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Supposed to play standard if your opponent is bad? - Page 2

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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 10 2009 12:27 GMT
#21
At B ranks, you rejoice if some korean tries to be cute with an allin. You will have a lot better chance winning that way than vs them playing standard.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
January 10 2009 12:29 GMT
#22
And how do you come up with these ridiculous numbers like 70% of all iccup cheese? It's more like 5% for me.
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
January 10 2009 12:55 GMT
#23
On January 10 2009 21:29 Shauni wrote:
And how do you come up with these ridiculous numbers like 70% of all iccup cheese? It's more like 5% for me.


I've never thought there was a ridiculous amount of all-ins or cheese either. I'm Protoss, so maybe that makes a difference, but I get my fair share from Zerg and I never complain.
quirinus
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Croatia2489 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 13:05:48
January 10 2009 12:58 GMT
#24
He just wanted to get to the next rank as soon as possible, so he cheesed ftw.

You know that feeling when you played 20 games to get to some rank and then you just want to play the last game to get the rank and get the hell out of icc for a xyz days break, bragging about your new rank?

Oh, and try to form your blog as some kind of a conversation starter, rather than just a short statement and question, offer your oppinion on it. Oh, and try to avoid calling others faggots and noobs, express your anger in different ways, like "shit hits the fan", "retribution" and "fluffed".
All candles lit within him, and there was purity. | First auto-promoted BW LP editor.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
January 10 2009 15:17 GMT
#25
On January 10 2009 20:22 IntoTheWow wrote:
Yeah i got 5 pooled a lot.
agu i said i was sorry!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 10 2009 15:19 GMT
#26
On January 10 2009 19:03 MYM.Testie wrote:
This blog
is a newbie blog.
Saying newbie things.
Points don't help dictate the strategy you do.
Stats do.
If you are 12-0 D+ odds are you will play standard vs a guy who is 22-14 D+.

On Iccup
You cannot see
The
Stats of other people
Only their. Points
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
January 10 2009 15:38 GMT
#27
After you get past D+ or so the number of 5 pools drops significantly. (At least it did for me)

I guess the madness is moving into C- now as more ppl get there but I'm not getting cheesed nearly as much. I wish I was though...
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
January 10 2009 16:43 GMT
#28
this sounds interesting i haven't played on sc league for a while i should start playing on iCup :D
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6638 Posts
January 10 2009 16:51 GMT
#29
When playing a bad player you can screw around and do whatever you like, you're supposed to play standard against good players :o
The road to hell is paved with good intentions | aka Probert[PaiN] @ iccup / godlikeparagon @ twitch | my BW stream: http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/jello_biafra
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
January 10 2009 16:54 GMT
#30
Also, you should be able to defend fine if you pull probes. I do 8pylon, 10forge, 12cannon and the 12cannon warps in about three seconds after the lings are at your base. So if you pull seven or eight probes just to keep them busy, you should be fine. I never lose to 4 or 5 pools unless you scout him absolutely last. Then you have no indication to pull probes and you might lose, but that is pretty fucking lucky for him then.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
January 10 2009 16:55 GMT
#31
I'm thinking he 5 pooled because he was ONE win away from C rank and just wanted to get the rank faster :p
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-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 19:08:20
January 10 2009 19:01 GMT
#32
On January 10 2009 19:14 BanZu wrote:
When you're playing to win, nothing matters but winning.


Who plays to win on iccup? Honestly it's not like any of us will get to the top, so what's the point?

I play to improve... that's why I almost NEVER cheese. If I played to win in the short term, I wouldn't get any better and I wouldn't be able to win in real length games. If I play to get better, however, then over time I'll be winning more.

On January 10 2009 20:19 Hypnosis wrote:
learn how to stop a 5 pool maybe?? 8 rax every game or just learn to micro probes. or dont play z?


I'm not a zerg player, and I did stop the 5pool, it just hurt my eco since I lost probably about 4 probes and only had 1 probe mining while holding it off. It just shocked me that he would go noob 5pool, and then go into noob muta rush to continue to go from one all-in anti-noob strat to another.

On January 11 2009 00:38 LuckyFool wrote:
After you get past D+ or so the number of 5 pools drops significantly. (At least it did for me)

I guess the madness is moving into C- now as more ppl get there but I'm not getting cheesed nearly as much. I wish I was though...


