python works for some reason.

The non obs makes Starcraft crash and quit as soon as the game starts.
aka Moletrap
Snet *
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States3573 Posts
February 17 2009 13:38 GMT
#30
Dude, you're playing D level people.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
February 17 2009 13:39 GMT
#31
Looks like you met some amazing guys. Try playing during korean hours, it's alot harder.
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
hugitout
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States379 Posts
February 17 2009 13:43 GMT
#32
wow i cant believe another one of these "iccup is so ezzzz" posts was made haha
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 17 2009 13:53 GMT
#33
On February 17 2009 20:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 20:22 Mandalor wrote:
On February 17 2009 20:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 17 2009 19:59 Mandalor wrote:
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.

yea, I assumed that people who know about and play a starcraft ladder are at least a certain skill level. I mean why would you go on a ladder if you are a complete newb anyways, lol. People have like 30% win rate after like 80 games.


it all depends on the time you play really. At the beginning of a season, you barely find a newbie on D ranks, towards the middle or end of a season all those newbies start playing on icc because then there are opponents on their level. I just played a few games on D rank and you're right lol.

oh when does the season start/end?

I believe it ends in about a month around March. I know we're at like the 2 month period already
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
February 17 2009 14:02 GMT
#34
Lol. I can easily go 10-0 on D in the evening (like 6 pm est?) When I played Monday morning(1-5am) I was abused by the Koreans in so many ways. Went like 4-9. :[
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
February 17 2009 14:23 GMT
#35
On February 17 2009 22:53 Racenilatr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2009 20:24 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 17 2009 20:22 Mandalor wrote:
On February 17 2009 20:03 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 17 2009 19:59 Mandalor wrote:
You got lucky/unlucky (depends if you're going for good stats or good games ), that's it. D level players can be anything, from total noobs to people who just reset their acc and want to noob bash.

yea, I assumed that people who know about and play a starcraft ladder are at least a certain skill level. I mean why would you go on a ladder if you are a complete newb anyways, lol. People have like 30% win rate after like 80 games.


it all depends on the time you play really. At the beginning of a season, you barely find a newbie on D ranks, towards the middle or end of a season all those newbies start playing on icc because then there are opponents on their level. I just played a few games on D rank and you're right lol.

oh when does the season start/end?

I believe it ends in about a month around March. I know we're at like the 2 month period already


season ends in like 12 days
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
February 17 2009 14:31 GMT
#36
yeah quite ridiculous... joining iccup 2 weeks before season ends and then ranting about the low level at D.... pathetic ^^
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
February 17 2009 14:59 GMT
#37
On February 17 2009 21:48 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
stats/rank of people you've played thus far:

sandster 0-0 D
royce_gracie 32 - 61 D
mefisto666 1-8 D-
mon.modrtor 0-2 D
yngvis 32 - 56 D


It took him 24 minutes to beat sandster who took 26 minutes to beat a d- and 20 minutes to beat a guy who's 0-6.

Going to win courage sometime soon?

Sullifam
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
February 17 2009 15:04 GMT
#38
Well what do you expect when everytime a shitty newb player comes here asking for advice everyone says GO PLAY ICCUP.

There was a day when crappy people didn't go on ladders. Those days are over. I blame the proscene.
Nak Allstar.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
February 17 2009 15:06 GMT
#39
The amount of time you take to beat someone is no where representative of how good you are...
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 15:15:45
February 17 2009 15:11 GMT
#40
On February 17 2009 20:24 KOFgokuon wrote:
WHOA LR STAFFED


I know, congrats on the red LR!

Seriously though, the disparity between Korean time and every other time is just crazy. You really have to see it to believe it.

On February 18 2009 00:04 MiniRoman wrote:
Well what do you expect when everytime a shitty newb player comes here asking for advice everyone says GO PLAY ICCUP.

There was a day when crappy people didn't go on ladders. Those days are over. I blame the proscene.



