EPTeg; swapped out Iris for Canata. Even though Iris will likely perform better, Canata can accrue enough points from being on SKT to make up the difference.
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Jyvblamo
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eg; swapped out Iris for Canata. Even though Iris will likely perform better, Canata can accrue enough points from being on SKT to make up the difference. | ||
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Jyvblamo
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On January 15 2009 08:51 FzeroXx wrote: I'm really having trouble with the 3 pointers and 1 pointers. It's hard to decide if I want to go with a 4-2-1 or 3-2-2 or 4-3-0 as my last 3 picks. :[ I went for 7-6-6-5-2-1, since I wanted as many "S-level" players as possible. My 2-1 is Savior, By.Hero. The 4 pointers all seem far worse than the 6-5 pointers. :\ | ||
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Fzero
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ShadowDrgn
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* Try to spread your risk so you aren't screwed if someone slumps, e.g. not Flash AND Luxury AND KTF Be careful not to choose too many successful players in unsuccessful teams. Teams like MBC, eSTRO, and CJ have a lot of good "value" picks, but stocking up on too many players from one of these teams will cut you off from the team win bonus, and especially sucks if you contain the players from a team AND that team. Don't make that mistake. Prepare now! Along the same lines, you need to do this to spread your wins around too. If you have a bunch of players from the same team, they're going to cannibalize each others points. Even if the team as a whole does well, you're going to lose in fantasy to someone who had the best player on the team combined with better players on other teams. It's ok to combine a top player with a value pick on the same team, but having more than two players or having the top 2 from a team will ruin your chances of being first in fantasy (you may still finish highly, but you won't be first). | ||
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Fzero
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Here they are: Team name: Mathcrafted (9)  Bisu(6)  July (Captain)(6)  firebathero(4) UpMagiC(4) ZerO(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs Team name: Big time small time (9) Bisu (Captain)(8) Flash(6) July(4) ZerO(2) Horang2(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs Team name: Surprise victory (9) BeSt (Captain)(6) Sea(6) SangHo(5) free(2) Iris(2) sAviOr(0) KTF MagicNs Team name: Carry me pls (10) Jaedong (Captain)(9) Bisu(8) Flash(1) by.hero(1) GuemChi(1) RuBy(0) KTF MagicNs | ||
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Scorch
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On January 15 2009 18:15 FzeroXx wrote: I thought I'd post some random teams for people to discuss the advantages, disadvantages, what they like and dislike, and the strategy I might have used to come up with them. Here they are: Team name: Mathcrafted (9) Bisu(6) July (Captain)(6) firebathero(4) UpMagiC(4) ZerO(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs I don't like July for 6 Points. You never know when he'll fall into the next slump, although he could unexpectedly win another OSL too. Risky. FBH has very weak TvP and can easily be sniped, but at least he is a good zerg and terran sniper himself. Hwasin has similar traits for 2 points less if you want such a player. Also, I'm not entirely convinced of UpMagic's and ZerO's reliability, and they are both on relatively weak teams for fewer teamwin points. by.hero is a cheap decent zerg on a good team and a great choice for 1 point, although unlikely to be played over Calm or July. Team name: Big time small time (9) Bisu (Captain)(8) Flash(6) July(4) ZerO(2) Horang2(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs July and ZerO again  You probably can't go wrong with Bisu and Flash, and I like Horang2 and by.hero as cheap players. For the record: from among the 4 teams, I like this one best.Team name: Surprise victory (9) BeSt (Captain)(6) Sea(6) SangHo(5) free(2) Iris(2) sAviOr(0) KTF MagicNs I'd take Bisu over Best because Bisu has no weak matchups. One could find arguments for ForGG over Sea because he is on a stronger team. These are only nuances though, Best and Sea both rock. I have no faith in SangHo at all and I would never take him at this hefty price. Free is solid, but I have a gut feeling he can't keep it up for much longer, so I'd possibly take Kal over him. I don't expect much of Iris and especially Savior, who are both slumping players on the same sub-par team and aren't likely to bring in many points. I'd rather take a gamble with young guns who could at least potentially start owning. Team name: Carry me pls (10) Jaedong (Captain)(9) Bisu(8) Flash(1) by.hero(1) GuemChi(1) RuBy(0) KTF MagicNs Jaedong, Bisu AND Flash. Bam! The cheap guys should be solid choices for their prices too (well Guemchi is on Woongjin... meh). The question is whether a more balanced team would be better. How about one top player and three or even four in the 4-7 point range? The solution to many a problem in life is to find a balance, so I'd instinctively go for a less extreme team. Btw nice distribution of two of each race. All teams have KTF, which is the correct choice in my opinion. I expect the score difference between (0)KTF and, say, (5)SKT1 to be smaller than the difference between a 1 cost and a 6 cost player. I also like how all have their top players distributed among several teams. | ||