I've been past D+ for like 8 months... lol

On January 11 2009 01:54 Salv wrote:
Also, you should be able to defend fine if you pull probes. I do 8pylon, 10forge, 12cannon and the 12cannon warps in about three seconds after the lings are at your base. So if you pull seven or eight probes just to keep them busy, you should be fine. I never lose to 4 or 5 pools unless you scout him absolutely last. Then you have no indication to pull probes and you might lose, but that is pretty fucking lucky for him then.


I did scout last... well last out of three.

And yes, I held it off, obviously, by the fact that I said he transitioned into all-in muta
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
January 10 2009 19:26 GMT
#33
On January 11 2009 04:01 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:14 BanZu wrote:
When you're playing to win, nothing matters but winning.


Who plays to win on iccup? Honestly it's not like any of us will get to the top, so what's the point?

I play to improve... that's why I almost NEVER cheese. If I played to win in the short term, I wouldn't get any better and I wouldn't be able to win in real length games. If I play to get better, however, then over time I'll be winning more.

A lot of people play to win. That's just the reality of it, don't try to deny it. Maybe you should focus on winning a game like this next time... cause when I get cheesed, I think "good for him, he got a cheap win, but I should get better at defending against this if it happens again"
blabberrrrr
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
January 10 2009 19:35 GMT
#34
I've been trying out different races because I got bored of playing only zerg for the past several years, and I find it absolutely excruciating to deal with cheeses of any kind when I'm Terran.

With Zerg I've gotten so used to dealing with cheese that I actually like it when the opponent cheeses me, but getting my gas stolen, manner pylon'ed and etc. fucking blows as a Terran.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 10 2009 23:25 GMT
#35
On January 11 2009 04:01 -orb- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 19:14 BanZu wrote:
When you're playing to win, nothing matters but winning.


Who plays to win on iccup? Honestly it's not like any of us will get to the top, so what's the point?

I play to improve... that's why I almost NEVER cheese. If I played to win in the short term, I wouldn't get any better and I wouldn't be able to win in real length games. If I play to get better, however, then over time I'll be winning more.P

I'm just saying, some people play SC for the single purpose of beating others.

I never cheese or go for any rushes either. My friend on the other-hand is a noob so he does that literally 100% of the time now. Pisses me off.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
January 12 2009 22:40 GMT
#36
I just played some noob, he went like 3 gates and just made zealots on ride of valk, after I scouted this I cancelled my factory and was gonna go for bio. For some reason my marines couldn't attack thte zealots even though they were right in front of them in my wall and he broke it down, gg
GrayArea
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States872 Posts
January 12 2009 22:45 GMT
#37
If I'm better than my opponent, I just cheese him or try to win as fast as I can so that I don't waste my time.
Kang Min Fighting!
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
January 13 2009 00:05 GMT
#38
On January 13 2009 07:40 il0seonpurpose wrote:
I just played some noob, he went like 3 gates and just made zealots on ride of valk, after I scouted this I cancelled my factory and was gonna go for bio. For some reason my marines couldn't attack thte zealots even though they were right in front of them in my wall and he broke it down, gg


I hate when weird shit like that happens. Like for example, on python, at the 6 o clock base, try landing reavers to the left of the minerals to shoot the probes. Very often the reavers do not shoot. They shoot more often if you target fire, but if you a-move them or let them sit they do nothing like retards, even though they're definitely in range. Sometimes it doesn't work even when target firing... it's the most bullshit thing ever.
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
HeadBangaa
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6512 Posts
January 13 2009 02:27 GMT
#39
It's true what other posters have said, people on ICCUP play for the win. And gaying out with fast pool or DT or proxy is the quickest way.

The best you can do is scout early and play safe. You scouted him at 3rd spot, that's just bad luck right there! If you play consistently, statistics is on your side. 4/5-pooling is not reliable.
People who fail to distinguish Socratic Method from malicious trolling are sadly stupid and not worth a response.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 13 2009 02:30 GMT
#40
On January 13 2009 07:45 GrayArea wrote:
If I'm better than my opponent, I just cheese him or try to win as fast as I can so that I don't waste my time.

I'd understand it being a waste of time if the opponent is an uber noob because it wouldn't be fun at all playing standard. But if you're talking about higher level gaming I think it's stupid to play just to win. If it's such a waste of time to play standard, find someone better to play instead of pissing off someone and ruining their day (or their next few minutes).
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
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