There's nothing wrong with it, they're never going to get better if you don't let them play. If you want to play high quality games you should get an account and spend the 20 games it gets to the higher level players.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
February 17 2009 15:19 GMT
#41
Eh there are better ways for D- people to get better than getting mass raped on iccup. Ladders tend to promote solo playing especially at low levels like that. It's gonna be hard to find a real iccup team who can bring you under their wing. Much easier to find a team on battle.net with a similiar skill level that you can effectively practice with.
Nak Allstar.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
February 17 2009 15:19 GMT
#42
Congratulations on beating people who are likely still learning what each unit does, are there any preschools near where you live perhaps you should try your hand at physical combat next.
Bond(i2)
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada926 Posts
February 17 2009 15:34 GMT
#43
I was in [mech] 4 years ago!! aka MTS[mech] who were you
roses are red violets are blue, Im schitzophrenic and so am i
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 17 2009 15:51 GMT
#44
On February 18 2009 00:06 b3h47pte wrote:
The amount of time you take to beat someone is no where representative of how good you are...

Yes it does....
If you are way better than someone you won`t use 20+ mins killing them unless you are fooling around or got crippled early or something. Its a reason every C+ or higher ranked players used to have <15 min and most <10min average game length in the D and D+ ranks when iccup still had that kind of stats.
God Hates a Coward
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
February 17 2009 15:59 GMT
#45
Eh maybe after a certain level, but someone in the C's range may still take well over 15 minutes beating a D+ player, just because he may not be as solid in some skills as he may be in others.
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sprawlers
Profile Joined June 2007
Norway439 Posts
February 17 2009 16:04 GMT
#46
On February 18 2009 00:19 MiniRoman wrote:
Eh there are better ways for D- people to get better than getting mass raped on iccup. Ladders tend to promote solo playing especially at low levels like that. It's gonna be hard to find a real iccup team who can bring you under their wing. Much easier to find a team on battle.net with a similiar skill level that you can effectively practice with.


Why would you need a team of other bad players to get better? Playing bad people is just gonna postpone your problems until you get better and start getting raped because you have huge issues with your play that you didn't realize, because you just played the same (bad) people. If improving fast is your goal, playing someone that is way better than you is always preferable to playing someone at your level.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 17 2009 16:16 GMT
#47
On February 18 2009 00:59 Cloud wrote:
Eh maybe after a certain level, but someone in the C's range may still take well over 15 minutes beating a D+ player, just because he may not be as solid in some skills as he may be in others.

Sure if they are not that far apart in skill the games will often last longer, however no C or above player will regularly use 20+ mins to beat D players with <50% winrates. So the time spent to win can give a good indication of skill level. Of course its no exact science, but more often than not they will spend shorter time beating people when the skill gap is big between them.
God Hates a Coward
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 16:30:56
February 17 2009 16:26 GMT
#48
On February 18 2009 01:04 Supah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 00:19 MiniRoman wrote:
Eh there are better ways for D- people to get better than getting mass raped on iccup. Ladders tend to promote solo playing especially at low levels like that. It's gonna be hard to find a real iccup team who can bring you under their wing. Much easier to find a team on battle.net with a similiar skill level that you can effectively practice with.


Why would you need a team of other bad players to get better? Playing bad people is just gonna postpone your problems until you get better and start getting raped because you have huge issues with your play that you didn't realize, because you just played the same (bad) people. If improving fast is your goal, playing someone that is way better than you is always preferable to playing someone at your level.


In a fighting game I'd agree with you but Starcraft is different and it's impossible to overcome a huge skill gap. Games that are totally one sided don't offer too much other than a benchmark to see where you stand compared to good people. Worse macro will lead to imbalanced fights, doesn't let you practice as much as a player closer to your skill level worse. The important thing is to just improve everygame. Replays are everywhere and they act as a textbook for broodwar. Proper application wotn happen vs someone 100x better than you though. Pretty even games with your opponant being just a little better than you should be the best way to improve.

Edit: The better you are the more you would be able to appreciate a difference in skill (a B iccup player would get more out of playing an A+ than a D- would get out of playing a C+) but low levels is brutal. A starting terran could lose to 1 or 2 zealots like 10 games straight. Not very much learned in all those loses =\
Nak Allstar.
1a2a3aGG
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States225 Posts
February 17 2009 16:32 GMT
#49
You played crappy people... Iccup 2;2 skill doesn't raise that dramatically as 1;1 though... I think last season my partner and I went like 20-0 before we lost a game I believe at the C/C+ rank it starts to get harder... depends on you and your partners skill level.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
February 17 2009 16:38 GMT
#50
I'm not that great of a player, but I've never had any trouble getting to C rank 2v2 with my cousin, we could always get there with around 75% winrate. 2v2 up from D -> C is really easy, especially if you're playing pubs because it is really easy to pub game up through C rank and theres a high chance you'll get newb teams and totally own them if you have your own set ally.