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d(O.o)a
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Fzero
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On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote: I don't like July for 6 Points. You never know when he'll fall into the next slump, although he could unexpectedly win another OSL too. Risky. FBH has very weak TvP and can easily be sniped, but at least he is a good zerg and terran sniper himself. Hwasin has similar traits for 2 points less if you want such a player. Also, I'm not entirely convinced of UpMagic's and ZerO's reliability, and they are both on relatively weak teams for fewer teamwin points. by.hero is a cheap decent zerg on a good team and a great choice for 1 point, although unlikely to be played over Calm or July. I'll point out my reasoning behind the players here and see if you can follow where I'm going with each one. July was 11-4 in both rounds, 8-1 in Round 2. He was 66%vT 100%vP and 40%vZ. We also know July is one of the players capable of producing a streak, AND he's at the lower end of that spectrum on the points. Using my strategy, he *IS* one point too expensive. Bisu was 15-3 overall, 10-1 in Round 2. His only loss was to Jaedong. He's excellent in all matchups, and is definitely capable of producing an all-kill. FBH went 15-7, 7-3 in Round 2. He's very tough vT and vZ and his vP in proleague is actually 50%. UpMagiC has 100% vZ, but is weak vP. Like the rest of the group, he could do very well or very poorly. ZerO was recently reduced to 4 points, and was 13-10 in proleague so far.. most wins out of that group besides Calm who would split with our last pick, by.hero. Just a shot in the dark at 1 point, but there really are very few other choices in that category. On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote: July and ZerO again You probably can't go wrong with Bisu and Flash, and I like Horang2 and by.hero as cheap players. For the record: from among the 4 teams, I like this one best. Traded UpMagic and FBH for Flash and Horang2. Wanted to see if anyone talked about the difference in points they'd get here. Not much going on the thread though, so I'll just say that I expect Flash to score in the 40-50 range and Horang2 in the 15-25 range while UpMagiC and FBH will probably combine for 45-55 if they do well. This is the difference in picking streak players vs 1 kill wonders. On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote: I'd take Bisu over Best because Bisu has no weak matchups. One could find arguments for ForGG over Sea because he is on a stronger team. These are only nuances though, Best and Sea both rock. I have no faith in SangHo at all and I would never take him at this hefty price. Free is solid, but I have a gut feeling he can't keep it up for much longer, so I'd possibly take Kal over him. I don't expect much of Iris and especially Savior, who are both slumping players on the same sub-par team and aren't likely to bring in many points. I'd rather take a gamble with young guns who could at least potentially start owning. Group 3 I went solely for proleague potential in the manner of saying that every player in this group will play MANY games in 2009. Iris being the possible exception, however.. he is one of the better Terrans on his team with some slightly Terran favored maps. On January 15 2009 22:43 Scorch wrote: Jaedong, Bisu AND Flash. Bam! The cheap guys should be solid choices for their prices too (well Guemchi is on Woongjin... meh). The question is whether a more balanced team would be better. How about one top player and three or even four in the 4-7 point range? The solution to many a problem in life is to find a balance, so I'd instinctively go for a less extreme team. Btw nice distribution of two of each race. All teams have KTF, which is the correct choice in my opinion. I expect the score difference between (0)KTF and, say, (5)SKT1 to be smaller than the difference between a 1 cost and a 6 cost player. I also like how all have their top players distributed among several teams. Big guns and lucky smalls? I'll agree that this strategy is the least risky and yet the most rewarding at the same time. It really hinges on your decisions about the 1-2 point players.. you can't choose a single bad one since your 0 point KTF pick is also weak. You will need 5 (things) on your team scoring decently well to win the league in my opinion. And yes, I did try not to make the mistake in any team of clumping the players from one squad. | ||
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Athos
