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Supposed to play standard if your opponent is bad?

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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
January 10 2009 09:24 GMT
#1
Um... I thought the general gist of things was that if you are better than your opponent, you can play standard and win, but if you are worse, that's the time to cheese as you need it to be able to win.

This 3995 C- (so damn close to C) zerg just 5 pooled me... and my ranking was 3070. What the fuck? Why? He then transitioned into all-in muta of course like the faggot he is...

He probably 5pools every single game to get to C... what a noob.

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'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 10 2009 09:26 GMT
#2
remember this, its iccup. expect a shit ton of cheese. yeah, you get fucking jokes about protoss 1a2a3a, wtf do zerg do? yeah they fucking ctrl+A and 1a2a3a too, or 5pool. fucking zerg.
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
January 10 2009 09:33 GMT
#3
a ranking of 3070 is up for interpretation, for all you know he might think you were much higher ranked in previous seasons.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5533 Posts
January 10 2009 09:36 GMT
#4
whats ctrl+a do?
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
freelander
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Hungary4707 Posts
January 10 2009 09:44 GMT
#5
not really.. if you are better then you can do anything you want

remember when bisu proxy 2 gated into the opponent's mineral line?
And all is illuminated.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
January 10 2009 09:46 GMT
#6
Well if you're playing someone you think is weak, a 5pool can earn you an easy win or huge lead early on. Also at the lower ranks you gain more points for a win than you lose for a loss, so there's more incentive to play a larger amount of short games.
No I'm never serious.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
January 10 2009 09:49 GMT
#7
Julyzerg 5 pooled. =O
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
January 10 2009 09:56 GMT
#8
if you join or get people joining your game its pretty much no way to tell if they are good or bad unless you know them from before. And playing standard games on ranks below your "real" level is pretty much what I do all the time, even using more safe builds than I normally would.

A little sort of "trick" iv picked up however for determining if people are good in the low ranks is that if people have even numbers of points in the D to C- ranks they are more often good players than people with odd points like 2873. This is since good people who play their own rank usually wins alot and dont get odd numbers from losing 75 pointers at C- ect. This is of course no rule since good people can end up playing D vs D+ games ect, but more often than not when I play good people (good stats atleast) in the low ranks they have even numbers.
God Hates a Coward
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 10:03:22
January 10 2009 10:03 GMT
#9
This blog
is a newbie blog.
Saying newbie things.
Points don't help dictate the strategy you do.
Stats do.
If you are 12-0 D+ odds are you will play standard vs a guy who is 22-14 D+.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
January 10 2009 10:14 GMT
#10
When you're playing to win, nothing matters but winning.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
January 10 2009 10:27 GMT
#11
well , when i was C i played a C+ zerg player and he 5 pooled me.
i almost managed to win, but i allowed him to catch me off guard with lings...
my point is, every1 cheeses sometimes.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
January 10 2009 10:32 GMT
#12
On January 10 2009 18:44 freelander wrote:
not really.. if you are better then you can do anything you want

remember when bisu proxy 2 gated into the opponent's mineral line?

wasn't that stork? (against BeSt)
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
January 10 2009 10:39 GMT
#13
Personally I throw in cheese and allin builds when I feel like it and not dictated by the opponent. But there are always people that 5pool all their games on a ladder and if they get A with that then that is that. Nothing you can do about it.
Your reasoning might come in to play in a clanwar. If I faced a much better player and needed to win I might resort to cheese. A ladder game is more "meh".
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 10 2009 10:49 GMT
#14
On January 10 2009 19:32 o3.power91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2009 18:44 freelander wrote:
not really.. if you are better then you can do anything you want

remember when bisu proxy 2 gated into the opponent's mineral line?

wasn't that stork? (against BeSt)


No that was (P)Bisu vs (P)PokJu on Peaks of Baekdu
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/2893_Bisu_vs_PokJu/vod
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
January 10 2009 11:00 GMT
#15
On January 10 2009 18:36 jimminy_kriket wrote:
whats ctrl+a do?

you know what i meant!

ctrl + select unit and just mass selection. DAMN MACRO NEWBIE ZERG.
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-10 11:10:54
January 10 2009 11:10 GMT
#16
icc is a ladder. in ladders people tend to do ANYTHING to win. especially at lower ranks. standard rule says when you pass c+ you get to more standard plays. which requires you being over c+ skill. if you are not you simply should not play icc, thats my thought on it. im at c+ skill i'd say and i dont like icc at all because i simply cant pass it when playing standard and i dont like to cheese because i play for fun.

so if you wanna play for fun you'd better get some good team and play games with your mates.
Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
January 10 2009 11:19 GMT
#17
learn how to stop a 5 pool maybe?? 8 rax every game or just learn to micro probes. or dont play z?
Science without religion is lame, Religion without science is blind
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32278 Posts
January 10 2009 11:22 GMT
#18
Yeah i got 5 pooled a lot. And proxy gated a load more of times. Literally 90% of my games against P as random were Proxy gates or DT rushes (with army suicide against my expo turret for extra gayness).

It sucks because iccup is the place most people use to practice. I know one should be able to defend against "anything" if you are better, but when 75%+ of the games you play are some sort of all in it kind of losses its purpose (im not even kidding about the proxy and dt rushes).
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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
January 10 2009 11:48 GMT
#19
Think of it as an opportunity to practice & learn versus a strategy that you evidently can't defend.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
January 10 2009 12:11 GMT
#20
On January 10 2009 20:48 Salv wrote:
Think of it as an opportunity to practice & learn versus a strategy that you evidently can't defend.


This. If you'd won you wouldn't have written this blog.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
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