Through D -> C it's possible to encounter some very strong teams along the way, some kors who are just starting for example that will give you a few losses, but really until you reach C rank 2v2 ladder is super easy
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
February 17 2009 16:54 GMT
#51
On my smurf account I just played 4 Ds in a row with over 300 apm.

It's all luck who you play at the D level. Actual D level players are bad, yes, but many D players are just people that started a new account or reset their stats, so u gotta watch out.
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FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
February 17 2009 17:21 GMT
#52
Whys everyone bashing the murphy chill would ya.He just saying he thought it was going to be harder thats it.Why do you all have to replay analyze his games and give him shit.Seriously just chill.

I suck ass but still find it very fun to get some games on iccup every so often.

Gl sir .
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ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
February 17 2009 17:35 GMT
#53
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.

Jangbi storms!!!
Breavman
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden598 Posts
February 17 2009 17:42 GMT
#54
On low ranks, people are as bad as they ever were on pgt and other ladders. They play more macro oriented now but they are not better. When you gain some ranks though, it's a different story.
Moff
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom166 Posts
February 17 2009 18:26 GMT
#55
haha, to whoever said why do such bad players even play the ladder, it's BNET lags too much to enjoy and BNET is also full of bm, and at least i know joining a 1:1 D- game they are infact D-, not some 100-10 guy farmining nibs
Quesadilla
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1814 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 18:38:12
February 17 2009 18:36 GMT
#56
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.
Make a lot of friends. Wear good clothes. Drink good beer. Love a nice girl.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5459 Posts
February 17 2009 18:55 GMT
#57
On February 18 2009 02:42 Breavman wrote:
On low ranks, people are as bad as they ever were on pgt and other ladders. They play more macro oriented now but they are not better. When you gain some ranks though, it's a different story.

I feel like the low level ICCUP players are still better than other ladder players.
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PH
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6173 Posts
February 17 2009 19:03 GMT
#58
Hmm, I actually like Python as a 2v2 map. If you're complaining about base numbers...if you look at most maps designed for 2v2, they have just as many, or even less...
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prOxi.Beater
Profile Joined December 2008
Denmark626 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 20:02:53
February 17 2009 20:00 GMT
#59
I like Python as a 2v2 map. I like how it's almost impossible to hold anything beyond your nat unless your team has map control. By forcing players out of their base the game becomes much more dynamic and interesting IMO
Nobody beats the Beater
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
February 17 2009 20:01 GMT
#60
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.


man dont overdo it, no matter what CMs postcount is, this is a stupid blog talking about how izi iccup is, just look at the title. Sounded like a Saddles post
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ProbeFarm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States4 Posts
February 17 2009 20:12 GMT
#61
OP needs to play at least 20 more games before making such retarded assumptions of the iccup ladder as a whole. Come back and post here when you hold a stable C- or even a D+ account and tell us how "E-Z" iccup is then..lol.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 17 2009 20:15 GMT
#62
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.

GGPlay =/= D rank player
It's better to burn out than to fade away
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
February 17 2009 20:16 GMT
#63
This blog wasn't very good. I think people log on to iccup thinking 'pro gamers play here, everybody plays here, it must be gosu' and then all of a sudden they find some roll over oppts.

In days past when I was serious about improving/ladder climbing I would log onto useast and play 1 or 2 play obs games to warm up my hands. The average skill in those games is , from my experience around c-, which to me is your average gamer, D+/C- are starcraft without the hardwork and dedication.

CM, try and play iccup only on map of the week vs people you find in channel with no loses or very few, you'll notice when you can't place your first hat and lose a drone to a probe that there are some good players even at the lower ranks.
cujo2k
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada1044 Posts
February 17 2009 20:28 GMT
#64
On February 18 2009 00:51 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 00:06 b3h47pte wrote:
The amount of time you take to beat someone is no where representative of how good you are...