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1. This kid has started in almost every Woongjin game. 2. He's not that bad 3. He's leading off not once but twice The problem is I have 1 extra point remaining that is being wasted Do I sacrifice stork and get Jangbi instead for added consistency? Idk, there are so many possible options :O | ||
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d_so
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much like how "running back by committee" fucks up the fantasy value of running backs regardless of their skill level, so too do i feel the relative greatness of Samsung and SKT's protoss players will hurt their fantasy value. For example, if there is a protoss favored map, a team like Stars has only one choice (Free) whereas SKT and Samsung have 2. If you're stuck with the other player, you're screwed. I also feel Leta will not do well in Winners league. Reason being is because a majority of his wins have come on three maps : (Neo) Harmony, (Sin) Chupon Reyong, and Rush Hour 3. Also, most of his wins have come against Terrans. In that aspect, I believe Leta's record is a bit inflated in that he's been played on perfect matchups on perfect maps (which a testament to great coaching). But in something like Winner's League where everything is much more randomized, I think versatility will be very important, and whether Leta possesses this trait is doubtful. Plus, he struggles a bit against P, and there's no stopping a Coach from exploiting this relative weakness, especially if he possesses at his wherewithal a dragon. Finally, contrasted to the relative skill level/all-kill potential of Flash, KTFMagicNs is supremely undervalued. Not only do they have the same point value as ACE, which is ludicrous, but as KTF has always depended on Flash, and Flash is the premier Terran in starcraft right now, there is a high chance to score double points if you have both Flash and KTF. 8 points for Flash seems like a good value-- but 8 points for Flash and KTF is an extremely good deal, much like a Tom Brady -- Randy Moss type of combo from fantasy football. | ||
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Scorch
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Team name: No place for Jaedong (9) BeSt(7) JangBi (Captain)(6) fOrGG(5) Kal(2) Horang2(1) by.hero(0) KTF MagicNs My very first thought when I read the rules was that I definitely wanted my favorite player, Jaedong, and Flash, as well as SKT as my team. That turned out to be very expensive and I ended up having to take 0 cost players. So I took KTF in SKT's place to get some more breathing room. I also decided that I'd go with the Bisu/JangBi combo instead because that saves me 2 points and they are on the two teams I expect to do best. Jaedong can be replaced conveniently by his teammate fOrGG, who isn't that much worse, but 4 points cheaper. Now what to do with so many saved points? Buy another strong player of course, Kal for only 5 points. I now have four important players of the four top(?) teams. I don't expect to earn much with the last 3 points, so I might just take some risks with my last money. It has to be two promising young players with lots of potential, and at least one of them has to be zerg. I decide upon Horang2 and HoeJJa.The latest iteration of changes consists of Bisu -> BeSt and HoeJJa -> by.hero. The former because Bisu and BeSt are somewhat equivalent, except + Show Spoiler +I just learned that Bisu kinda sucks and I don't want to risk taking a player who might fall into a slump after such harsh setbacks in the leagues.HoeJJa put up a good fight against Bisu, while by.hero actually beat him, and by.hero has fewer zergs to fight against for a lineup spot (July, Calm) than HoeJJa (Luxury, 815, FireFist, Haran) and can probably leech more teamwin points.So here I stand with four solid players of hopefully successful teams, and two fresh promising players. The greatest weakness is perhaps that I only have one zerg and terran, which could make trading difficult. I'd very much like to replace BeSt with Jaedong, but I just can't find that single point to spare. Any suggestions on this (and other comments of course!) are welcome. | ||
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Carnac
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(7) (P) JangBi (Captain)(6) (T) fOrGG(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(5) (P) Kal(2) (T) iloveoov(10) (Z) Jaedong (Captain)(7) (P) JangBi(6) (T) fOrGG(2) (P) Horang2(3) (P) Pusan(2) (T) iloveoov(7) (P) JangBi (Captain)(8) (T) Flash(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(3) (Z) Luxury(2) (T) iloveoovI'm really struggling when it comes to BeSt and Bisu, I'd love to have one of them on my team (my heart is with SKTT1 and they are both awesome), but with equally high cost, same race, similar strength I kind of fear that they cancel each other out to a certain extent. Same is true with Jangbi & Stork, due to a lesser degree, since they cost less. | ||
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caelym
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On January 16 2009 22:46 Carnac wrote: I'd be curious of what you think of my following possible teams (they all have KTF as team choice): (7) (P) JangBi (Captain)(6) (T) fOrGG(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(5) (P) Kal(2) (T) iloveoov(10) (Z) Jaedong (Captain)(7) (P) JangBi(6) (T) fOrGG(2) (P) Horang2(3) (P) Pusan(2) (T) iloveoov(7) (P) JangBi (Captain)(8) (T) Flash(5) (Z) YellOw[ArnC](5) (P) free(3) (Z) Luxury(2) (T) iloveoovI'm really struggling when it comes to BeSt and Bisu, I'd love to have one of them on my team (my heart is with SKTT1 and they are both awesome), but with equally high cost, same race, similar strength I kind of fear that they cancel each other out to a certain extent. Same is true with Jangbi & Stork, due to a lesser degree, since they cost less. I want to say Best>Bisu and Jangbi>Stork because Best and Jangbi seem more stable. Stork and Bisu, to a lesser extent, drops random games at times (i.e. prone to be sniped). Although when those guy are on their game, nothing could stop them, Best and Jangbi consistently plays at a high level. As for your team, I don't see why you picked iloveoov instead of boxer. Both are in SKT, and both aren't going to win many games... And I also don't see why you chose yarnc over one of the 4 point zergs. He seems to be reaching his plateau right now and could easily slump, whereas the 4 pointer zergs are eager to show their full potential. | ||
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Fzero
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Here are the better 2 point players in my view: Baby (T) FOX - Despite not looking like much of an intimidating player, he'll likely have a breakout sometime soon. In THIS field, he went 2-1 in proleague and 10-10 overall at the start of his career. Need I remind you, he's 14. He's 5-2 against Toss in theYear of the Dragons. Canata OR Midas (T) SKT1 - One of them will play. The problem is, I don't know which. It really surprises me what happened with Midas. A 60% overall career win player on 300 games isn't getting sunlight, at all. Midas was 12-5 from April - July last year, and just .. disappeared. Canata, also - (5-12 since end of July~). Risky here, but pickable at 2 since they could be successful at any time. Horang2 (P) SparkyZ - Easiest pick at 2 in my opinion. Showing to be stepping up to the plate with his latest win over Pusan, he plays on SPARKYZ who have absolutely no toss presence besides maybe splitting time with his friend, Tazza. Iris (T) CJ - Sure fire player, will get you both wins and losses however. 7-5 in proleague so far, most wins from any 2 point player. CJ will need him to play well to do well in winners. Much (P) CJ - Much like Iris (haha..), Much will need to play well for CJ to win. CJ has 6~ starters in my view, 2 of each race. I don't see any of them putting up 15 wins besides maybe EffOrt, but I don't see any of them putting up less than 4 wins.. and my expected value at a 2 point play is 4 wins. Savior (Z) CJ - I think Savior is ready to make good on his promise. Is he going to lead the winner's league in kills? I don't think so personally. I think he's vulnerable in ZvT especially because his control is still a little sloppy. I don't like his chances at any all-kills. I DO like him for 8 wins which is just phenomenal for 2 points. Tempest (P) KTF - Okay, so you're playing KTF.. everyone is. You don't have a toss on KTF besides Tempest to get any games. There isn't a race requirement in Winner's League, but KTF has to play Tempest if they want to be a contender. Tempest is balanced with no weak matchups and I expect around 50% wins from this guy. He's not a genius toss with incredible macro or anything, but he can get the job done. Flash can't lead off, and the maps change order every week. Sending out Luxury first is suicide on many maps, Tempest will be your guy. ---- For the teams? I like your idea to play off Leta, Jaedong, JangBi and Flash's success. It seems like in your mind you've narrowed down those 4 teams to do well. Not a bad choice. Obviously, no contending team can afford Leta unless he's just.. monstrous.. in round 3. Next best thing? Yarnc and Horang. I don't think Yarnc will slump in winners. He won't all-kill, but I like his chances to take out the feeder players and force teams to turn out an ace to finish him. I like Free to play 15 games~, 11-4 would be a great record for him. In my mind your player needs 2X the games as his value, with 1X+1/2value wins along the same line in each round. Anything less than that and you're not going to get fantasy value you need from him. Lets look at Leta for a minute again, 7 point player in Round 2, he got 16 games (2x+2!) and 14 wins (2x!!!!). In Winners league, your top performers will get more games and will need more wins to compete. I wish I knew fOrGG would get a game every match. I'd start him for sure. He's VERY strong. Seeing Lomo play the other night in that 0-3 defeat made me scratch my head, however. HiyA, fOrGG, Jaedong should be Lecaf's top 3 right now. Jangbi should be solid, but I think there are some better picks in the 6 point range that would allow you to upgrade your team a little. I can't promise anything though, because the 4 and 5 and 6 point range is going to make or break everyone's teams. | ||
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