Yes it does....
If you are way better than someone you won`t use 20+ mins killing them unless you are fooling around or got crippled early or something. Its a reason every C+ or higher ranked players used to have <15 min and most <10min average game length in the D and D+ ranks when iccup still had that kind of stats.


well i do think in general it's true that good players aren't going to take more than 15 mins to beat people who are far below them.. However, I think that the amount of time it takes a person to kill another has a lot to do with style as much as anything else.. Although progamers can pretty much play every single style, so it's no problem for a great player to end games quickly when they get leads.. However, for those of us who mostly just play a safe style when they have the lead, the games may last a bit longer than those who play an aggressive style and invest their $$ in units rather than expansions.
I'm kinda rambling here.. basically I almost always end games before the 15 min mark, but occasionally I'll play a newbie and he'll turtle off of two bases, and I'll wait until I'm maxed out before I attack..
THE ANSWER IS 288
FuDDx *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States5008 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-17 21:00:42
February 17 2009 21:00 GMT
#65
as long as we are ranting about iccup....


I just played 3 games won them all and my second game never registered damnit.(still playing on my TSL-FuDDx account)

Ive never been great with this game just have a great love for it.I am, however improving lately hopefully I can continue to improve.

Even though I am an old fart I have dreams of being a pro one day. Laugh laugh..sc2 old timer pro.

You heard it here first . I will be the oldest pro gamer to date.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
February 17 2009 21:33 GMT
#66
I'm pretty sure the point of D level is that it's fairly easy. Iccup is great because the vast majority of the competitive community can find an appropriate level to practise at.

Is it really easier than other ladders? I've heard the exact opposite; that iccup is much more difficult to advance through than PGTour was and gets a bit more challenging every year. I'm only D+ but I would win 90% of my games if they were against true D/D- players. Games are very inconsistent at that level though- plenty of C level (or higher) players working their way up through most of the season.
nAi.PrOtOsS
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada784 Posts
February 17 2009 21:34 GMT
#67
If I made the same OP, then this thread would have already been locked for flame, from people calling me a dumbass, and a bragger. But GJ on the 5 wins ! also Gaia is like the best map ever.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
February 17 2009 22:03 GMT
#68
On February 18 2009 06:34 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote:
If I made the same OP, then this thread would have already been locked for flame, from people calling me a dumbass, and a bragger. But GJ on the 5 wins ! also Gaia is like the best map ever.


Well I've always thought that both of you were dumbasses.

But don't read too much into it.
No I'm never serious.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 00:18:19
February 17 2009 23:37 GMT
#69
For the record I had no idea these guys would be so bad. I had no idea these guys had negative records, all I see is the points when they join, I don't even know how many games they played. So I took the matches very serious and expected some kind of 1 base do or die drop move or something. So I De'd up and pretty much fully teched out while expanding 2-3 times.

No, I'm not trying to brag or say that iccup is easy. I am just surprised that the skill level was so low on the D ranks. I had no idea. And obviously I haven't played enough games to pass a judgment except for the fact that some players are really really bad.


PS- I don't know how any of you idiots took this as a brag blog, or Iccup is EZ, I'm the best player ever thread. Reading comprehension FTL. And if you read down towards the bottom I actually had some questions to follow up the post like :
When can I expect to see some decent players? I'm currently 1650 points, I assume D+ is 2k, C is 3k, and so on.

..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
food
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1951 Posts
February 18 2009 00:20 GMT
#70
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.



yawn
Can someone ban this guy please? FA?
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
February 18 2009 00:23 GMT
#71
You move up a sign every 1k points, not a letter grade. So C- is 3k C is 4k etc
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
b3h47pte
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States1317 Posts
February 18 2009 00:37 GMT
#72
On February 18 2009 00:51 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 00:06 b3h47pte wrote:
The amount of time you take to beat someone is no where representative of how good you are...

Yes it does....
If you are way better than someone you won`t use 20+ mins killing them unless you are fooling around or got crippled early or something. Its a reason every C+ or higher ranked players used to have <15 min and most <10min average game length in the D and D+ ranks when iccup still had that kind of stats.


Fine. let me rephrase
the amount of time you take to beat someone is not a GOOD representation of how good you are. Beating someone using 2 hatch hydra every game in 9-10 minutes doesn't show skill, just your ability to cheese.

Lol. I got a PM from the original guy calling me a dumbass. Responded with hearts <3333333333333
ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
February 18 2009 01:41 GMT
#73
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.



Hey, how about you get off his dick. Im C+ so I can assume that I would easy CM so you just keep ranting. Congrats on your life "faggot". Find a new word for attempting to degrade me. I am not trying to act tough as you seem to think. Seems like its your time of the month though, go take a chill pill and come back. KK?
Jangbi storms!!!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 02:24:19
February 18 2009 02:22 GMT
#74
On February 18 2009 10:41 ZeeTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.



Hey, how about you get off his dick. Im C+ so I can assume that I would easy CM so you just keep ranting. Congrats on your life "faggot". Find a new word for attempting to degrade me. I am not trying to act tough as you seem to think. Seems like its your time of the month though, go take a chill pill and come back. KK?

you started it asshat, and based on your initial assumptions you are indeed an asshat. Well on your way to Disneyland. Bring some cash, I hear everything is overpriced.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
February 18 2009 04:32 GMT
#75
Hey do you not get bonus points for playing MOTW in 2v2?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
NSANE.hydra
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States644 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 04:34:29
February 18 2009 04:33 GMT
#76
Well to be fair to the people flaming and dissing you, the title of this blog isn't exactly dissuading them from taking this as a bragging, ICCUP SO EZ post.

edit: Yes, you should get bonus points for MOTW in a 2v2.
"fuck mech...I could 4pool and as long as he's simply PLANNING on going mech, I'll lose"
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 18 2009 04:33 GMT
#77
I believe so.
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
February 18 2009 06:04 GMT
#78
On February 18 2009 13:32 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Hey do you not get bonus points for playing MOTW in 2v2?


not if you dont have AH on
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
ZeeTemplar
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States557 Posts
February 18 2009 06:20 GMT
#79
On February 18 2009 11:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 10:41 ZeeTemplar wrote:
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.



Hey, how about you get off his dick. Im C+ so I can assume that I would easy CM so you just keep ranting. Congrats on your life "faggot". Find a new word for attempting to degrade me. I am not trying to act tough as you seem to think. Seems like its your time of the month though, go take a chill pill and come back. KK?

you started it asshat, and based on your initial assumptions you are indeed an asshat. Well on your way to Disneyland. Bring some cash, I hear everything is overpriced.


Ill take it you know from personal experience? Great. Ill be sure to mention it to my 8 year old cousin next time he goes.
Jangbi storms!!!
Roxen000
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
1226 Posts
February 18 2009 07:10 GMT
#80
I took a pretty big break from playing SC a while back and recently came back to iccup. I won my first 9 games and then lost 10 in a row from cheese. GAH.
._.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-18 07:41:32
February 18 2009 07:40 GMT
#81
On February 18 2009 15:20 ZeeTemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2009 11:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On February 18 2009 10:41 ZeeTemplar wrote:
On February 18 2009 03:36 Quesadilla wrote:
On February 18 2009 02:35 ZeeTemplar wrote:
I noticed you played a few players that were 33-58? and so on. Damn, I was I was as cool as you. Don't flame those D- players. Hell it took you 20 minutes to beat them.

Congrats on your wins.

I guess.



Yeah man you are so tough. I bet CM would rape you if you played right now. Gauging from past LAN's, CM is at least C- or more. Do you know a player is 33-58 before you play them? No, you only see their points. Congrats on your faggot life, I guess.

And, 52 post self-righteous gaywad, most D players turtle like a mofo. It took Stork 1.3 HOURS to beat GGPlay. Turtling takes a lot of time to crack. Just shut up dude, trying to act tough here is stupid. Don't bash on TL old-timers either.



Hey, how about you get off his dick. Im C+ so I can assume that I would easy CM so you just keep ranting. Congrats on your life "faggot". Find a new word for attempting to degrade me. I am not trying to act tough as you seem to think. Seems like its your time of the month though, go take a chill pill and come back. KK?

you started it asshat, and based on your initial assumptions you are indeed an asshat. Well on your way to Disneyland. Bring some cash, I hear everything is overpriced.


Ill take it you know from personal experience? Great. Ill be sure to mention it to my 8 year old cousin next time he goes.

Yea I live nearby, the Pocahontas nachos are like 7$ for a little tray iirc, and that was like 10 years ago.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
charliesawanker
Profile Joined February 2009
Ireland6 Posts
February 20 2009 00:57 GMT
#82
I think.......
charlie is a raging wanker.
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
February 20 2009 01:11 GMT
#83
ugh 2v2 is only fun if youre with friend.
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